CENTRO!!!!! CENTRO!!! CENTRO!!!!!!

10/10 Laredo confirmed for god troll.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

well, both the original accusation and now your scenario are both incredibly speculative.

I think anybody who saw my posts on armstrong wouldn't accuse me of wanting to defend anybody "at any and all costs"

USADA could be claiming a positive under the biological passport. that is process that has been upheld by CAS.

anyway, I can't really comment intelligently any further (if I ever could) in the absence of any facts.

Not speculative, the idea is based on what happened to Armstrong.

I do not think this is a biological passport case. Remember that biological passport is a recent invention. Process are not static and new methods are being tried out by the USADA.

"anyway, I can't really comment intelligently any further (if I ever could) in the absence of any facts."

Facts don't exist for most cases. A positive A test with a negative B test result never see the light of day.

And once again you do not grasp the point I made. Hint, it is not about Centro, NOP or Nike. It is about USADA and any new and never-before-used conviction processes, they want to use to grab some big athletic fish.

PS. Please stop responding to my posts. They are upsetting you, and you are not providing anything useful regarding overreaching by the USADA.

newname wrote:

In terms of grammar errors and spelling errors (they are not typos) I think it would not cost that much to ask people when you hire them, "Are you a good speller? Can you write?" Or you could hire only people who could demonstrate spelling and grammar skills through a writing sample. I know you won't actually consider these tests which are fundamental at a normal interview, but that is a lame excuse.

Writing is, after all, what they are doing on here. They are not web programmers. Or if you believe that it would slow things down too much (as you say) just don't write anything yourselves. Just put links to other people's writing.

Give it a rest already, no one cares. Go back to your perfectly spell-checked blog that no one reads.

Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:

Seems like Centro dodged a bullet. Everyone in the sport recognizes he's dirty. Maybe this will spook him for a bit and he'll return to being a 3:38 guy.

Didnt centro run 3:36 as a sophomore?

" anything useful regarding overreaching by the USADA."

Can you explain how the new process works, and why it is

overreaching?

Is it based on science, or is it some type of bafflegab

bullshite?

The human body is a dynamic system that might exhibit

abnormalities generated by disease, diet, radical training,

stress, etc. How do we know that the biological passport

isn't bullshite?

Whoah! I never made that conclusion. Don't put words in my mouth. I just said it would be interesting to see if more dropouts now than usual!

BTw for a comparison between in comp and out of comp, read "the secret race" by Tyler Hamilton.

Your idea about testing all the drop outs is great!

There once was... wrote:

The USADA has already bullied out a claim of guilt from Armstrong. They want to bully something out of NOP, and they picked on one of the top athletes to get answers to "questions" they have about the program. Whether NOP, or another program, the USADA seems set on using arm-stronging tactics to get new positive results. Athletes need to work together to put a retighten the reign on the USADA. Otherwise, a lot of athletes will be accused of positive results based on very questionable conclusions made by the USADA.

Are you a troll? Do you not think Armstrong was doping?

Armstrong was dirty. I hope they did what they did to him to others.

For sure they should test the drop outs. Just think of the Pan Am games in the 80s when they introduced drug testing at the last second. A slew of athletes dropped out... Cain should be tested for sure. Sooner rather than later...

If she's clean, she will welcome it...

wow - this thread must have magical powers 'cause I posted once in [what is now] the middle of it and got a pretty darn interesting and surprising off-board response a few hours later.

So...I'll try again. Who actually said what to whom to get this rumor started?

Could it be true? sure. Any doping rumor could be true. But we're 400+ posts into this thread and I still have 0 idea what got this particular doping rumor started. [and it wasn't Centro skipping indoors, 'cause that announcement came months ago and this rumor doesn't seem to have gotten rolling until last week.]

fred wrote:

" anything useful regarding overreaching by the USADA."

Can you explain how the new process works, and why it is

overreaching?

Armstrong was taken down primarily by his teammates. Each teammate was grilled by the USADA until they gave up Armstrong. Testing was not the method used in this case.

Overreaching is bullying. Take for example that the USADA uses iffy techniques to catch someone at a major program. That someone is then called into the USADA offices and grilled by special attorneys to provide answers. If that someone cracks under the pressure they could implicate teammates who have never tested positive. This approach was good enough for the USADA to convict Armstrong. It is not a testing process, it is a lawyering process.

armstrong clean? wrote:

Are you a troll? Do you not think Armstrong was doping?

Armstrong was dirty. I hope they did what they did to him to others.

Don't be a troll. I am not a supporter of Armstrong.

dkny64 wrote:

wow - this thread must have magical powers 'cause I posted once in [what is now] the middle of it and got a pretty darn interesting and surprising off-board response a few hours later.

So...I'll try again. Who actually said what to whom to get this rumor started?

Could it be true? sure. Any doping rumor could be true. But we're 400+ posts into this thread and I still have 0 idea what got this particular doping rumor started. [and it wasn't Centro skipping indoors, 'cause that announcement came months ago and this rumor doesn't seem to have gotten rolling until last week.]

Basically it seems that there were a lot of rumours about a Centro positive the last week among insiders. (Wejo confirmed this.) As a result, someone put up this thread and a handful of people who had heard it before added extra fuel.

Wejo, your logic is questionable at best. I 100% agree with the quoted post.

thing is.... wrote:

The thing is that he hasn't SPECIFICALLY replied to anything. This, coupled with actual rumors that you heard earlier last week, still leaves enough doubt that something is up... and this thread is actual decent evidence for now (perhaps why certain people want it deleted?)

People say he's not running because he failed a test. He says he did not miss any races because of a failed test. Is it just the specific wording of the denial you don't like? When he says he categorically denies the ugly rumors, what rumors do you think he's referring to?

canspo wrote: When he says he categorically denies the ugly rumors, what rumors do you think he's referring to?

It could mean he is challenging the test results, and he has high confidence that he will win the challenge. This makes a lot of sense to me, especially if the USADA's accusation is based on something other than actual test results. Centro rightfully is standing his ground.

There once was...wrote, in part:

Facts don't exist for most cases. A positive A test with a negative B test result never see the light of day.

If that is true, how do we know about Lagat's A sample testing positive and his B sample testing negative?

This whole thread amounts to there "SEEM" to be a lot of rumors amoung "insiders" and WeJo confirmed this seeming??? If someone has some kind of actual evidence - or at least a strong, specific quote, great; otherwise, this thread is just lame.

SlowFatMaster wrote:

There once was...wrote, in part:

Facts don't exist for most cases. A positive A test with a negative B test result never see the light of day.

If that is true, how do we know about Lagat's A sample testing positive and his B sample testing negative?

Because someone leaked the results and he sued them?

I really don't like what's going down here. So here is the sequence of events:

1. Wejo states that rumors of a positive drug test were circulating around the middle of last week

2. A post occurs on Saturday on LRC in line with the off-line rumors, so its not a troll

3. LRC message boards erupt in activity fueling the rumor

4. Hack "journalist" Jon Gugala tweets about the story based on the LRC message boards

5. Nick Symmonds and Kara Goucher's sister favorite the tweet - LRC trolls are giddy

6. LRC says it is giving latitude on discussions of allegations of doping of athletes for the good of cleaning up the sport, and that its ok in order to illicit a response from the athlete. (note: this is the exact definition of trolling - except hiding behind "journalism" - making inflammatory statements to get a response).

7. Centro denies the rumors categorically

8. FloTrack prints story of Centro's denial of rumors, citing LRC message board as the source of the rumor

9. LRC, after hearing from Centro's agent denying the rumor and asking for the thread to be removed, labels the accusations as "false rumors".

10. The thread is still active.

Did I miss anything ?