I actually believe the school that offered victim 1 should offer again and help break her out of the cult. It would take a lot of maneuvering but getting her out of that town and far far away from Nick is the only solution at this point
There are no unanswered questions behind that rationale actually. Any normal adult knows a 16 year old (at the time) or 18 year old has no ability to determine that for themselves. She was victim of grooming. It’s all right there. Her rationale is based on youthful ignorance and brainwashing by nick.
There are no unanswered questions behind that rationale actually. Any normal adult knows a 16 year old (at the time) or 18 year old has no ability to determine that for themselves. She was victim of grooming. It’s all right there. Her rationale is based on youthful ignorance and brainwashing by nick.
^^Especially a 16 year old who doesn't have the adequate parenting to deter her from all of this.
I actually believe the school that offered victim 1 should offer again and help break her out of the cult. It would take a lot of maneuvering but getting her out of that town and far far away from Nick is the only solution at this point
Even though she has gotten in the way a lot from helping things progress, I feel kinda bad for Victim1 because... well, she's a victim even if she doesn't know it yet. Unfortunately, I think it is pretty safe to say that wherever the Johnson's go, she will go, too. So, the best thing for her, though it would be quite rough for a time, would to get popped for the PED use in such a way that she could never compete again (at least at the higher levels). The Johnsons commitment to her would likely fade, and then over time, she might be able to see things a little more clearly. If that is the best outcome for her... ouch.
You feel “kinda bad” for a girl who likely started being groomed at age 14 or 15, started being molested by age 16, potentially unknowingly had PEDs injected into her body, hasn’t had the necessary adult support in her life to help her get out of it, and is very likely still being abused? How very empathetic of you
I actually believe the school that offered victim 1 should offer again and help break her out of the cult. It would take a lot of maneuvering but getting her out of that town and far far away from Nick is the only solution at this point
Even though she has gotten in the way a lot from helping things progress, I feel kinda bad for Victim1 because... well, she's a victim even if she doesn't know it yet. Unfortunately, I think it is pretty safe to say that wherever the Johnson's go, she will go, too. So, the best thing for her, though it would be quite rough for a time, would to get popped for the PED use in such a way that she could never compete again (at least at the higher levels). The Johnsons commitment to her would likely fade, and then over time, she might be able to see things a little more clearly. If that is the best outcome for her... ouch.
The best thing for her would be for the Johnsons and all others involved to be held accountable and ordered to never see or interact with her ever again, followed by extensive therapy to help her process this terrible trauma so she can become a healthy adult capable of having healthy relationships.
Everything else, including running, is not important until there is accountability and help provided.
Yep. There was clearly grooming and manipulation and corrupting a youth. But with that there was also a calculation made by the athlete that staying with the Johnsons and benefitting from their "training" methods was something she could not obtain elsewhere and she was not willing to part with it.
Even though she has gotten in the way a lot from helping things progress, I feel kinda bad for Victim1 because... well, she's a victim even if she doesn't know it yet.
This just reveals how out of touch you are with the consensus opinions on this thread. You say that as if it’s going to be surprising. OF COURSE you should feel bad for Victim 1.
Different subject, and let me say I feel a little petty for singling out a fairly explicit excerpt from the police report—I did my civic duty and emailed the HU AD and president before the XC coaches page was updated yesterday, FWIW.
A detective asks Victim 1 if sexual activity in the hotel in Oregon brought her to orgasm/if she’d ever had an orgasm before. Victim 1 says no and no, and explains with absolute trust that Johnson told her he did not want it to go that far, because, he said, it feels so good for a woman to orgasm that Victim 1 would thereafter desperately desire to experience that feeling again and again. To me as an adult male that reeks so much of a failed perverse attempt at reverse psychology.
Actually, I would like to apologize (sincerely) for my last post. It was completely unnecessary. Apologies.
I am a bit frustrated that it does not appear that the efforts to gain traction on this topic with the public at large are happening, and I am a little pessimistic about reaching the overall outcomes we all want. Huntington might let LJ and Hines go (but even that doesn't appear to be all that likely at this point). That's probably it.
At this point, the young lady victim 1 is perhaps an enabler too. Harsh yes, but not out of the question, only because she has been corrupted that badly, so victim and enabler. Will she ever recover? Who knows? Her childhood/ upbringing is apparently against her, and so seem her inclinations thus far. I think if she does recover, on the way, she will have to deal with the question, who wouldn't have been hurt if I acted differently?
Why do people have a problem with this? Seriously, no flame just what's your rationale for no responsibility for victim1? Lots of young people are held responsible despite bad families and grooming. What if she was a male from a ghetto life, initiated into a gang at 14 and robbed old people at 17 or 18?
Exactly what did Victim1 do so far to harm people? Did she kidnap anyone? Did she inject anyone with PEDS against their will? Did she rob old people?
I think the one person who wouldn't have been hurt if she had the support from adults around her to empower her to make choices that would have gotten her out of an abusive situation is Victim 1.
You are getting the downvotes, Everydog, because this thread is completely rife with tribalism, groupthink, and mob rule somehow thinking that this is somehow going to assist the goal of making the bad people pay (when it ironically will have the opposite affect). There appears to be a strange inability to understand any semblance of nuance or critical thinking. It's just 100% the Johnsons and administration are the baddies (well, DUH!!!! SO OBVIOUSLY SO!) and everyone else was as pure as driven snow or had no ability whatsoever to defend the actions of the dark force. To me, it smacks of ageism and sexism to think that young female adults are so utterly powerless and incapable to think for themselves. I mean, seriously, if your child is this woefully unprepared and easy prey for wolves in sheep's clothing, hold off on sending them to college. Is that idea just too much for some here to handle? Apparently so! lol. And, here's a free bonus tip... have a sitdown with your soon-to-be collegiate running princess and tell them that if their coach makes advances, they should say "No" and then report it. Wringing your hands and hoping that something bad doesn't happen isn't the best strategy.
Just as a thought exercise, and I am just making this up, but it should be easy to envision (but I don't know).... imagine you're a guy on the cross team and you start dating this girl who is on the girls' team who, let's say, is one year ahead of you in school. Things are going well, and you get engaged, and then married! But, then you find out that it turns out that while you were engaged, she had been knockin' boots with your coach. Now, of course, you hate your coach - he's worse than scum. OF COURSE HE IS - DUH! But, I think it might also be likely that you end up splitting up because you think that maybe... just maybe... your wife should've known better than to 2-time you even though the coach is just so dang charismatic and irresistible to the women. Would it be wrong of you to think that perhaps... some crazy spitballing here... she, too, was in the wrong? Or, can there only be one wrong person doing immoral things (rolls eyes)? If your coach raped her, you'd absolutely be out for blood at that time, correct? But, if it was an affair, you'd dump her and move on.
Many people on this thread are acting like tools if they can't understand these basic concepts. Blinded homer white knighters. Tribalism. Groupthink. Cavemen.
This might not be simply Nassar-esque. It might be a mash-up of Nassar meets Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
As an aside, espn put out an article. It's already watered-down. What a disappointment.
Huntington University in northeastern Indiana placed its women's cross country head coach and an assistant on leave after two former runners claimed in a federal lawsuit they were doped and sexually assaulted.
You are getting the downvotes, Everydog, because this thread is completely rife with tribalism, groupthink, and mob rule somehow thinking that this is somehow going to assist the goal of making the bad people pay (when it ironically will have the opposite affect). There appears to be a strange inability to understand any semblance of nuance or critical thinking. It's just 100% the Johnsons and administration are the baddies (well, DUH!!!! SO OBVIOUSLY SO!) and everyone else was as pure as driven snow or had no ability whatsoever to defend the actions of the dark force. To me, it smacks of ageism and sexism to think that young female adults are so utterly powerless and incapable to think for themselves. I mean, seriously, if your child is this woefully unprepared and easy prey for wolves in sheep's clothing, hold off on sending them to college. Is that idea just too much for some here to handle? Apparently so! lol. And, here's a free bonus tip... have a sitdown with your soon-to-be collegiate running princess and tell them that if their coach makes advances, they should say "No" and then report it. Wringing your hands and hoping that something bad doesn't happen isn't the best strategy.
Just as a thought exercise, and I am just making this up, but it should be easy to envision (but I don't know).... imagine you're a guy on the cross team and you start dating this girl who is on the girls' team who, let's say, is one year ahead of you in school. Things are going well, and you get engaged, and then married! But, then you find out that it turns out that while you were engaged, she had been knockin' boots with your coach. Now, of course, you hate your coach - he's worse than scum. OF COURSE HE IS - DUH! But, I think it might also be likely that you end up splitting up because you think that maybe... just maybe... your wife should've known better than to 2-time you even though the coach is just so dang charismatic and irresistible to the women. Would it be wrong of you to think that perhaps... some crazy spitballing here... she, too, was in the wrong? Or, can there only be one wrong person doing immoral things (rolls eyes)? If your coach raped her, you'd absolutely be out for blood at that time, correct? But, if it was an affair, you'd dump her and move on.
Many people on this thread are acting like tools if they can't understand these basic concepts. Blinded homer white knighters. Tribalism. Groupthink. Cavemen.
This might not be simply Nassar-esque. It might be a mash-up of Nassar meets Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
As an aside, espn put out an article. It's already watered-down. What a disappointment.
It’s 9pm in Indiana and Nick is 5 drinks deep. While it is clear to him, in his drunken stupor, that he making sense, it mostly looks to others like a lunatic found a keyboard. Lauren asks him for the 10th time to stop posting on letsrun, but when has she ever been able to tell him anything?
At this point, the young lady victim 1 is perhaps an enabler too. Harsh yes, but not out of the question, only because she has been corrupted that badly, so victim and enabler. Will she ever recover? Who knows? Her childhood/ upbringing is apparently against her, and so seem her inclinations thus far. I think if she does recover, on the way, she will have to deal with the question, who wouldn't have been hurt if I acted differently?
Why do people have a problem with this? Seriously, no flame just what's your rationale for no responsibility for victim1? Lots of young people are held responsible despite bad families and grooming. What if she was a male from a ghetto life, initiated into a gang at 14 and robbed old people at 17 or 18?
As pointed out in the original thread this: Stockholm Syndrome
You are getting the downvotes, Everydog, because this thread is completely rife with tribalism, groupthink, and mob rule somehow thinking that this is somehow going to assist the goal of making the bad people pay (when it ironically will have the opposite affect). There appears to be a strange inability to understand any semblance of nuance or critical thinking. It's just 100% the Johnsons and administration are the baddies (well, DUH!!!! SO OBVIOUSLY SO!) and everyone else was as pure as driven snow or had no ability whatsoever to defend the actions of the dark force. To me, it smacks of ageism and sexism to think that young female adults are so utterly powerless and incapable to think for themselves. I mean, seriously, if your child is this woefully unprepared and easy prey for wolves in sheep's clothing, hold off on sending them to college. Is that idea just too much for some here to handle? Apparently so! lol. And, here's a free bonus tip... have a sitdown with your soon-to-be collegiate running princess and tell them that if their coach makes advances, they should say "No" and then report it. Wringing your hands and hoping that something bad doesn't happen isn't the best strategy.
Just as a thought exercise, and I am just making this up, but it should be easy to envision (but I don't know).... imagine you're a guy on the cross team and you start dating this girl who is on the girls' team who, let's say, is one year ahead of you in school. Things are going well, and you get engaged, and then married! But, then you find out that it turns out that while you were engaged, she had been knockin' boots with your coach. Now, of course, you hate your coach - he's worse than scum. OF COURSE HE IS - DUH! But, I think it might also be likely that you end up splitting up because you think that maybe... just maybe... your wife should've known better than to 2-time you even though the coach is just so dang charismatic and irresistible to the women. Would it be wrong of you to think that perhaps... some crazy spitballing here... she, too, was in the wrong? Or, can there only be one wrong person doing immoral things (rolls eyes)? If your coach raped her, you'd absolutely be out for blood at that time, correct? But, if it was an affair, you'd dump her and move on.
Many people on this thread are acting like tools if they can't understand these basic concepts. Blinded homer white knighters. Tribalism. Groupthink. Cavemen.
This might not be simply Nassar-esque. It might be a mash-up of Nassar meets Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
As an aside, espn put out an article. It's already watered-down. What a disappointment.
