Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Not a single thing you mentioned helps control the underlying costs of Health Care. It's all a shell game of how to pay for an unsustainable system resulting from Health Care being 1) a fee for service industry, 2) strictly third-party payment infested, and 3) with zero pricing transparency.

Until those three pillars of inefficiency are removed, everyone's wasting their time talking and typing about it. Complete waste of time. And neither party wants to fix it because it means job losses.

you are sort of right, except you left out the fact that the gov't can borrow all the money it wants to pay for healthcare.

I'm not denying that healthcare costs are the major problem - I'm just saying that expensive healthcare may be sustainable for a long long time. The urgency you speak of...just isn't there.

eric a blair wrote:

Non-value-added wrote:

Not a single thing you mentioned helps control the underlying costs of Health Care. It's all a shell game of how to pay for an unsustainable system resulting from Health Care being 1) a fee for service industry, 2) strictly third-party payment infested, and 3) with zero pricing transparency.

Until those three pillars of inefficiency are removed, everyone's wasting their time talking and typing about it. Complete waste of time. And neither party wants to fix it because it means job losses.

you are sort of right, except you left out the fact that the gov't can borrow all the money it wants to pay for healthcare.

I'm not denying that healthcare costs are the major problem - I'm just saying that expensive healthcare may be sustainable for a long long time. The urgency you speak of...just isn't there.

I disagree. The high cost of health care is sapping resources from our country in a huge way. It's killing us slowly and surely.

Medicare for all would immediately bring costs under control and give everyone access to high quality medical care. If it's good enough for the 65 and over crowd (and they do love it), it's good enough for everyone.

Fat hurts wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

you are sort of right, except you left out the fact that the gov't can borrow all the money it wants to pay for healthcare.

I'm not denying that healthcare costs are the major problem - I'm just saying that expensive healthcare may be sustainable for a long long time. The urgency you speak of...just isn't there.

I disagree. The high cost of health care is sapping resources from our country in a huge way. It's killing us slowly and surely.

Medicare for all would immediately bring costs under control and give everyone access to high quality medical care. If it's good enough for the 65 and over crowd (and they do love it), it's good enough for everyone.

can it be sapping 'in a huge way' but 'killing us slowly"?

we're just arguing how far down we are on the X axis to doom. I've found that rich nations tend to be able to avoid crises for a long long time.

I mean look at us the last few years - we spend more on healthcare than other countries...but we've had the best performing major economy for several years now. Does that fit in with the 'healthcare is killing us' thesis?

Non-value-added wrote:

Not a single thing you mentioned helps control the underlying costs of Health Care. It's all a shell game of how to pay for an unsustainable system resulting from Health Care being 1) a fee for service industry, 2) strictly third-party payment infested, and 3) with zero pricing transparency.

Until those three pillars of inefficiency are removed, everyone's wasting their time talking and typing about it. Complete waste of time. And neither party wants to fix it because it means job losses.

That's true. Except for the waste of time part.

What I wrote has an assumed average cost per person and a way for the nation to get together to make sure everyone has healthcare.

Healthcare costs are never static or steady. And they are not dependent on your income level.

They have to do with age, how your take care of yourself, plain old accidents and genetics, which is a real wild card.

Under basic health insurance a healthy low income earner actually subsidizes the care of a sick high earner assuming they pay similar premiums.

So any shell game you play with the costs as they are will be one group subsidizing another. No one ever pays for the exact amount of care they receive.

If you really want to lower the big underlying costs then just let people die when they get cancer instead of treating them. You'll save tons.

Sound like a plan?

Back to my original point - all of the Republican plans really suck and they need to work with the Democrats if they have hope of actually improving anything for the masses.

changing the subject, I think this is important. For the first time I am aware of, the gummint is going to look into trump's bizness dealings with russia.

I don't believe there is any real, actionable collusion between trump and russia in the election - I think the two sides agree on white nationalism, anti-islam, hatred of HRC, and the need to throw chaos into American politics, so they talked about such things. I don't think that is illegal or should be illegal.

but I have every confidence that trump has broken many laws in business, and who breaks more laws in business than the russians? If Graham is willing to subpeona info from the trump org, he will find money laundering, deals with mafias of all sorts, and no doubt some large loans held by people tied to russia.

God help me, but I trust senator graham. I hope he follows through.

"WASHINGTON, May 9 (Reuters) - U.S. Republican Senator Lindsey said he wants to examine fellow Republican President Donald Trump's business dealings for any ties to Russia, CNN reported on Tuesday, one day after the issue was raised at a Senate hearing.

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Graham said it would be helpful to see Trump's tax records but that it was too soon to say whether he would be willing to subpoena them, according to CNN.

Representatives for Graham could not be immediately reached to confirm the report or give more details. Representatives for the White House also could not be immediately reached."

Yeah, so apparently, the FBI Director was up on the hill lying during testimony.

Good grief.

Trump's most truthful statement: "I don't stand by anything".

It's killing us as in, "Individual are dying because they can't afford the high cost of health care."

But I agree with your point. As a nation, it's killing us slowly.

Though you might also argue that the rate at which it is killing us continues to speed up. Health care costs continue to rise much faster than inflation. There is nothing in Obamacare or in the Republican health plan that truly addresses the spiraling cost issue. It is unsustainable and I'm not sure that we can go on like this for another 10 years.

What everyone knows for sure, because it is impossible to make an arguement against, POShitlery was the worst candidate for POTUS in American History. A pile of maggot infest fecal matter is more qualified than POShitlery to hold office, any office. Anyone who voted for POShitlery is without a doubt a mouth breathing, booger eating, window licking dumb fck completely lacking of a functioning brain.

Glad we could all agree on that factoid.

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The best way to solve the behavioral problems is to give people price incentives to lead healthier lifestyles. That's what a market-based health care system is trying to achieve. The liberals only criticize the market-based solutions without presenting any viable alternatives.

I suspect 5 minutes of googling will disprove your market based theory. But I haven't the time - I have to go run.

I'd ask first if in the pre-obama care era, when tens of millions of people didn't have health insurance, if that 'market based' system kept people healthier. I doubt it.

And anyway, healthcare is not a free market. No way are we going to let a child die of mumps because his parents are poor. So your whole concept of a market based system is phony and theoretical.

Comey has been fired

I'm sure some morally dubious character who really hates muslims will take his job.

bet on it.

eric a blair wrote:

Comey has been fired

I'm sure some morally dubious character who really hates muslims will take his job.

bet on it.

I hope Comey is happy with himself. He threw the election to Trump, lied on the stand the other day, and now is fired. What a loser.

Shabazz wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

Comey has been fired

I'm sure some morally dubious character who really hates muslims will take his job.

bet on it.

I hope Comey is happy with himself. He threw the election to Trump, lied on the stand the other day, And now is fired. What a loser.

As if POShitlery ever had a chance at winning the election 😂😂😂😂

Shabitch you stupid fck 😂😂😂😂

Comey was a Clinton puppet covering up POShitlery crimes. Comey had it coming. Now to put the c u ntons in prison. 😎🇺🇸

Make America Great Again wrote:

The best way to solve the behavioral problems is to give people price incentives to lead healthier lifestyles. That's what a market-based health care system is trying to achieve. The liberals only criticize the market-based solutions without presenting any viable alternatives.

That would be truly hilarious if you actually believed that.

"I'm going for a run, Marge. I heard that the cost of heart surgery is gonna be going up 20% again next year. Can't afford that!"

"Sounds good, dear. We'll be having kale with garbanzo beans tonight for dinner. Gotta keep our insurance premiums down."

You're dumber than I thought. This isn't about Hillary, it's about the Trump - Russian connection. Don't worry, Ivanka will be the head of the FBI soon.

Comey definitely goofed. Trump won the general by such a narrow margin that it's pretty clear Comey's choice to reopen the investigation on Clinton swung things. On the flip side, going after Trump now over the Russian connection was a losing game.

That said, firing the guy who's investigating you (especially over perjury akin to--or lesser than--what Sessions and Kushner have had no trouble with) is not a good look.

For reference, Comey's misstatement to the senate appears to have been his claim that Weiner "received hundreds of thousands [of emails]" from Abedin when in reality he saw "a few." Using that as grounds to fire the guy is sketchy at best.

I am amazed how Trump supporters keep bringing up Hillary for Trump's failures. She lost the election. It has been over a long time now.

Trump does a great job keeping his base happy. I give him that.

I can kind of get Trump supporters who wanted him to be their guy who poked the establishment in the face. But he has been a failure if anyone voted for him based upon what he planned to do. Lock her up? Tax reform? Repeal and replace (good luck getting anything like what passed through the senate), he promised help with the opiate addiction problems but hasn't done anything there, his secret plan to get rid of ISIS - still waiting for it, the travel ban is not working out so well with his executive orders.