What's quite sad is you can watch his updates and find it impressive (which I genuinely do) but then his obnoxious fanbase just makes the whole thing so off-putting. I totally respect the effort, good on him. But if you're going to make outlandish claims then the very least you should expect is for experts in the field to hold you to account.
What's quite sad is you can watch his updates and find it impressive (which I genuinely do) but then his obnoxious fanbase just makes the whole thing so off-putting. I totally respect the effort, good on him. But if you're going to make outlandish claims then the very least you should expect is for experts in the field to hold you to account.
My thoughts as well
That's a laugh. I don't consider any of you haterz here to be an "expert" at anything when you can't even do a simple Strava download after over a year.
I just want to make the comparison between this thread and e.g. the Goodge thread (or Robert Young, Mike Rossi, etc).
The Goodge thread was page after page of people questioning the run, explaining what was suspicious, and giving concrete data that pointed toward the run being faked. There was serious debate that started out in good faith, and as the run went on, a consensus formed that the doubters were right. You can see the pattern in votes: posts questioning the run received lots of upvotes, while posts saying the run was legit received lots of downvotes. There was interspersed vitriol, to be sure, but predominantly good-faith arguments, especially by the skeptics.
On this thread, meanwhile, there has been very little questioning that Brockmann has been doing the running, and what questions there were seem to have quickly died out. This despite the fact that clearly a lot of the posters are rubbed the wrong way by Brockmann personally.
I just want to emphasize the contrast because some of the posts defending Goodge and other similar cases have claimed that criticism is personally motivated. Perhaps occasionally, but the community as a whole is not like this, and is quite willing not to question runners when the facts point towards them doing the running. I have spent more time lurking on these threads than is probably wise, and I've come to the conclusion that the best way to tell when a runner is course-cutting is to read the debate on the Letsrun thread. I say this in the hope that other lurkers (and media, potential fans, etc.) will take the same conclusion, and in particular be willing to trust the Letsrun consensus when it seems to be well-justified and conflicts with claims made by runner-influencers.
I just want to make the comparison between this thread and e.g. the Goodge thread (or Robert Young, Mike Rossi, etc).
The Goodge thread was page after page of people questioning the run, explaining what was suspicious, and giving concrete data that pointed toward the run being faked. There was serious debate that started out in good faith, and as the run went on, a consensus formed that the doubters were right. You can see the pattern in votes: posts questioning the run received lots of upvotes, while posts saying the run was legit received lots of downvotes. There was interspersed vitriol, to be sure, but predominantly good-faith arguments, especially by the skeptics.
You have no idea what you read, then. I was mainly getting the downvotes in the Goodge thread because none of you could figure out simple data analysis and how to download the Strava data that I did over a year ago. I was essentially mocking all your intelligence and so called self proclaimed "experts" in that thread for over a year. None of you had any "good-faith arguments" because I was the only one that was capable of looking at the data and saw everything you accused of Goodge as wrong because you guys don't even know what the data on the simplified Strava pages means or how they are derived.
And plus, you are all just jealous of how handsome and successful Goodge is. Cockerell even swooned over Goodge when he flew to America, such was the allure of Goodge.
I just want to make the comparison between this thread and e.g. the Goodge thread (or Robert Young, Mike Rossi, etc).
The Goodge thread was page after page of people questioning the run, explaining what was suspicious, and giving concrete data that pointed toward the run being faked. There was serious debate that started out in good faith, and as the run went on, a consensus formed that the doubters were right. You can see the pattern in votes: posts questioning the run received lots of upvotes, while posts saying the run was legit received lots of downvotes. There was interspersed vitriol, to be sure, but predominantly good-faith arguments, especially by the skeptics.
On this thread, meanwhile, there has been very little questioning that Brockmann has been doing the running, and what questions there were seem to have quickly died out. This despite the fact that clearly a lot of the posters are rubbed the wrong way by Brockmann personally.
I just want to emphasize the contrast because some of the posts defending Goodge and other similar cases have claimed that criticism is personally motivated. Perhaps occasionally, but the community as a whole is not like this, and is quite willing not to question runners when the facts point towards them doing the running. I have spent more time lurking on these threads than is probably wise, and I've come to the conclusion that the best way to tell when a runner is course-cutting is to read the debate on the Letsrun thread. I say this in the hope that other lurkers (and media, potential fans, etc.) will take the same conclusion, and in particular be willing to trust the Letsrun consensus when it seems to be well-justified and conflicts with claims made by runner-influencers.
Many thanks auto, yes this NB challenge has been the perfect antidote to all things WG. I never had anything personal against Will, but could see the cheat with blinding clarity as early as day 3. Then to my horror I found he had also done it in his Jogle and 48/30, and worst of all his handler and best friend Balenger did it in his Transcon of 2019. My approval ratings were often at around 95% on that thread. I'll take it. Since then WG hasn't touched a stunt run again with a bargepole and just does wan marathons and horror ultras like the Cali 100. I predicted a dnf at 60 and was spot on to the mile. Everything he's done in the last 18 months has had a perfect, pulsing jugular.
The prototype runfluencers were Rivett and Lloyd [released from jail on charges on kidnap and blackmail] faking the Jogle WR in 2002 by 10%. Lloyd has lived off it ever since with a variety of cottage industries. Guinness have confirmed to me they will never take it down, largely ruining that event for ever as a going concern.
This Brockmann incident is the same as Paul Johnson, to the letter: a huge, diabolical, impossible challenge, where you say you're going to break the world record by 4% when you barely know a thing about the holder. Kostelnick ran with PJ who didn't have a clue who he was. Has NB been in regular touch with Kouros - has he gone to the source for advice? No chance. He has no interest in him, only in the glory of saying he could be as good as him [better in fact by nearly half a day].
His excruciating comeuppance here is well due, and as a community of our noble, precious, historic sport we had every right to call bullsh*t; just as golfers would if an influencer claimed a 58 at St Andrews, or 800 metre runners against an influencer claiming 1:36.
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Who are these autists derailing the thread? Do any of you have jobs? As someone who couldn't care less about ultrarunning, is it too much to ask to be able to open a thread out of curiosity and get an update?
Updates are on Nedd's tiktok video. If you want to discuss the attempt, the marketing and luring followers with an outlandish claim, then this is the place.
I just want to make the comparison between this thread and e.g. the Goodge thread (or Robert Young, Mike Rossi, etc).
The Goodge thread was page after page of people questioning the run, explaining what was suspicious, and giving concrete data that pointed toward the run being faked. There was serious debate that started out in good faith, and as the run went on, a consensus formed that the doubters were right. You can see the pattern in votes: posts questioning the run received lots of upvotes, while posts saying the run was legit received lots of downvotes. There was interspersed vitriol, to be sure, but predominantly good-faith arguments, especially by the skeptics.
You have no idea what you read, then. I was mainly getting the downvotes in the Goodge thread because none of you could figure out simple data analysis and how to download the Strava data that I did over a year ago. I was essentially mocking all your intelligence and so called self proclaimed "experts" in that thread for over a year. None of you had any "good-faith arguments" because I was the only one that was capable of looking at the data and saw everything you accused of Goodge as wrong because you guys don't even know what the data on the simplified Strava pages means or how they are derived.
And plus, you are all just jealous of how handsome and successful Goodge is. Cockerell even swooned over Goodge when he flew to America, such was the allure of Goodge.
Why don't you bend your knee and give Goodge the ring now.
His excruciating comeuppance here is well due, and as a community of our noble, precious, historic sport we had every right to call bullsh*t; just as golfers would if an influencer claimed a 58 at St Andrews, or 800 metre runners against an influencer claiming 1:36.
Yes, he brought it on himself. He chose what he thought is a 'soft target' instead of respecting how great Kouros was. No one would attempt the 800m record out of the blue as a marketing tactic, and if you did many could easily go through the halfway split within a few seconds. Yet no one would claim that as a worthy effort.
You have all these naive people, understandably on tiktok who aren't expected to know, but here as well fawning over him like a messiah. With credit to Monty Python, "he's not the messiah, just a big BS artist". He is a narcissist willing to inflict pain on himself, that's all....you could do that with a hammer to the head to attract attention, as many deranged do.
...and now we find out about his behaviour in the 3hr pack at Sydney
you know running is a capability every human with legs has yeah it’s not a special exclusive sport? Nedd didn’t say his gonna win the PGA tour or get drafted by the Celtics.. he just said his going to try run 1600km in 10 days for CHARITY.. boo hoo.. I think cause nedd has a personality better than half of you indoor pot plants and resonates with real people his becoming what he is and you gate keeping runners can’t stand it. It’s really sad to see actually, his not hurting anyone what’s the issue.. get out and do it yourselves instead of sitting on a forum like worthless idiots with your sad negative opinions while someone’s having a crack. Should be ashamed.
he never disrespected any other runners he simply set a goal like everyone would.. if I set a goal to run 10km today have I disrespected everyone whose ever ran 10km… no, it’s the dumbest way of thinking ever… what goal should he have had? Would you be happier if he said his gonna try do a couple km’s short of kouros would that be respectful. Grow up
He put himself in the conversation as record contender, he was never ever going to get remotely close to YIANNIS KOUROS, that's just stolen valour for attention.
There's people still on tik tok claiming he's a chance. He's literally 200km behind Kouros coming up to 7 days. He's hobbling like a cripple, and he's going to catch Kouros, he couldn't even catch him on riding a bike at this point.
I'm far more interested in the psychology of people who fall for this fake rubbish. Built different, Australian of the year, GOAT blah blah.
I'm watching a tough kid with zero leadership around him. He is a mediocre runner, who has trashed his body, probably for the rest of his life.
However, it's a relief to hear the money goes directly to people that need it, and I've done my own research which suggests the charity has very low over heads. I was sceptical about that, so full credit to him and the charity for that aspect.
It’s not though mate.. it’s running? There’s not skills involved you literally put one foot in front of the other again and again, obviously there’s levels to it if it took old mate 10 hours and it takes nedd 20 then so be it.. as long as his prepared to do that that’s the difference. You don’t have to be over 6 foot or be able to hit a golf ball to run. Also say someone’s whatever age let’s say 12 and they’re playing basketball, should they not aim to play NBA or would that be disrespectful, or a kid plays golf and says he wants to be like tiger woods.. disrespectful or?? It’s a goal.. nothing wrong with it.
a lot of you sound threatened and insecure, his just running for a good cause and put a goal too it for motivation, it’s not that deep that it’s gonna ruin your fancy exclusive running sport where everyone tip toes around the legends of the sports achievements.
People say blah blah blah and Australian of the year cause his inspiring thousands of people to do something challenging and to them show them incredible things can be done when you put your mind too.. how is that going over your head so easily, are you an adult? It’s baffling.
Showing them to do something that's crippling him.
Also, it's top of the 9th Mets 4-1, on the brink of sealing the series. Phillies zero outs, two walks, have the tying run on deck, watch something good.
you know running is a capability every human with legs has yeah it’s not a special exclusive sport? Nedd didn’t say his gonna win the PGA tour or get drafted by the Celtics.. he just said his going to try run 1600km in 10 days for CHARITY.. boo hoo.. I think cause nedd has a personality better than half of you indoor pot plants and resonates with real people his becoming what he is and you gate keeping runners can’t stand it. It’s really sad to see actually, his not hurting anyone what’s the issue.. get out and do it yourselves instead of sitting on a forum like worthless idiots with your sad negative opinions while someone’s having a crack. Should be ashamed.
You know pretty much everyone can swing a golf club or kick a football too?
To follow your analogies, it would be like a competent amateur golfer saying he's going to attempt to win the PGA while playing as well as Tiger Woods at his best, and then proceeding to string together a first round of 20 over, but somehow convincing those not familiar with golf that he could still win the tournament.
Or a better than average amateur football player saying his goal this week was to get drafted by Celtic and then play better than Pele this season. Anyone who had played the game would know the player is talking crap.
If gullible people who believe the publicity want to throw money at that golfer or footballer's charity, no one begrudges them, after all it's a worthy cause, even if the marketing was dubious and the sportsmen's performances at the PGA or the Celtic draft were pretty much as any knowledgeable sports commentator would have expected.
Can anyone else remember, almost a year ago, that he started to do all these pull ups and stated he was out to break the world record for most in 24hrs? He hyped it, posted it relentlessly on social media, taking a chin up bar across the country to practice… and then it was just forgotten. Nothing heard. I just found it all very bizarre. As if he realised he couldn’t do it so just completely left it.