Does Dickinson's domination of Haverford show that they are a legit threat to stand on the podium?
Does Dickinson's domination of Haverford show that they are a legit threat to stand on the podium?
Any chance of a new record below 32 points? Is that the lowest in all of NCAA or just DIII?
Also how are all of wisconsins campuses good there can't be that big of a recruiting pool in wisconson
Domination? wrote:
Also how are all of wisconsins campuses good there can't be that big of a recruiting pool in wisconson
Lack of good scholarship schools. Very few Wisconsin runners are good enough to run at Madison; Milwaukee, Marquette and Green Bay are not very good for D1, UW-Parkside is the only D2 school where I'm sure many kids could go but do not for some reason, so that leaves the D3 schools that have traditionally good programs.
Is North Central a top 30 team in DI? Maybe not, but they did beat DII #4 Grand Valley St at Notre Dame. That's impressive.
As for the question of whether Lacross can run with them. I think they're closer than people realize. One can never compare between meets, but if you look at how NCC matched up to Point and Whitewater at Oshkosh, it's not head and shoulders more impressive than what Lacrosse did to those teams at WIAC.
Finally, this North Central team is good, but in my opinion, it's not Mayer, Weigel, Dickerson, Henz, Brill good (the 32 point team).
What happens after you leave/quit the Keene State team?
4024 3595 119 19939 KEVIN KELLEHER 23M ACS NY USA 03:24:59 00:25:28 00:48:34 01:11:20 01:33:54 01:39:04 01:57:23 02:20:52 02:46:11 03:14:01 07:50
mendel wrote:
Is North Central a top 30 team in DI? Maybe not, but they did beat DII #4 Grand Valley St at Notre Dame. That's impressive.
As for the question of whether Lacross can run with them. I think they're closer than people realize. One can never compare between meets, but if you look at how NCC matched up to Point and Whitewater at Oshkosh, it's not head and shoulders more impressive than what Lacrosse did to those teams at WIAC.
Finally, this North Central team is good, but in my opinion, it's not Mayer, Weigel, Dickerson, Henz, Brill good (the 32 point team).
I think it's going to be a bigger blow out than people realize. NCC has raced SP twice putting 3 in front of Heroux the first time and 5 the second time. at the WIAC meet, Heroux was in front of LAX's #2. Any thing could happen at regionals and nationals, but it's a good bet that NCC will put 3-5 runners in front of LAX's #2. It's tougher to say where NCC's #7 will end up, but if the Oshkosh meet is a good indication, it'll probably be in front of LAX's #4.
After Cortland's loss at the SUNYAC meet, it's a good bet that LAX will be ranked second. The #1 team beating the #2 by that much is a pretty solid blow out.
oh keene wrote:
What happens after you leave/quit the Keene State team?
4024 3595 119 19939 KEVIN KELLEHER 23M ACS NY USA 03:24:59 00:25:28 00:48:34 01:11:20 01:33:54 01:39:04 01:57:23 02:20:52 02:46:11 03:14:01 07:50
Right. Cause half the kids on Keene don't get injured or suck halfway through the season anyway.
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mendel wrote:Is North Central a top 30 team in DI? Maybe not, but they did beat DII #4 Grand Valley St at Notre Dame. That's impressive.
As for the question of whether Lacross can run with them. I think they're closer than people realize. One can never compare between meets, but if you look at how NCC matched up to Point and Whitewater at Oshkosh, it's not head and shoulders more impressive than what Lacrosse did to those teams at WIAC.
Finally, this North Central team is good, but in my opinion, it's not Mayer, Weigel, Dickerson, Henz, Brill good (the 32 point team).
I think it's going to be a bigger blow out than people realize. NCC has raced SP twice putting 3 in front of Heroux the first time and 5 the second time. at the WIAC meet, Heroux was in front of LAX's #2. Any thing could happen at regionals and nationals, but it's a good bet that NCC will put 3-5 runners in front of LAX's #2. It's tougher to say where NCC's #7 will end up, but if the Oshkosh meet is a good indication, it'll probably be in front of LAX's #4.
After Cortland's loss at the SUNYAC meet, it's a good bet that LAX will be ranked second. The #1 team beating the #2 by that much is a pretty solid blow out.
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For entertainment value only, let's look at NCC vs. Point and Whitewater at Brooks.
1. NCC1 24:25
2. NCC2 -:01
3. NCC3 -:04
4. NCC4 -:12
5. NCC5 -:15
6. Pt1 -:16
7. NCC6 - :16
8. NCC7 - :16
9. Whitewater1 -:29
10. Whitewater2 -:33
11. Pt2 -:33
12. Pt3 -:36
13. Pt4 -:39
14. Pt5 -:43
15. Whitewater3 -:48
16. Pt6 -:48
17. Pt7 -:55
18. Whitewater4 -:59
19. Whitewater5 -:80
Let's now look at WIAC
1. Lacrosse1 25:29
2. Pt1 -:18
3. Lacrosse2-:22
4. Lacrosse3 -:25
5. Whitewater1 -:27
6. Lacrosse4 -:31
7. Lacrosse5 -:34
8. Pt2 -:36
9. Pt3 -:39
10. Pt4 -:45
11. Lacrosse6 -:46
12. Whitewater2 -:48
13. Whitewater3 -:49
14. Lacrosse7 -:53
15. Pt5 -:59
16. Whitewater4 -:60
17. Pt6 -:69
18. Whitewater5 -72
First, this analysis obviously means nothing. Races are decided on the course.
Second, this analysis obviously favors North Central, who put 5 ahead of Point's 1 and 7 ahead of Whitewater's 1.
However, I submit that there's a race to be had if you look closely.
1) As I see it, Lacrosse's 1, at 15-20 seconds ahead of Point's 1, is running with North Central's top guys.
2) Lacrosse's 2 and 3 are right on Points 1, which puts them right with NCC's 4-7 pack.
3) Lacrosse's 4 and 5 appear to be about 5-10 seconds off that pack.
But to me the key is that we're talking about two teams, North Central and Lacrosse, who both have 15-30 second 1-5 splits. In other words, 5 second swings can make a big difference if it's crowded on that point of the course.
Don't get me wrong, I like North Central by 20-30 points, but I think Lacrosse and the SUNY schools can make this thing interesting.
kevin is a good friend of mine and Im sure if he ran a marathon he would come close to that but that wasn't him. The kid hasn't ran in awhile.
so its another 23 yr old kevin kelleher out of shape enough to run a 3.24 marathon?
oh keene wrote:
so its another 23 yr old kevin kelleher out of shape enough to run a 3.24 marathon?
Out of shape? For Kevin that would be in shape.
Combining the 2 different meets together (which of course isnt entirely accurate but based on the data given above), the race would be run close to this:
Ncc 1
Ncc2-:01
Lacosse1-:02
Ncc3-:04
Ncc4-:12
Ncc5:-15
Pt1:-16
Ncc6:16
Ncc7:16
Lacrosse2:20
Lacrosse3:23
Whitewater1:29
Lacrosse4:33
Now i dont expect north central to put 7 in front of lacrosse's 2, but in comparsion using whitewater and steven point, north central probably will put 5 in front of lacrosses 3, possibly 5 infront of their two. After cortland having gone done last week and lacrosse probably being the frontrunner for number 2 in the nation, it does look like north central will indeed blow out at nationals
Key question in my mind for North Central is Hird. He's been running up front but was North Central's 9th man at CCIW. Will be interesting to see if he bounces back at Regionals. 11 long days ahead...
Does anyone know anything about the course/race conditions at the Centennial Conference meet at Gettysberg College? The women's times seemed kind of slow so I was wondering if there was a particular reason for that (tough course, terrible weather, etc.)
Course is extremely flat but does not drain--very muddy for the meet.
The gburg course last weekend was an absolute swamp. inches of mud obstructed the runners, and a couple of hairpin turns were made treacherous by the wet conditions. The women, running first, had the best possible conditions, but that's not saying much, as the course was so incredibly sloppy.
What happened to Hird? Did he get out and die or was he just doggin' it? Someone had to have been there
How many slots will each region get based on this week?
la crosse raced on a tough, slow, muddy course. ncc raced on a pancake flat oshkosh course where most runners pr by huge margins. so the times are completely not comparable.