Not sure how it works in track but a few friends of mine have been asst college lacrosse coaches and camps are additional sources of income for coaches.
Sometimes the salary is listed as $50,000 but after camps it's much more.
Don't know if it's unique to lacrosse but I'm sure football and basketball also bring in nice money for camps
Requiring XC coaches to do summer xc camps should be against the law. XC coaches are in season year round - indoor, outdoor, xc - and then you want them to distance camp in the summer as well just to get by?
When people used to ask me about college coaching, I used to say, "It's amazing if you don't mind working 35-40 weekends a year for 35-40k a year." Obviously this pays more but a lacrosse coach is in season for 3-4 months, not 9 like track/xc.
Good thing you gave up coaching for “journalism”. You clearly have no passion for the former🤔
John Hayes would be a great choice but I doubt that he would leave Wake Forest. I think Bell, Fox or Gibby would be coaches that would leave and do well.
CU going with someone who isn’t a retread coach, doesn’t have a lot of baggage, and would want to build things right, certainly doesn’t fit some of the names shared in this thread. But, that’s likely not going to happen here. Much like how Duke re-hired Kevin Jermyn after his debacle coaching there previously, nothing would surprise me. There are a lot of good coaches in the NCAA who have been doing great things at a lower or mid-major level, but just need more resources (ie funding). Going with someone who can build a program and maintain steady success is better than a flash in the pan “big name hire” who likely won’t be there after 2-4 years.
John Hayes would be a great choice but I doubt that he would leave Wake Forest. I think Bell, Fox or Gibby would be coaches that would leave and do well.
Hayes wouldn’t be a great choice unless recruiting great talent and failing them is the priority
Not sure how it works in track but a few friends of mine have been asst college lacrosse coaches and camps are additional sources of income for coaches.
Sometimes the salary is listed as $50,000 but after camps it's much more.
Don't know if it's unique to lacrosse but I'm sure football and basketball also bring in nice money for camps
Requiring XC coaches to do summer xc camps should be against the law. XC coaches are in season year round - indoor, outdoor, xc - and then you want them to distance camp in the summer as well just to get by?
When people used to ask me about college coaching, I used to say, "It's amazing if you don't mind working 35-40 weekends a year for 35-40k a year." Obviously this pays more but a lacrosse coach is in season for 3-4 months, not 9 like track/xc.
Lacrosse coaches have a spring season, then the coaches go to their camps and go to showcases to recruit during the summer, then fall ball starts. Rinse and repeat.
This job will get a ton of attention from top coaches. It may be one of the few programs with which you can take on NAU consistently. Altitude, great trails...it is expensive, but you can live nearby for somewhat normal costs. What coaches/athletes have a past connection to CU?
Ritz and Vig on the high level coaching side stand out.
The Florida State position was announced and in that presser it was stated they had over 40 applicants.
How many applicants will this CU position yield?
What types of applicant backgrounds will apply?
Pro Distance Runner getting into collegiate coaching?
Former CU Distance Runner w/o collegiate coaching experience?
Former CU Distance Runner WITH collegiate coaching experience?
Outside the CU Family but familiar with the region and has collegiate coaching experience?
Non Distance Head that makes "splash" hires with distance coaches?
CU was absolutely not a "complete backwater" before Wetmore. While Q was coach, they had many many years of top-level success on the XC scene. Please do more research before making such an outlandish claim. Marc Scrutton comes to mind, among many amazing Buffs from the '70s and '80s. CU's teams routinely placed in the Top 10 at Nationals.
I ran for Q the one season I had eligibility ('86) as third man on our D1 fourth-place at Nationals. We could have placed as high as second if our number two man had not been hobbled by an injury.
I also knew of Wetmore since my high school in NJ was in the same conference as the XC powerhouse Bernardsville, the alma mater of Brad Hudson. Wetmore apprenticed under Ed Mather, the legendary Bernards coach.
True about Buff history under Q, but Hudson never went to Bernard’s hs
The 1986 NCAA Division I Cross Country Championships were the 48th annual NCAA Men's Division I Cross Country Championship and the 6th annual NCAA Women's Division I Cross Country Championship to determine the team and indivi...
Then they weren't in top 10 again (I just went through and checked), until Wetmore got them to 4th, then 2nd the year after that. Again, this was a team that had faded into not making NCAAs at all.
1987: 12th place.
1988: no team, two individuals in 63rd and 142nd.
1989: 18th place.
1990: no team, no individuals
1991: no team, one individual in 129th place.
I doubt Wetmore could've been hired in 1987, but 1990/1991, CU Was A Complete Backwater.
Wow... The the hobby jogger incels' certainly want Franklin for this. As I stated before, there is no way CU will ever pony up the funds for a T&F program of any significance. They barely put up enough the have an XC team.
Why would Franklin, or any other coach in a good situation leave a good place from a funding stand point, especially after the nice commits they have been getting for 2024-25 to a floundering program like CU's? Make it make some actual sense.
Wow... The the hobby jogger incels' certainly want Franklin for this. As I stated before, there is no way CU will ever pony up the funds for a T&F program of any significance. They barely put up enough the have an XC team.
Why would Franklin, or any other coach in a good situation leave a good place from a funding stand point, especially after the nice commits they have been getting for 2024-25 to a floundering program like CU's? Make it make some actual sense.
Prove. Me. Wrong.
Hey Angry guy. It was a question. I don't live in Boulder. Don't particularly care what happens there and am definitely not an incel hobby jogger. I do, however, coach at the D1 level.
Why would Joe apply for this job?
Cause it's at altitude and they are in a power conference. UNM was a low budget mid-major but located at altitude. While there he didn't care about T&F, only distance. He had a bit of success there. He moved on from there because they wouldn't give him a raise and the AD isn't exactly overflowing with funds. He is now in a power conference but not at altitude. It will be much more difficult to be successful there (not impossible, just more challenging.)
It ain't a silly or nonsensical thought to have that he might consider moving to CU given they are a in a power conference, have a history of being a distance school, and are at altitude. Maybe you should not get so angry that someone asked the question -regardless his interest or lack there of.
Then they weren't in top 10 again (I just went through and checked), until Wetmore got them to 4th, then 2nd the year after that. Again, this was a team that had faded into not making NCAAs at all.
1987: 12th place.
"Q" had a long and illustrious coaching career, including a stint as the Buffs' assistant coach from 1970 to 1974, at other schools prior to being CU's head coach from 1985 to 1995. As for the underlying cause of the men's team tailing off after 1987, I do not know.
Here's CU's D1 top-10 men's team places from the early '70's to 1985, which is, IMHO, pretty damn good. 1973: 5th 1977: 10th 1978: 5th 1979: 4th 1982: 7th 1985: 3rd
Wow... The the hobby jogger incels' certainly want Franklin for this. As I stated before, there is no way CU will ever pony up the funds for a T&F program of any significance. They barely put up enough the have an XC team.
Why would Franklin, or any other coach in a good situation leave a good place from a funding stand point, especially after the nice commits they have been getting for 2024-25 to a floundering program like CU's? Make it make some actual sense.
Prove. Me. Wrong.
Hey Angry guy. It was a question. I don't live in Boulder. Don't particularly care what happens there and am definitely not an incel hobby jogger. I do, however, coach at the D1 level.
Why would Joe apply for this job?
Cause it's at altitude and they are in a power conference. UNM was a low budget mid-major but located at altitude. While there he didn't care about T&F, only distance. He had a bit of success there. He moved on from there because they wouldn't give him a raise and the AD isn't exactly overflowing with funds. He is now in a power conference but not at altitude. It will be much more difficult to be successful there (not impossible, just more challenging.)
It ain't a silly or nonsensical thought to have that he might consider moving to CU given they are a in a power conference, have a history of being a distance school, and are at altitude. Maybe you should not get so angry that someone asked the question -regardless his interest or lack there of.
Lol, angry. No. I would love Franklin to pull up stakes from and come to Boulder. However, I am practical. If CU was committed monetarily, it would re-shuffle the P4 for T&F and distance. You said it yourself, Franklin left UNM as they did not have cash for the running programs. If you are coaching at the D1 level, you know CU does not fund running. Are you saying that is going to change? Are you a D1 coach? Wait, are you Joe Franklin?
Hey Angry guy. It was a question. I don't live in Boulder. Don't particularly care what happens there and am definitely not an incel hobby jogger. I do, however, coach at the D1 level.
Why would Joe apply for this job?
Cause it's at altitude and they are in a power conference. UNM was a low budget mid-major but located at altitude. While there he didn't care about T&F, only distance. He had a bit of success there. He moved on from there because they wouldn't give him a raise and the AD isn't exactly overflowing with funds. He is now in a power conference but not at altitude. It will be much more difficult to be successful there (not impossible, just more challenging.)
It ain't a silly or nonsensical thought to have that he might consider moving to CU given they are a in a power conference, have a history of being a distance school, and are at altitude. Maybe you should not get so angry that someone asked the question -regardless his interest or lack there of.
Lol, angry. No. I would love Franklin to pull up stakes from and come to Boulder. However, I am practical. If CU was committed monetarily, it would re-shuffle the P4 for T&F and distance. You said it yourself, Franklin left UNM as they did not have cash for the running programs. If you are coaching at the D1 level, you know CU does not fund running. Are you saying that is going to change? Are you a D1 coach? Wait, are you Joe Franklin?
Thanks for making my fiscal argument for me.
I simply wondered if the guy applied for the job. Nothing more.
I made no argument for you since I wasn't comparing funding at Louisville to CU. The comparison was UNM to Louisville. Funding at UNM is way less than funding at any P4 including CU.
I don't know the funding situation at CU or Louisville but apparently you think you do. I'd be willing to bet it's not much different but that may not be the case because I didn't look into either job.
My thought behind the question was success may come easier at CU than it might at a sea level school with not much history of distance success. Pretty logical thought if you aren't emotional about it.
This is all a moot anyway since I have no idea if he would be interested in the job and you are just some random internet person.
It was just a question which didn't necessitate an emotional response simply because you seem bitter about CU .