Trollminator wrote:
Rigged - Trump claimed that almost 3,000 did not die in Puerto Rico. Do you support his lie and conspiracy promotion? Just another easy question for you to avoid.
But Hillary!
Trollminator wrote:
Rigged - Trump claimed that almost 3,000 did not die in Puerto Rico. Do you support his lie and conspiracy promotion? Just another easy question for you to avoid.
But Hillary!
Trollminator wrote:
Rigged - Trump claimed that almost 3,000 did not die in Puerto Rico. Do you support his lie and conspiracy promotion? Just another easy question for you to avoid.
What tRump meant was they did not die during the hurricane. If they dies afterwards they don't count against him.
The same goes with his child separation mess: It is not his fault that the parents he forcibly deported have not come forth to claim their children. Never mind that the children he is holding only know their parents as mama and papa--no clue what their real names are.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
meh again
the russians have always flown bomber flights around alaska - it's standard operating procedure. we do the same thing in the baltic sea and elsewhere. this has been going on forever.
No not meh. It’s not about whether they do it or not, it’s that 1) they violate airspace norms with much mor frequency now and 2) we don’t even respond - not even verbally. This last one in Alaska for example, the last time they did it the bomber was alone, this time it was escorted by two fighter jets. We don’t even say anything. Now their massive military exercise - we don’t say anything. If it keeps becoming the norm and acceptable we keep losing leverage. This is how we fvcked up in Ukraine.
you'd have to prove to me that there has been a meaningful uptick, and that it isn't just a tit for tat response to say increased us patrols in the pacific and Baltic Sea. This stuff has been going on forever. You may be right, but you have to prove your assertion if you want to be credible. And the number of bomber flights is a very small sample anyway. Is there a real difference between 3 a month and 5 per month? I mean that's a 67% raise but only 2 missions.
Look, here's a paper from 2016 talking about increased Russian military flights. It mentions another uptick took place in 2011. it's a thing. It happens. Tying it to trump is a guess.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309605658_Russian_Air_Patrols_in_the_Arctic_Are_Long-Range_Bomber_Patrols_a_Challenge_to_Canadian_Security_and_SovereigntyAfter Hurricane Florence hits, the Socialists are going to hold back supplies and steal relief money, then claim Trump isn't helping out. They did the same thing Puerto Rico. Watch and see.
after deaths wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Rigged - Trump claimed that almost 3,000 did not die in Puerto Rico. Do you support his lie and conspiracy promotion? Just another easy question for you to avoid.
What tRump meant was they did not die during the hurricane. If they dies afterwards they don't count against him.
The same goes with his child separation mess: It is not his fault that the parents he forcibly deported have not come forth to claim their children. Never mind that the children he is holding only know their parents as mama and papa--no clue what their real names are.
dude, the trump admin had immigration people lie to the parents, saying the kids were getting baths, then they never returned the kids. They told the parent that they had to decide NOW or they would never see their kids again. The trump admin deported the parents. You think they can oh cough up another $1000 to jet on up to start searching for their kids, when the US freaking gov't has no idea where they are?
Stop with the evil sh*t. You are defending evil. Stop it.
I hate to politicize a natural disaster, but Trump has already done that with his idiotic comments about Puerto Rico. I believe that this hurricane might very well save the midterms for Trump.
I expect that the federal response will be very good this time. Despite the scandal of moving money away from FEMA and the Coast Guard, they will find new money and pour everything they can into disaster recovery.
Trump knows how to put on a reality show. It's right in his wheelhouse.
agip wrote:
after deaths wrote:
What tRump meant was they did not die during the hurricane. If they dies afterwards they don't count against him.
The same goes with his child separation mess: It is not his fault that the parents he forcibly deported have not come forth to claim their children. Never mind that the children he is holding only know their parents as mama and papa--no clue what their real names are.
dude, the trump admin had immigration people lie to the parents, saying the kids were getting baths, then they never returned the kids. They told the parent that they had to decide NOW or they would never see their kids again. The trump admin deported the parents. You think they can oh cough up another $1000 to jet on up to start searching for their kids, when the US freaking gov't has no idea where they are?
Stop with the evil sh*t. You are defending evil. Stop it.
I think "after deaths" was being sarcastic.
Fat hurts wrote:
I hate to politicize a natural disaster, but Trump has already done that with his idiotic comments about Puerto Rico. I believe that this hurricane might very well save the midterms for Trump.
I expect that the federal response will be very good this time. Despite the scandal of moving money away from FEMA and the Coast Guard, they will find new money and pour everything they can into disaster recovery.
Trump knows how to put on a reality show. It's right in his wheelhouse.
important to note that red states are being affected so they will get special tender loving care.
Fat hurts wrote:
agip wrote:
dude, the trump admin had immigration people lie to the parents, saying the kids were getting baths, then they never returned the kids. They told the parent that they had to decide NOW or they would never see their kids again. The trump admin deported the parents. You think they can oh cough up another $1000 to jet on up to start searching for their kids, when the US freaking gov't has no idea where they are?
Stop with the evil sh*t. You are defending evil. Stop it.
I think "after deaths" was being sarcastic.
whoops my bad. Sorry.
I'm typing angry today so my reading comprehension is weak
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I think "after deaths" was being sarcastic.
whoops my bad. Sorry.
I'm typing angry today so my reading comprehension is weak
He had me going too. I almost replied and then after I read it a second time I realized, "Hey, that's pretty good"
Black Rifles Matter wrote:
After Hurricane Florence hits, the Socialists are going to hold back supplies and steal relief money, then claim Trump isn't helping out. They did the same thing Puerto Rico. Watch and see.
Hey, it's Lying Gary! Back with more conspiracy theories.
Way to go, Lying Gary! Keep up the good work!.
///
Lying Gary
Sorry to break it to you, but it's all just a guess.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Like I said, anyone who criticizes Nate Silver is a moron.
I didn't need such quick supporting evidence, but I'll take it.
Nate subjectively didn't believe Trump had any chance in the primaries. I can understand that. As a liberal I proudly can never figure out how conservatives think, so I butcher the forecasts of their primaries all the time. That's been going on for a quarter century. It's really only become easy recently...since basically anyone who Trump backs wins.
Once Nate gets to the math and the relevant variables, nobody is close to him in terms of describing the layout of the race. He laughed at fellow progressives like Sam Wong who declared Hillary was 99% certain to win. Nate even used a curse word on twitter to deride Wong and others who were using that 98-99% range. Wong had to eat a bug on live television after the botched call.
If you want to condemn Sam Wong, I have no argument. His model is flawed. Too much emphasis on state polls. Conservatives have never heard of Sam Wong so they make fools of themselves by isolating the more well known guy in Nate Silver to ridicule.
Long term it is a losing proposition, just like trying to pretend that 46% is a victory...no need to change anything.
***
Let's get to this year. I'll paste some big picture quotes from Nate in a 538 chat in early August. Tips like this tend to play out accurately:
"natesilver: I’ve become somewhat convinced, though, that the Sun Belt path — e.g., picking up a ton of districts in states like Georgia and Texas — is a little overrated for Democrats.
For one thing, those aren’t the districts where they’ve performed all that well in special elections, as Nathaniel noted. But for another, they’re a bit redder than you’d gather from looking at presidential elections — both states are very red in state elections, for instance."
"natesilver: I mean, I think the Democrats’ gains are likely to be concentrated in (i) the Midwest, (ii) California, (iii) New York/New Jersey. Those three places, specifically."
"natesilver: The Russia stuff might move the dial among the Democratic base. And it likely contributes to Trump’s overall unpopularity.
Keep in mind, by the way, that most voters expected Clinton to win. So they may have elected Republicans to Congress expecting them to be a check on her. Since they got Trump instead, the balancing-type arguments could be especially powerful."
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/who-are-the-most-important-swing-voters-in-this-years-midterms/
agip wrote:
after deaths wrote:
What tRump meant was they did not die during the hurricane. If they dies afterwards they don't count against him.
The same goes with his child separation mess: It is not his fault that the parents he forcibly deported have not come forth to claim their children. Never mind that the children he is holding only know their parents as mama and papa--no clue what their real names are.
dude, the trump admin had immigration people lie to the parents, saying the kids were getting baths, then they never returned the kids. They told the parent that they had to decide NOW or they would never see their kids again. The trump admin deported the parents. You think they can oh cough up another $1000 to jet on up to start searching for their kids, when the US freaking gov't has no idea where they are?
Stop with the evil sh*t. You are defending evil. Stop it.
Dude, you have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems!
Try reading the post that you responded to again. Take your time. And take a deep breath first.
SMH
Hey Dude! wrote:
Black Rifles Matter wrote:
After Hurricane Florence hits, the Socialists are going to hold back supplies and steal relief money, then claim Trump isn't helping out. They did the same thing Puerto Rico. Watch and see.
Hey, it's Lying Gary! Back with more conspiracy theories.
Way to go, Lying Gary! Keep up the good work!.
///
Lying Gary
I think the answer to the PR response is somewhere in the middle. Some blame goes to the Federal response (FEMA not adequately prepared- supplies diverted to the USVI etc) and the PR local gov poor management (lack of greater than CAT 2 preparation).
However Trumps comments continue to F-things up
XY wrote:
Hey Dude! wrote:
Hey, it's Lying Gary! Back with more conspiracy theories.
Way to go, Lying Gary! Keep up the good work!.
///
Lying Gary
I think the answer to the PR response is somewhere in the middle. Some blame goes to the Federal response (FEMA not adequately prepared- supplies diverted to the USVI etc) and the PR local gov poor management (lack of greater than CAT 2 preparation).
However Trumps comments continue to F-things up
The WaPo already said Trump was to blame for Florence.
Baaaad Trump.
What the What wrote:
agip wrote:
dude, the trump admin had immigration people lie to the parents, saying the kids were getting baths, then they never returned the kids. They told the parent that they had to decide NOW or they would never see their kids again. The trump admin deported the parents. You think they can oh cough up another $1000 to jet on up to start searching for their kids, when the US freaking gov't has no idea where they are?
Stop with the evil sh*t. You are defending evil. Stop it.
Dude, you have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems!
Try reading the post that you responded to again. Take your time. And take a deep breath first.
SMH
You are right, and I'd add that you have SERIOUS quick scanning problems!
I apologized above, several moons ago.
agip wrote:
What the What wrote:
Dude, you have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems!
Try reading the post that you responded to again. Take your time. And take a deep breath first.
SMH
You are right, and I'd add that you have SERIOUS quick scanning problems!
I apologized above, several moons ago.
meh
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
No not meh. It’s not about whether they do it or not, it’s that 1) they violate airspace norms with much mor frequency now and 2) we don’t even respond - not even verbally. This last one in Alaska for example, the last time they did it the bomber was alone, this time it was escorted by two fighter jets. We don’t even say anything. Now their massive military exercise - we don’t say anything. If it keeps becoming the norm and acceptable we keep losing leverage. This is how we fvcked up in Ukraine.
you'd have to prove to me that there has been a meaningful uptick, and that it isn't just a tit for tat response to say increased us patrols in the pacific and Baltic Sea. This stuff has been going on forever. You may be right, but you have to prove your assertion if you want to be credible. And the number of bomber flights is a very small sample anyway. Is there a real difference between 3 a month and 5 per month? I mean that's a 67% raise but only 2 missions.
Look, here's a paper from 2016 talking about increased Russian military flights. It mentions another uptick took place in 2011. it's a thing. It happens. Tying it to trump is a guess.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309605658_Russian_Air_Patrols_in_the_Arctic_Are_Long-Range_Bomber_Patrols_a_Challenge_to_Canadian_Security_and_Sovereignty
Not tying it to trump. I’m saying Putin took Crimea because he sensed nothing would stop him. A big part of that was weakness from our leadership - we had the intel and knew they were building up forces to do it, but we mostly kept quiet. So if annexation happened when we had a leader that at least spoke out once in a while why shouldn’t it happen with a Putin sympathizer in the WH? I keep thinking about Trump’s response to an actual aggression with a bordering or nearby country, like Estonia.
agip wrote:
What the What wrote:
Dude, you have some SERIOUS reading comprehension problems!
Try reading the post that you responded to again. Take your time. And take a deep breath first.
SMH
You are right, and I'd add that you have SERIOUS quick scanning problems!
I apologized above, several moons ago.
I guess "my bad" is what passes for an apology from Millennials these days.
smh
Awsi Dooger wrote:
I can understand that. As a liberal I proudly can never figure out how conservatives think.
You nailed it. Most leftists are so brainwashed by the media and school system that they "can't figure out how conservatives think." While I disagree with leftists on a lot of things (abortion, socialism), I agree with them on many more things (anti-death penalty, I'm pro gay marriage, pro environment). By the way, you're a leftist, not a liberal. Liberals stand for free speech, tolerance of others, and are against censorship, against illegal government spying, against FBI/police state tactics, against consolidated media -- all the things you (and flagpole, LL, agip, etc) defend. You're a leftist.
I don't really believe you "can't figure out" how people of different opinions think. I believe you are so brainwashed and so intolerant that anyone who disagrees is a racist/nazi/fascist/xenophobe, etc. Leftists are taught to hate anyone who does not march lockstep with them. You are taught this by the school system, by facebook, by MSM, by Google's censorship, by Twitter's censorship. Sheer, unadulterated hatred. Just look at the Google meeting that was released yesterday by Breitbart. Most of that company was having a meltdown over Trump's victory. Makes you wonder why they are so frightened. No more clandestine meetings with Obama in the White House, getting called out on the censorship of dissenting opinions (fascism anyone?), no more controlling the information we receive. Mind control. That's what they want, that's what makes them filthy rich. As the Soviets would call you, you're the "useful idiots."
We won't go to our "re-education camps" without a fight.