If electric cars are really better, why do you need to ban gasoline cars?

Forever is a long time. I don’t think California’s line in the sand of 2035 is realistic, the transition away from ICE to EVs will happen. Oil is a much more limited commodity than renewable sources of energy.

Maybe some day. But Tesla is way ahead right now for most use cases.

For certain use cases, there are better choices than a Tesla today.

Tesla doesn't start making trucks until next year. Time will tell if the Cybertruck is as good as the Rivian R1T or the Ford F150 Lighting.

If you need a cargo van, Tesla doesn't make those yet. I think your only choice for a cargo van EV in the US is the Ford E-Transit.

You can find an EV that's cheaper than a Tesla. So if you are extremely price-sensitive, a cheaper EV might be the way to go.

For off-roading, the Rivian R1S or R1T is your best bet. Again, that might no longer be true next year when Tesla starts making the Cybertruck.

There is one EV with longer range than a Tesla. That's the Lucid Air. But that one is a lot more expensive than a Tesla.

Oh oh, this is bad. REALLY bad.

Angry Tesla Owners Go on Hunger Strike Over Quality Problems

Many of the owners' complaints aren't exactly new. For example, just a few of the major issues noted are poor paint quality, rust, inability to meet claimed battery life, failing heat pumps, stuck door handles in the cold, and yellowing infotainment screens (that Tesla told the NHTSA were only meant to last "5-6 years" anyway).

Other issues can be found easily on owners' forums. For example, issues with the car's lights, bubbling seats, water collecting in the trunk, loose trim pieces, and reduced power. Another complaint is simply that "autopilot does not work properly." While this statement is rather broad, it's something that many can understand given the number of recent complaints against Tesla's partially automated driving software. In fact, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration even opened up an engineering analysis on the technology, which is a prerequisite step to the agency asking an automaker to issue a recall.

another huge issue preventing owners from having their vehicles perform to their expectations involves the customer service side of the company. Owners say that they spend an inordinate amount of time waiting on hold to actually speak with someone from Tesla and that they never receive a call back when promised. The Drive has heard similar complaints from U.S. owners, specifically from one who recently was unable to drive their car for six months because Tesla's botched paperwork rendered them unable to register their vehicle.

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Angry Tesla Owners Go on Hunger Strike Over Quality Problems

Rob Stumpf

Tesla owners in Norway are tired of problems with their Tesla cars and the company's after-sales support, so they are having a hunger strike.

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So some Norwegians are upset?

All cars have issues and customer complaints. And people love to complain. But I can spot some BS in this article.

First of all, the Tesla body is aluminum, which doesn't rust. Very few parts on a Tesla could ever rust.

It says you can easily find complaints in online forums? Gee, is that possible?

NHTSA did not open the engineering analysis to issue a recall. That's pure BS. The analysis is for all automakers offering ADAS systems. They want to study these systems in order to set standards.

I don't know what Tesla service is like in Norway, but my one experience with Tesla service was excellent. In the rare event that you need work done on your car, they will come to your home or office at no extra charge.

If you really think Tesla quality is bad then you are a moron for owning Tesla stock.

If I had not driven a Mach-e when I was looking for an EV, I probably would have ended up with a Tesla. After I drove both of them, it was obvious that my Mach-e was a much better vehicle compared to Teslas.

If you drove a Mach-e, you’d order one and put your Tesla on the market as soon as you could. It’s that much better of a vehicle. Two friends of mine who have Teslas, ordered Mach-es after driving and riding in mine. They’ll sell their Teslas as soon as their orders come in. And it’s not even the best EV out there.

The Mach-e is better.

That’s why Tesla owners really want a drain plug in the frunk. Lol

Cool you just keep posting generalizations. I'm kind of with the Mach-E guy, you should just stop.

As I said before, it depends on the car. You buy a used reliable gas car, you'll have less "total cost of ownership"

Or he bought a dependable car.

Well minus the price tag. And if you're trying to protect the environment, might as well get something that's already been made. Full stop.

You looked at their stock lately? Ha

Unless this has changed in the past year or so, Nowegians have the highest per capita EV ownership in the world, kind of ironic given how much of their wealth comes from oil. But 90% of Norwegians who own EVs also own a conventional car. I think that's the combination now that makes most sense. For most kinds of driving an EV would work great but there are some kinds of driving, mostly long road trips, where having one seems a nuisance.

New car registrations in Norway are currently running above 80% battery EVs with the balance split between plug in hybrids, and conventional ICE. Norway's electric grid generation is overwhelmingly hydroelectric (>90%).

Which is to say the majority of their conventional ICE fleet is older cars still in service.

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Norwegian tax law incentivizes EVs.

Even if I thought the Mach-e drove better, I would definitely not give up my Tesla.

The Tesla does lots of things the Mach-e does not and I would not want to give up all those great features. The Tesla is far superior on road trips and it drives itself.

Ford even admits that it is playing catch-up to Tesla. Ford's CEO has said it. And the lead engineer for the Mach-e, Donna Dickson, has tacitly admitted this also.

Ford did a really good job with the Mach-e in a short time. But they have a lot to learn from Tesla, and they know it.

Several times in the following video, legendary automotive engineer Sandy Monroe talks to Dickson about Tesla's lead. To her credit, Dickson nods her head and doesn't try to dispute this. They both just acknowledge the facts as a good engineer should.

Dickson's message is:

1. We rushed the design because we wanted to get something out.

2. We are proud of what we accomplished.

3. We will continue to make improvements with each model year. (That's too slow if you want to catch Tesla though. They implement improvements all year long.)

That runs counter to the Tesla owner in Finland the dynamited his Tesla when it was too expensive to replace the battery.

Norway isn't the US or even California, but it's notable from the chart that EV sales went from ~10% to ~90% in less than a decade suggesting from experience that a transition can happen quite quickly on established technologies.

Yes, and I've made a bundle.

Yes, Norwegians still have the highest per capita EV ownership.

But most have not been buying EVs long enough to have replaced their second car yet.

Even in Norway, the EV revolution is a fairly new thing.