The full USADA report on Alberto Salazar has been leaked - Here it is

Well I'll be buggered, Slippery Sal and his athletes, Nike, Dr Brown, etc, etc have been operating in the very, very dark grey area, who'd have thought it?

i can't with this ridiculous comment. they played fast and loose with the health of athletes, lied on medical records, and broke us law when it comes to dolling out prescription drugs. Salazar should face a penalty for this.

vaoei wrote:

A list of people we need to hear from by the end of the week:

The Gouchers

Any NOP athlete competing at Pre

Galen Rupp

Alberto Salazar

Ritz

Pete Julian

Magness--although he's been really open about everything, so maybe not so much Magness.

Add Jordan Hasay to this list. Her 2:23 marathon debut stinks to high heaven. In the span of less than a year Jordan went from also ran to world beater, with marathon and half marathon times so far off the curve of anything else she had ever accomplished.

Hard to say when she fell into the shady regions of the NOP system, but she is fully immersed at this point.

Yawn. Until I see a report that implicates FARAH as a definite doper, I don't really care. HE is the REAL world-beater. No one else. And his transformation was greater than all the others at NOP. At least Galen, Shannon, Centro, Ritz, etc. had well-established talent. Mo was less and turned into someone with more medals than Geb. Yet he seems grossly under-mentioned in this report. I'm more outraged by this than anything else.

Everyone is missing an important point here. It looks like every top US runner is on thyroid.

Not really surprised that Wetmore has been on the thyroid for a long time, you just have to look at Simpson and Coburn in Rio to see what's up.

Join the club, bro wrote:

dsrunner wrote:

Alberto is closer to the worst of the worst in the sport.

He is exactly what we want to get rid of to save this sport.

Please don't insist he is the norm. Reminds me of the Nike Armstrong story where the fallback excuse was yes, but everybody is doing it.

No, everybody isn't doing it.

How do you know what everyone else is up to? After all, Adam G's emails suggest that Alberto learned about Dr. Brown from Wetmore.

I know this is old news, but I it still seems surprising, even a little shocking.

This is what got me the most out of all of this. Adam Goucher went to Dr. Brown. Solinsky went to Dr. Brown. Hall went to Dr. Brown. Was there anyone good who WASN'T going to him???

SkyRunner.FlagstaffRunnerTeamâ„¢ wrote:

Did you see this part???

From USADA - "Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin cocktails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons.

"This medical practice is PROHIBITED at all times without prior TUE approval."

(NONE of the NOP athletes had a TUE for the IV L-carnitine infusions. Alberto told the athletes to keep the IV infusions secret. There is no information in the medical records of any of the 5 athletes to indicate the quantity of L-carnitine given in the IV infusions either in terms of total amount of L-carnitine or by the concentration of the infusion (mg of L-carnitine/mL).

This part I want to focus on if someone with knowledge wants to weigh in.

Is this just editorializing by the USADA here?

They way I understood it, infusions are legal as long as they aren't

1) a banned substance

2) over 50mL

Are there additional restrictions that I'm missing? Is there actually a de facto no-needle rule without a TUE, because that seems to be what the USADA is implying with "... PROHIBITED ..."

If so, I was unaware of this completely.

Right, so you can call K Goucher an attention whore again?!This is private info, these people owe you nothing.

vaoei wrote:

A list of people we need to hear from by the end of the week:

The Gouchers

Any NOP athlete competing at Pre

Galen Rupp

Alberto Salazar

Ritz

Pete Julian

Magness--although he's been really open about everything, so maybe not so much Magness.

I don't think Kara is attention hungry. I have always believed she did the right thing by speaking out in the first place.

And I think they absolutely do owe the whole running community explanations, since it appears that many of them violated anti doping rules --although some may have done so unknowingly. The report still has many holes in it. These runners have been competing for a while, and owe their competitors at the very least, and also fans who supported them the full story.

I think it would help to get answers about how the Gouchers came to know Jeffrey Brown and what their relationship was like with him before he was introduced to Salazar. That might provide some context for what came next. It may also help for them to provide the ways that their relationship with Dr. Brown changed or did not change over the course of that time. To be clear i'm not accusing the Gouchers of anything. I just think it would help if we knew more about this because it was an odd sidenote that they introduced Salazar to Brown and needs more explaining.

To add to that, it may be prudent for the Gouchers to tell their side of the story on this one before Salazar gets to release his side--because we know how thorough he can be with his statements.

Cytomelist wrote:

Everyone is missing an important point here. It looks like every top US runner is on thyroid.

It does make you wonder why so many athletes are on them. In my humble opinion, I think it's too much and dangerous to manipulate an athlete's body chemistry to gain an advantage in a sport. Unfortunately, pro running is only a very small percentage, like others have said....if we were flies on the wall of MLB, NBA, NFL, PGA, Pro Tennis, Pro Soccer, etc, this topic of pro running allegations looks like chump change. On the other hand, it might take us small, "off the radar",running sport to educate others how the business of any paid sport is run.

Bottom line, I truly feel bad for athletes who had no idea what they were getting into. Kinda like stars and their agents. They do what they are told if they want to be successful. Not saying it's right to break rules and like the success of it but I would think if you have family i.e. Kids, you might want to "get out"or protect a situation that could have detrimental effect on them especially if it goes public.

most of the world wrote:

Yawn. Until I see a report that implicates FARAH as a definite doper, I don't really care. HE is the REAL world-beater. No one else. And his transformation was greater than all the others at NOP. At least Galen, Shannon, Centro, Ritz, etc. had well-established talent. Mo was less and turned into someone with more medals than Geb. Yet he seems grossly under-mentioned in this report. I'm more outraged by this than anything else.

You do realize that Farah had run 12:57.94 before joining the NOP?

So he was better and more accomplished than Ritz and Rupp.

I agree fully with Debutante that we need ideally to hear from Salazar, Rupp, Ritz, the Gouchers, Magness, and several other people very soon on this whole affair.

I have stated in every post here and elsewhere I've made on this topic how much I like and admire Galen Rupp, and also that I admire Coach Salazar. I'm also a very loyal Nike customer. Aside from a few things for soccer, all my sports-related wardrobe is Nike and that's track, soccer, and basketball. I send thousands on Nike every year and like their gear. However, as a coach I cannot turn a blind eye to how very suspect information on Salazar and his athletes keeps being unearthed.

Had Magness or the Gouchers simply had wild-eyed allegations, fine. But the BBC/ProPublica report was very thorough—as much as possible given the lack of cooperation from NOP and Nike. Then, you have the current leaked report as well. I've read the whole report now and I find it while not absolutely conclusive, a very good work of consummate research and asks the right questions. I should add outside of being a coach I'm also a journalist and in college worked for four years as a medical research lab tech working on clinical drug approval trial. So, when I read something like this, I can with fairly good confidence discern if the research is at least being approached as an appropriate investigation and it seems it is.

Why would you send multiple athletes to an endocrinologist out of state when their basic labs and presumably their regular GP's reports would not indicate the need for an endocrinologist? Why would you work with complex and very probably banned infusions unless you felt these would produce a competitive advantage? I mean, if there WAS a valid therapeutic need for the infusions, why not get a TUE?

I do not compete at the level of Rupp or Ritz myself but every time I go to see any doctor, I have already printed out the TUE forms in case I am Rx'd anything and we need to talk about the TUE procedure. I do not see how anyone who is coaching world-class athletes would 1) go around this 2) tell the athletes something is kosher when upon review, it is clear at best things are very murky, 3) allow or encourage athlete medical records to be manipulated and also not share those records with the athletes in their complete form, 4) make medical decisions for athletes when the coach is not a physician, 5) solicit the help of one doctor who is out of state for almost all athletes. Does it not seem very suspect? If I was seeing anything like this—even remotely like this—taking place at an NCAA institution I cannot even tell you how panicked I would be. And I'm pretty sure a very high-level review of that coach's actions would be commenced. I don't see Nike having done this, or at least they won't speak about it, and it seems NOP went along on Coach Salazar's whims for quite some time.

Epstein's ProPublic reporting was quality, but had many gaps due to lack of cooperation. We had to take Magness et al at their word, which I was willing to do, but many would not. Now, we have an investigation with some very alarming findings. I just don't think we can try to explain it away so easily.

how about that wrote:

Nice to see LetsRun taking a journalistic approach on this, summarizing facts and putting them in thoughtful context, versus their previous fox news approach of lynch-mob outrage and name calling.

I'm honestly surprised. Keep it up LetsRun.

Bottom line is eventually someone will have to take the fall for this scandal. Who do you think it will be? My bet is Nike will give Salazar the boot just like they did with Lance.

Salazar is the only logical fall guy, and probably the deserving one, too. He's the head coach and seems he runs NOP as he desires with little oversight from Nike aside from product issues.

Yes, Nike could well say "so seems Salazar ran things dirty over there, we were clueless!" and let him go. Of course, I know they're not clueless, but they could take that route if the heat is too intense. Dismissing Rupp or any other athlete won't clear up the origins of this mess.

rojo wrote:

most of the world wrote:

Yawn. Until I see a report that implicates FARAH as a definite doper, I don't really care. HE is the REAL world-beater. No one else. And his transformation was greater than all the others at NOP. At least Galen, Shannon, Centro, Ritz, etc. had well-established talent. Mo was less and turned into someone with more medals than Geb. Yet he seems grossly under-mentioned in this report. I'm more outraged by this than anything else.

You do realize that Farah had run 12:57.94 before joining the NOP?

So he was better and more accomplished than Ritz and Rupp.

Maybe, but this isn't a zero-sum contest in which there could only have been a certain amount of total cheating in play, and that if, say, Rupp and Centro improved by unlikely amount X, then Farah could only have juiced by Y.

Also, noting that Farah had a solid PR in the 5,000m before he joined the NOP doesn't establish much because 1) he was significantly older and more experienced than others in the program, and 2) he may have had more talent to begin with.

If you're going to make judgments on the basis of times on the track, I would think you would be, and are, pretty wowed by the fact that Farah was older when he ran 3:28.81 (a 5.17-second PR) than El Guerrouj was when the Moroccan retired. By itself, this is, cynical as it sounds, good reason to be suspicious. In the context of a coach who has admitted to using PEDs in his runner career and who has been hounded for years by allegations of cheating by his very own athletes. and uses as his favorite doctor a doctor who clearly alters medical records, the whole thing is practically a joke.

A Florida Coach wrote:

Salazar is the only logical fall guy, and probably the deserving one, too. He's the head coach and seems he runs NOP as he desires with little oversight from Nike aside from product issues.

Salazar owns the Oregon Project. It is his invention. It is branded as the Nike Oregon Project through an agreement with Nike.

This is exactly what I was thinking. To say farah was of lesser talent is just ignorant. I remember reading/watching an interview a long time ago when he joined that talked about how Mo had never seriously strength trained in supplementation to his running before joining NOP. Take a 12:57 guy and make him 2x stronger in the gym, of course they're going to be able to close faster than they ever have before and at that level that means winning races.

rojo wrote:

most of the world wrote:

Yawn. Until I see a report that implicates FARAH as a definite doper, I don't really care. HE is the REAL world-beater. No one else. And his transformation was greater than all the others at NOP. At least Galen, Shannon, Centro, Ritz, etc. had well-established talent. Mo was less and turned into someone with more medals than Geb. Yet he seems grossly under-mentioned in this report. I'm more outraged by this than anything else.

You do realize that Farah had run 12:57.94 before joining the NOP?

So he was better and more accomplished than Ritz and Rupp.

In which case, Nike can pull their sponsorship and then leave Salazar to his own devices, so to speak.