NEWSFLASH Tucker Carlson FIRED from so-called Fox News

GD wrote:

agip wrote:

Yes, if a version of the red guard springs forth in America then we will be in trouble.

It's happening now. Very slowly, but it is happening. The difference between now and the '60s is that some of the unhinged radicals are staffing major institutions, and the people in charge of major institutions are increasingly caving to their demands because it's unprofitable to be called racist, sexist, transphobic, etc., and that's exactly what the "activists" do. They shame and emotionally blackmail people into compliance, which is what the Red Guard did before resorting to overt violence. We're still early enough to stop this. It took years to take hold in China.

This is from Xi Van Fleet, one of the parents protesting the school board in Loudoun County VA:

"An immigrant from China, who as a child had lived through Mao’s Marxist Cultural Revolution, Xi described CRT as the indoctrination of children. What she was seeing in Loudoun County, she said, reminded her of what she witnessed growing up in Mao’s China."

Link:www.iwf.org/people/xi-van-fleet/

GD wrote:

agip wrote:

incomprehensible for someone like GD to say 'you know what..sure I know that the GOP literally tried to end democracy a couple years ago, its leader pushed to suspend the Constitution and they will have billions of dollars to spend to continue that fight....and the GOP governor of FL is using full state power to damage a company for strictly political reasons....but I am more worried about undergraduates.'

Incomprehensible.

I'm telling you what I see in the coal mines, and it's not good. Graduates of elite universities occupy the most powerful positions in our society, and a substantial minority of them are ready to do some serious damage in the name of progress. Laugh at me all you want. Lots of people dismiss this stuff until it shows up on their doorstep and destroys their workplaces, schools, and governance.

Read this account from an anti-racist professor. Note that the program he mentored is highly selective. Prior participants include: Stacey Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, and Francis Fukuyama. I pulled a quote to capture the gist of the piece.

"Like others on the left, I had been dismissive of criticisms of the current discourse on race in the United States. But now my thoughts turned to that moment in the 1970s when leftist organizations imploded, the need to match and raise the militancy of one’s comrades leading to a toxic culture filled with dogmatism and disillusion. How did this happen to a group of bright-eyed high school students?"

Link:compactmag.com/article/a-black-profess...

wasn't real socialism wrote:

Punkton Upon Thames wrote:

That is inaccurate. You can call it a "purely symbolic vote" all you want, but it is a Constitutionally REQUIRED vote and there is NO newly elected president without it. And you seem completely ignorant of the illegal Plan B that was going on simultaneously and which was predicated and contingent on a delay or interruption of the "purely symbolic vote." They were very close to succeeding.

You seem to be another person who could benefit from reading the January 6th Report, including the deposition transcripts and exhibits. For you, I'd particularly recommend all exhibits (texts, emails, transcripts) cited in Chapter 3, specifically those related to Chesebro, Eastman, Clark, Cippollone, Jacob and Barr.

Your decision to "move on" from something you know very little about does not make it any less important. You could trivialize anything by declaring you've "moved on."

Let me summarize the solution to January 6 for you: get better security at the capitol. Done, problem solved, no need to read all that. Now we can move onto the larger problems of 2023 and beyond.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

GD wrote:

It's happening now. Very slowly, but it is happening. The difference between now and the '60s is that some of the unhinged radicals are staffing major institutions, and the people in charge of major institutions are increasingly caving to their demands because it's unprofitable to be called racist, sexist, transphobic, etc., and that's exactly what the "activists" do. They shame and emotionally blackmail people into compliance, which is what the Red Guard did before resorting to overt violence. We're still early enough to stop this. It took years to take hold in China.

This is from Xi Van Fleet, one of the parents protesting the school board in Loudoun County VA:

"An immigrant from China, who as a child had lived through Mao’s Marxist Cultural Revolution, Xi described CRT as the indoctrination of children. What she was seeing in Loudoun County, she said, reminded her of what she witnessed growing up in Mao’s China."

Link:www.iwf.org/people/xi-van-fleet/

Yeah, there are definitely people who are trying to emulate Mao's Cultural Revolution. They are trying to remove books on Black history and LGBTQ topics from school libraries.

wasn\'t real socialism wrote:

Punkton Upon Thames wrote:

That is inaccurate. You can call it a "purely symbolic vote" all you want, but it is a Constitutionally REQUIRED vote and there is NO newly elected president without it. And you seem completely ignorant of the illegal Plan B that was going on simultaneously and which was predicated and contingent on a delay or interruption of the "purely symbolic vote." They were very close to succeeding.

You seem to be another person who could benefit from reading the January 6th Report, including the deposition transcripts and exhibits. For you, I'd particularly recommend all exhibits (texts, emails, transcripts) cited in Chapter 3, specifically those related to Chesebro, Eastman, Clark, Cippollone, Jacob and Barr.

Your decision to "move on" from something you know very little about does not make it any less important. You could trivialize anything by declaring you've "moved on."

Let me summarize the solution to January 6 for you: get better security at the capitol. Done, problem solved, no need to read all that. Now we can move onto the larger problems of 2023 and beyond.

Wise Old Man wrote:

GD wrote:

I'm telling you what I see in the coal mines, and it's not good. Graduates of elite universities occupy the most powerful positions in our society, and a substantial minority of them are ready to do some serious damage in the name of progress. Laugh at me all you want. Lots of people dismiss this stuff until it shows up on their doorstep and destroys their workplaces, schools, and governance.

Read this account from an anti-racist professor. Note that the program he mentored is highly selective. Prior participants include: Stacey Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, and Francis Fukuyama. I pulled a quote to capture the gist of the piece.

"Like others on the left, I had been dismissive of criticisms of the current discourse on race in the United States. But now my thoughts turned to that moment in the 1970s when leftist organizations imploded, the need to match and raise the militancy of one’s comrades leading to a toxic culture filled with dogmatism and disillusion. How did this happen to a group of bright-eyed high school students?"

Link:compactmag.com/article/a-black-profess...

GD, you are clearly highly intelligent and well educated. Your observations about the anger in the country are spot on, and yes, the autocratic right and left are a danger to democracy and the truth.

What I think you are missing is that the US is a center right country, with a long history of a dangerous strain of right facing authoritarianism. In America to the extent that extremism exists in this nation, both past and present, it is 90% or more from the right than the left. Equating Jan 6th with whatever went down at Evergreen is like equating an assault rifle and a kitchen knife. It’s the same nonsense saying that antifa poses the same threat as the oath keepers, or better yet that antifa is like Trump using federal officers to clear Lafayette Square or his threats to send the military into our urban centers. I think cancel culture sucks and some of the tactics of the far left progressives deploy are distasteful, but there’s just no comparison to the looming threat from the authoritarian right. Who is the left equivalent of Tucker Carlson, for example. Fascist was given a prime time show on the most watched cable network. C’mon!!

Finally, I’m a professor at a leading academic medical center on a coast. So I guess I’m one of the elites you reference. I do science, I teach the younger students, I care for patients. My institution is devoted to the scientific method, to truth, to harm mitigation, to easing human suffering AND to social justice. Our students betray none of the traits or values you ascribe to them. From my perspective, the threat to science and the truth are almost exclusively from the right and not the left. It’s the right that bars us from researching gun violence or interferes with our ability to work with certain cells. Yes, we have had some minor run ins with animal rights activists, but there’s no comparison.

Finally, I’m a doctor and a scientist, still I fully embrace a person’s gender declaration, but that has no bearing on whether or not they get a prostate exam. You can walk and chew gum at the same time.

GD wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

GD, you are clearly highly intelligent and well educated. Your observations about the anger in the country are spot on, and yes, the autocratic right and left are a danger to democracy and the truth.

What I think you are missing is that the US is a center right country, with a long history of a dangerous strain of right facing authoritarianism. In America to the extent that extremism exists in this nation, both past and present, it is 90% or more from the right than the left. Equating Jan 6th with whatever went down at Evergreen is like equating an assault rifle and a kitchen knife. It’s the same nonsense saying that antifa poses the same threat as the oath keepers, or better yet that antifa is like Trump using federal officers to clear Lafayette Square or his threats to send the military into our urban centers. I think cancel culture sucks and some of the tactics of the far left progressives deploy are distasteful, but there’s just no comparison to the looming threat from the authoritarian right. Who is the left equivalent of Tucker Carlson, for example. Fascist was given a prime time show on the most watched cable network. C’mon!!

Finally, I’m a professor at a leading academic medical center on a coast. So I guess I’m one of the elites you reference. I do science, I teach the younger students, I care for patients. My institution is devoted to the scientific method, to truth, to harm mitigation, to easing human suffering AND to social justice. Our students betray none of the traits or values you ascribe to them. From my perspective, the threat to science and the truth are almost exclusively from the right and not the left. It’s the right that bars us from researching gun violence or interferes with our ability to work with certain cells. Yes, we have had some minor run ins with animal rights activists, but there’s no comparison.

Finally, I’m a doctor and a scientist, still I fully embrace a person’s gender declaration, but that has no bearing on whether or not they get a prostate exam. You can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Honestly, I've read many of the things you've written on these boards, and I suspect that you're a lot like the anti-racist professor whose experience I posted on a previous page. You think it's not happening or that it isn't that bad because it hasn't happened to you yet. Wait until somebody tells you the scientific method and asking for evidence are racist practices. Even putting somebody on a scale or calculating their BMI is considered fat phobic and racist, and there are entire academic journals dedicated to these viewpoints. Things will really get bad if you acquire a co-worker or student with a personality disorder armed with these ideas.

GD wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

GD, you are clearly highly intelligent and well educated. Your observations about the anger in the country are spot on, and yes, the autocratic right and left are a danger to democracy and the truth.

What I think you are missing is that the US is a center right country, with a long history of a dangerous strain of right facing authoritarianism. In America to the extent that extremism exists in this nation, both past and present, it is 90% or more from the right than the left. Equating Jan 6th with whatever went down at Evergreen is like equating an assault rifle and a kitchen knife. It’s the same nonsense saying that antifa poses the same threat as the oath keepers, or better yet that antifa is like Trump using federal officers to clear Lafayette Square or his threats to send the military into our urban centers. I think cancel culture sucks and some of the tactics of the far left progressives deploy are distasteful, but there’s just no comparison to the looming threat from the authoritarian right. Who is the left equivalent of Tucker Carlson, for example. Fascist was given a prime time show on the most watched cable network. C’mon!!

Finally, I’m a professor at a leading academic medical center on a coast. So I guess I’m one of the elites you reference. I do science, I teach the younger students, I care for patients. My institution is devoted to the scientific method, to truth, to harm mitigation, to easing human suffering AND to social justice. Our students betray none of the traits or values you ascribe to them. From my perspective, the threat to science and the truth are almost exclusively from the right and not the left. It’s the right that bars us from researching gun violence or interferes with our ability to work with certain cells. Yes, we have had some minor run ins with animal rights activists, but there’s no comparison.

Finally, I’m a doctor and a scientist, still I fully embrace a person’s gender declaration, but that has no bearing on whether or not they get a prostate exam. You can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Honestly, I've read many of the things you've written on these boards, and I suspect that you're a lot like the anti-racist professor whose experience I posted on a previous page. You think it's not happening or that it isn't that bad because it hasn't happened to you yet. Wait until somebody tells you the scientific method and asking for evidence are racist practices. Even putting somebody on a scale or calculating their BMI is considered fat phobic and racist, and there are entire academic journals dedicated to these viewpoints. Things will really get bad if you acquire a co-worker or student with a personality disorder armed with these ideas.

GD wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

GD, you are clearly highly intelligent and well educated. Your observations about the anger in the country are spot on, and yes, the autocratic right and left are a danger to democracy and the truth.

What I think you are missing is that the US is a center right country, with a long history of a dangerous strain of right facing authoritarianism. In America to the extent that extremism exists in this nation, both past and present, it is 90% or more from the right than the left. Equating Jan 6th with whatever went down at Evergreen is like equating an assault rifle and a kitchen knife. It’s the same nonsense saying that antifa poses the same threat as the oath keepers, or better yet that antifa is like Trump using federal officers to clear Lafayette Square or his threats to send the military into our urban centers. I think cancel culture sucks and some of the tactics of the far left progressives deploy are distasteful, but there’s just no comparison to the looming threat from the authoritarian right. Who is the left equivalent of Tucker Carlson, for example. Fascist was given a prime time show on the most watched cable network. C’mon!!

Finally, I’m a professor at a leading academic medical center on a coast. So I guess I’m one of the elites you reference. I do science, I teach the younger students, I care for patients. My institution is devoted to the scientific method, to truth, to harm mitigation, to easing human suffering AND to social justice. Our students betray none of the traits or values you ascribe to them. From my perspective, the threat to science and the truth are almost exclusively from the right and not the left. It’s the right that bars us from researching gun violence or interferes with our ability to work with certain cells. Yes, we have had some minor run ins with animal rights activists, but there’s no comparison.

Finally, I’m a doctor and a scientist, still I fully embrace a person’s gender declaration, but that has no bearing on whether or not they get a prostate exam. You can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Honestly, I've read many of the things you've written on these boards, and I suspect that you're a lot like the anti-racist professor whose experience I posted on a previous page. You think it's not happening or that it isn't that bad because it hasn't happened to you yet. Wait until somebody tells you the scientific method and asking for evidence are racist practices. Even putting somebody on a scale or calculating their BMI is considered fat phobic and racist, and there are entire academic journals dedicated to these viewpoints. Things will really get bad if you acquire a co-worker or student with a personality disorder armed with these ideas.

Punkton Upon Thames wrote:

agip wrote:

Well sure we all do. But I’ve been around long enough to know how tribal people are, and how easily they get whipped up by trumpy type politicians.

remember that analysis of where the j6 rioters came from? Mostly from places with quickly declining white populations. They feel they are losing their nation and went to dc to take it back.
the klan and proud boys knew trump represented racial politics in effect and saw him as one of their own.

No, I don't recall that analysis of where the January 6th rioters came from. And I don't know what areas you believe have "quickly declining white populations." And I'd be highly suspicious of the methodology and definitions in any analysis/study that says it somehow linked the two.

I agree people have always been tribal (and it's not always a bad thing either). In the US over the last 70 years, I think the tribalism is largely political and/or religious, and less and less racial to the point where there hardly is any such tribalism left (especially in the demographic you say is practicing it). And I disagree with the Trumpers=racist meme you're posting, which never seems to comport with the reality I see every day, or the significant changes I have seen in the country since growing up inner city in the 70s.