Nope. Not when you are playing in May as the greats often are.
May is the postseason. Postseason games are played after the season is completed. That's what "post" means.
The playoffs are a part of the annual workload. You can’t spin it otherwise. Focusing on only a subset of the workload is as dumb as chastising 3 point shooting.
May is the postseason. Postseason games are played after the season is completed. That's what "post" means.
The playoffs are a part of the annual workload. You can’t spin it otherwise. Focusing on only a subset of the workload is as dumb as chastising 3 point shooting.
There's no need to spin it otherwise. My initial comment about season durability pertained to the season. I think that matters. Jordan had more season durability as evidenced by him playing 9 full seasons and 92.0% of his team's regular season games, compared to LeBron playing only 1 full season and 87.7% of his team's regular season games.
Sounds like you still need to educate yourself on what jacking up 3s means. I've tried to help you understand it, but I can only do so much. You've got to put in some effort to learn.
What do you expect. The guy thinks that Jordan taking off three years doesn’t constitute rest. lol. He’s all over the place. Every one of his arguments has been decimated.
I never said the three years off weren't rest. How can my arguments be "decimated" if you're making comments on things I didn't even say.
My apologies. You said “Coming back and getting into NBA shape at 38 after 3 years off is harder than staying in NBA shape.”
In my best John McEnroe imitation- You can’t be serious. Taking 3 years off and then taking a few months to get into shape is harder than playing ~100 games a year for three years, plus travel, plus practices, plus workouts, etc.
The playoffs are a part of the annual workload. You can’t spin it otherwise. Focusing on only a subset of the workload is as dumb as chastising 3 point shooting.
There's no need to spin it otherwise. My initial comment about season durability pertained to the season. I think that matters. Jordan had more season durability as evidenced by him playing 9 full seasons and 92.0% of his team's regular season games, compared to LeBron playing only 1 full season and 87.7% of his team's regular season games.
Sounds like you still need to educate yourself on what jacking up 3s means. I've tried to help you understand it, but I can only do so much. You've got to put in some effort to learn.
Lebron averaged more games per season than Jordan even though he has played a record 23 seasons, a record 1924 NBA games, played 25,000 more minutes than Jordan, played 700 more games than Jordan, played in an era where load management is a strategy, played into his 40s, and played in 4 Olympics and didn’t have to take two 1+ year long breaks to rest to do it.
I never said the three years off weren't rest. How can my arguments be "decimated" if you're making comments on things I didn't even say.
My apologies. You said “Coming back and getting into NBA shape at 38 after 3 years off is harder than staying in NBA shape.”
In my best John McEnroe imitation- You can’t be serious. Taking 3 years off and then taking a few months to get into shape is harder than playing ~100 games a year for three years, plus travel, plus practices, plus workouts, etc.
Are you insane? Lol.
Are you serious? Please do some reading on the Use It Or Lose It principle as it applies to athletic performance and aging.
It is extremely difficult to do what Jordan did at the age of 38 after so much time away from the game. He would have been much better off doing what LeBron did from ages 35-37, which is playing in only 74.7% of his team's regular season games.
There's no need to spin it otherwise. My initial comment about season durability pertained to the season. I think that matters. Jordan had more season durability as evidenced by him playing 9 full seasons and 92.0% of his team's regular season games, compared to LeBron playing only 1 full season and 87.7% of his team's regular season games.
Sounds like you still need to educate yourself on what jacking up 3s means. I've tried to help you understand it, but I can only do so much. You've got to put in some effort to learn.
Lebron averaged more games per season than Jordan even though he has played a record 23 seasons, a record 1924 NBA games, played 25,000 more minutes than Jordan, played 700 more games than Jordan, played in an era where load management is a strategy, played into his 40s, and played in 4 Olympics and didn’t have to take two 1+ year long breaks to rest to do it.
Keep setting up qualifiers though. lol.
I think the misunderstanding is you appear to be treating longevity and durability as one and the same. I don't think they are. LeBron had more longevity, of course. Jordan had more season durability.
My apologies. You said “Coming back and getting into NBA shape at 38 after 3 years off is harder than staying in NBA shape.”
In my best John McEnroe imitation- You can’t be serious. Taking 3 years off and then taking a few months to get into shape is harder than playing ~100 games a year for three years, plus travel, plus practices, plus workouts, etc.
Are you insane? Lol.
Are you serious? Please do some reading on the Use It Or Lose It principle as it applies to athletic performance and aging.
It is extremely difficult to do what Jordan did at the age of 38 after so much time away from the game. He would have been much better off doing what LeBron did from ages 35-37, which is playing in only 74.7% of his team's regular season games.
Now the argument is that Jordan is more durable at playing basketball because he took the “hard” route of not playing basketball. SMH
Are you serious? Please do some reading on the Use It Or Lose It principle as it applies to athletic performance and aging.
It is extremely difficult to do what Jordan did at the age of 38 after so much time away from the game. He would have been much better off doing what LeBron did from ages 35-37, which is playing in only 74.7% of his team's regular season games.
Now the argument is that Jordan is more durable at playing basketball because he took the “hard” route of not playing basketball. SMH
Huh? I'm not saying that at all. I kindly request that you please comment on things I've actually said.
I never said 3 point shooting isn't a skill. I said jacking up 3s isn't a skill. Anyone can just jack up 3s. Since you don't seem to understand what jacking up 3s means, I'll teach you.
In basketball, "jacking up 3-pointers" is a slang term for recklessly or excessively taking three-point shots without running a proper play, creating a quality scoring opportunity, or considering whether the attempt is a smart tactical decision.
The big distinction between 3-point shooting and jacking up 3-pointers is the quality of the shot attempt.
Since it seems there is still a misunderstanding about what jacking up 3s means, I'll explain the concept a little bit more.
It might help to compare and contrast a Jacked Up 3 with an Advisable 3.
1) Openness: A Jacked Up 3 is tightly contested. An Advisable 3 is open.
2) Initiation: A Jacked Up 3 is off multiple isolation dribbles. An Advisable 3 is off a good pass from a teammate.
3) Flow: A Jacked Up 3 disrupts the flow of the offense. It often comes early in the shot clock without other teammates getting the chance to touch the ball and just standing around. An Advisable 3 comes within the flow of the offense.
4) Temperature: A Jacked Up 3 is when a player or team disregards being on a cold streak. They just continue jacking it up without bothering to try to find a higher quality look closer to the basket. An Advisable 3 comes when a player is on a heater.
5) Distance and Location: A Jacked Up 3 is taken from the logo or someplace else way beyond the 3 point line. An Advisable 3 is just behind the 3 point line, especially in one of the corners.
Hopefully the above distinctions help with understanding that not all 3 point attempts should be regarded as the same quality. Jacked Up 3s are lower quality shots than Advisable 3s. If you do some searching, you'll find that Jacked Up 3 attempts are made at a much lower percentage than Advisable 3 attempts.
Yeah, there are some exceptional players who can get way with Jacking Up 3s because they are great shooters. But by and large, Jacked Up 3s are ill-advised, and they should not be the primary offensive strategy.
Dude. You said that taking 3 years off and coming back is “harder” than playing in the NBA (and everything that goes with it) for three years.
Coming back at age 38 out of shape after 3 years without playing is absolutely harder than continuing to play at 38 after staying active and in game shape from 35 to 37.
Please do some reading on the Use It Or Lose It principle as it applies to athletic performance and aging.
I never said 3 point shooting isn't a skill. I said jacking up 3s isn't a skill. Anyone can just jack up 3s. Since you don't seem to understand what jacking up 3s means, I'll teach you.
In basketball, "jacking up 3-pointers" is a slang term for recklessly or excessively taking three-point shots without running a proper play, creating a quality scoring opportunity, or considering whether the attempt is a smart tactical decision.
The big distinction between 3-point shooting and jacking up 3-pointers is the quality of the shot attempt.
Since it seems there is still a misunderstanding about what jacking up 3s means, I'll explain the concept a little bit more.
It might help to compare and contrast a Jacked Up 3 with an Advisable 3.
1) Openness: A Jacked Up 3 is tightly contested. An Advisable 3 is open.
2) Initiation: A Jacked Up 3 is off multiple isolation dribbles. An Advisable 3 is off a good pass from a teammate.
3) Flow: A Jacked Up 3 disrupts the flow of the offense. It often comes early in the shot clock without other teammates getting the chance to touch the ball and just standing around. An Advisable 3 comes within the flow of the offense.
4) Temperature: A Jacked Up 3 is when a player or team disregards being on a cold streak. They just continue jacking it up without bothering to try to find a higher quality look closer to the basket. An Advisable 3 comes when a player is on a heater.
5) Distance and Location: A Jacked Up 3 is taken from the logo or someplace else way beyond the 3 point line. An Advisable 3 is just behind the 3 point line, especially in one of the corners.
Hopefully the above distinctions help with understanding that not all 3 point attempts should be regarded as the same quality. Jacked Up 3s are lower quality shots than Advisable 3s. If you do some searching, you'll find that Jacked Up 3 attempts are made at a much lower percentage than Advisable 3 attempts.
Yeah, there are some exceptional players who can get way with Jacking Up 3s because they are great shooters. But by and large, Jacked Up 3s are ill-advised, and they should not be the primary offensive strategy.
I'm all for Advisable 3s. Not Jacked Up 3s.
So now that you’ve given up on the absurd notion that LeBron is not the GOAT, I’ll ask whether you think Jordan jacked up 3s or took available 3s?
So now that you’ve given up on the absurd notion that LeBron is not the GOAT, I’ll ask whether you think Jordan jacked up 3s or took available 3s?
Huh? I haven't given up. I made my latest argument in Post 362. Nobody has tried refuting it. I'm just commenting on these branches while I await a response from the one and only LeBron supporter in the last 5 or so pages who has shown he can thoughtfully discuss the whole forest rather than obsess on one branch of one tree.
To answer your question, Jordan didn't take many 3s in general. His career average was only 1.7 attempts per game. He might have Jacked Up 3s occasionally, but certainly not often.
So now that you’ve given up on the absurd notion that LeBron is not the GOAT, I’ll ask whether you think Jordan jacked up 3s or took available 3s?
Huh? I haven't given up. I made my latest argument in Post 362. Nobody has tried refuting it. I'm just commenting on these branches while I await a response from the one and only LeBron supporter in the last 5 or so pages who has shown he can thoughtfully discuss the whole forest rather than obsess on one branch of one tree.
To answer your question, Jordan didn't take many 3s in general. His career average was only 1.7 attempts per game. He might have Jacked Up 3s occasionally, but certainly not often.
So who jacked up more threes as a percentage of their 3pta? Jordan or LeBron?
Sorry. Reading your recent posts, it just looked like you had.
That's cute. If you're ready to move away from snarky jabs to having a meaningful and respectful conversation on this topic, I invite you to give me a thoughtful response to Posts 169, 324, and 362. Those posts are the core of my argument.
When I say "thoughtful," I mean addressing the totality of the argument (the forest) rather than just obsessing over one thing (one tree, or one branch of a tree).
If you're unable to do what I'm inviting you to do, then I'll just look forward to a reply from the one LeBron supporter in the last half of this thread who has shown he can.
Dude. You said that taking 3 years off and coming back is “harder” than playing in the NBA (and everything that goes with it) for three years.
Coming back at age 38 out of shape after 3 years without playing is absolutely harder than continuing to play at 38 after staying active and in game shape from 35 to 37.
Please do some reading on the Use It Or Lose It principle as it applies to athletic performance and aging.
Yeah, but he was playing minor league baseball, and I heard he also played a lot of pickup basketball with his baseball teammates. That's two sports! He should have been in great shape!