We have been clobbering each other before we had fire - and will probably be doing it in space - assuming we don’t similarly rationalize our own extinction first.
Geniuses here on LR figure tying a young man to a pole and beating him while filming is fine - if it’s a Ukrainian holding the camera. Or blowing out prisoners’ brains is copestic as long as they’re Russian grunts fertilizing the fields.
They’re war crimes, plain and simple. You need a long look in the mirror if you argue these things are OK.
“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.” - Nietzsche
Sure. Hand wring about Russian invaders being killed in self defense. You must be a nervous wreck 24/7 if this kind of violence gets you so worked up. I can't imagine how you must feel about the innocent people dying if the guilty ones cause this much angst.
You keep objecting to statements I never made, or positions I never supported.
I have not argued against killing Russians in self-defence or combat.
I’ve argued against killing and torturing POWs. Is that so hard?
Please quote where I defended mass murder. I did not.
You’re using smear to deflect rather than argue what’s inarguable - atrocity for atrocity.
I don't think this message board has a feature that allows you to quote all of a poster's posts. But pretending to be daft is an essential part of your silly little routine.
Sure. Hand wring about Russian invaders being killed in self defense. You must be a nervous wreck 24/7 if this kind of violence gets you so worked up. I can't imagine how you must feel about the innocent people dying if the guilty ones cause this much angst.
You keep objecting to statements I never made, or positions I never supported.
I have not argued against killing Russians in self-defence or combat.
I’ve argued against killing and torturing POWs. Is that so hard?
Plenty of worse behavior on the Russian side. Devoting outsize attention to a few Ukrainian misdeeds is standard contrarian BS. Oh look at your reason and nuance, excusing the Russians in every thread.
Specific Instructions to ancient biblical persons is not meant to be applicable to all persons for all time. They’re supposed historic record, not codices for devout living. Suggesting otherwise completely misunderstands New Testament.
You were the one that brought the bible up, right?
The bible is not meant to be specific if you understand it which I am guessing you do not? Are you one of those people that actually believe that every animal on Earth was placed on a boat during the flood? It's written in story form so the masses understand its message.
No sense in debating an idiot.
I’m an atheist.
But biblical reference provides a common moral touchstone, particularly as many of those rooting for world war 3 and presenting torture as sensible behaviour also seem to warm pews.
92% of Ukrainians are Christian and 71% of Americans are.
You keep objecting to statements I never made, or positions I never supported.
I have not argued against killing Russians in self-defence or combat.
I’ve argued against killing and torturing POWs. Is that so hard?
Plenty of worse behavior on the Russian side. Devoting outsize attention to a few Ukrainian misdeeds is standard contrarian BS. Oh look at your reason and nuance, excusing the Russians in every thread.
Again. Zero excuse has been provided by me for Russian actions.
I haven’t belaboured Russian misdeeds as the media and those here seem to be doing that non-stop already.
I’m challenging overly-simplistic and hypocritical good-vs-evil, us-vs-them interpretations of events lifted from historic context.
Please quote where I defended mass murder. I did not.
You’re using smear to deflect rather than argue what’s inarguable - atrocity for atrocity.
I don't think this message board has a feature that allows you to quote all of a poster's posts. But pretending to be daft is an essential part of your silly little routine.
All I had to do to make a point was to call those of another poster a “silly little routine” ?
Just popping in to check if anyone thinks it's not Ukraine's fault their gymnasium slash rocket launchpad got blown to bits.
Before you get all righteous, they obviously threw the civilians out first, but they're not saying that. They want you to think it was full of civilians and not rockets.
They tell these lies every day and you all eat them up like sugar, like crack cocaine, to get your fear/anger buzz. Releasing that sick feeling is the closest most of you ever get to a positive human emotion, so you're trapped in the cycle
I don't think this message board has a feature that allows you to quote all of a poster's posts. But pretending to be daft is an essential part of your silly little routine.
All I had to do to make a point was to call those of another poster a “silly little routine” ?
I missed that day studying logic at University.
I highly doubt you learned your "logic" in a university classroom.
Defending mass murder of civilians isn't easy, but you really do put in a lot of effort trying.
Plenty of worse behavior on the Russian side. Devoting outsize attention to a few Ukrainian misdeeds is standard contrarian BS. Oh look at your reason and nuance, excusing the Russians in every thread.
Again. Zero excuse has been provided by me for Russian actions.
I haven’t belaboured Russian misdeeds as the media and those here seem to be doing that non-stop already.
I’m challenging overly-simplistic and hypocritical good-vs-evil, us-vs-them interpretations of events lifted from historic context.
When one side murderously invades a neighbor it is OK, actually, to think one side is better than the other -- even if they both do bad things.
Complaining that people scrutinize a murderous aggressor over the embattled defenders is contrarianism and generally lame.
Just popping in to check if anyone thinks it's not Ukraine's fault their gymnasium slash rocket launchpad got blown to bits.
Before you get all righteous, they obviously threw the civilians out first, but they're not saying that. They want you to think it was full of civilians and not rockets.
They tell these lies every day and you all eat them up like sugar, like crack cocaine, to get your fear/anger buzz. Releasing that sick feeling is the closest most of you ever get to a positive human emotion, so you're trapped in the cycle
Military experts say a new generation of nuclear weapons has raised the risk that Mr. Putin might introduce less destructive atomic arms into the battlefields in and around Ukraine.
US intelligence was right about the invasion, I sure hope they aren’t right here that Putin would use a small tactical nuclear bomb (perhaps first over an unpopulated area) if his advances continue to be bogged down and his army continues to be embarrassed.
Civilians were killed, so we can justify or turn a blind eye to execution and torture?
All these things are wrong. One does not excuse the other.
It's a goddamn tragedy what's happening in the Ukraine. But it's far from unique.
Atrocity stops is when we stop finding reasons for it.
I'm not apologizing of any of it.
I'm pointing out sickening hypocrisy.
We are literally up in arms over civilian deaths in Mariupol, but were not for Snizhne in 2014 (etc.). If you care about one and not others, it shows it's not killing you're concerned about... just some killings. That speaks to agenda not morality.
Cvilians are currently being killed. The atrocity on both sides ends when the INVADERS leave.
I try to think of this as if an invading force came into my town and blew up everything including my wife and kids. They would get the full force of my rage.
You keep talking of the past. Why don't we talk about what the Romans did?
This is happening right now. The Russian soldiers by invading and killing innocent people that are being killed are getting exactly what they deserve. There is no camparing killing women and children to killing invading soldiers.
You are on the wrong side Ernest.
He's not on EITHER side. He's being HONEST. This idiotic binary thinking is what caused the war in the first place.
Russia has concerns and the west completely ignored them.
Acting as if EVERYONE in the world you disagree with is Darth Vader is completely foolish.
Cvilians are currently being killed. The atrocity on both sides ends when the INVADERS leave.
I try to think of this as if an invading force came into my town and blew up everything including my wife and kids. They would get the full force of my rage.
You keep talking of the past. Why don't we talk about what the Romans did?
This is happening right now. The Russian soldiers by invading and killing innocent people that are being killed are getting exactly what they deserve. There is no camparing killing women and children to killing invading soldiers.
You are on the wrong side Ernest.
He's not on EITHER side. He's being HONEST. This idiotic binary thinking is what caused the war in the first place.
Russia has concerns and the west completely ignored them.
Acting as if EVERYONE in the world you disagree with is Darth Vader is completely foolish.
I’m not sure how you can’t grasp that a sovereign nation has every right to determine the direction of their own country and which partnerships it wants to form. Invading a sovereign nation because you disagree with the partnerships they are considering and because of unspecified “corruption” is immoral. This is black and white and their is only one villain in this situation.
He's not on EITHER side. He's being HONEST. This idiotic binary thinking is what caused the war in the first place.
Russia has concerns and the west completely ignored them.
Acting as if EVERYONE in the world you disagree with is Darth Vader is completely foolish.
I’m not sure how you can’t grasp that a sovereign nation has every right to determine the direction of their own country and which partnerships it wants to form. Invading a sovereign nation because you disagree with the partnerships they are considering and because of unspecified “corruption” is immoral. This is black and white and their is only one villain in this situation.
You don't live in reality.
The UNITED STATES does not allow any nation in the Western Hemisphere to choose a government it does not like. The UNITED STATES has invaded and bombed half the world.
Honestly, tell me with a straight face that you can't understand how Russia can look at the last 40 years of American aggression all over the globe and not feel entitled to bully their own neighbor.
UKR military says that RU has less than a week of supplies remaining in the field and has no significant resupply chain set up.
The only RU tank mfgr has stopped assembling because it has no parts b/c sanctions.
Your good news for the morning.
Hard to trust anything the UKR military says due to their propaganda war.
In this case, what the UKR military is saying is consistent with what American military experts were saying about a week ago:
"I don't think we should overreact to this. The Russians, I think, are about ten days away from what is called the culminating point, when they just no longer have the ammunition nor the manpower to keep up their assault. I think we keep pouring it on, and the Russians culminate," he added.
I’m not sure how you can’t grasp that a sovereign nation has every right to determine the direction of their own country and which partnerships it wants to form. Invading a sovereign nation because you disagree with the partnerships they are considering and because of unspecified “corruption” is immoral. This is black and white and their is only one villain in this situation.
You don't live in reality.
The UNITED STATES does not allow any nation in the Western Hemisphere to choose a government it does not like. The UNITED STATES has invaded and bombed half the world.
Honestly, tell me with a straight face that you can't understand how Russia can look at the last 40 years of American aggression all over the globe and not feel entitled to bully their own neighbor.
The US toppled Ukraine's government. ON TAPE!
If Russia wanted to influence Ukraine through back channel support for the opposition, foment protests, or fiance militia groups opposed to the government then that would be wrong as well but not to the same degree. This invasion is wrong on all levels and Putin is the only villain. No amount of whataboutism is going to change that.
