Tim Grose’s video from today is a good breakdown of the YouTuber prospects.
Towards the end, he says something about a ‘YouTuber that I can’t name’, who he’s not included in his analysis. Any idea what that’s about? Can’t believe Tim has fallen out with anyone as he seems a genuine chap to me, or maybe another YouTuber got upset about his analysis videos in the past? I don’t know.
Tim’s annual London prospect video is the GOAT running YouTube content. Legend
Tim Grose’s video from today is a good breakdown of the YouTuber prospects.
Towards the end, he says something about a ‘YouTuber that I can’t name’, who he’s not included in his analysis. Any idea what that’s about? Can’t believe Tim has fallen out with anyone as he seems a genuine chap to me, or maybe another YouTuber got upset about his analysis videos in the past? I don’t know.
Tim’s annual London prospect video is the GOAT running YouTube content. Legend
Good stuff from Tim as always. I found it quite interesting to see the difference in average pace with Nick Bester and Cole Running at around 6:30 p/m and Philly at 7:25 p/m. I see Cole does a lot of LT1 and steady running and Nick seems to run all his easy runs at 6:30ish pace.
But there is pro runners on Strava like John Korir who run at a snail pace in comparison and even Conner Mantz and Clayton Young are running slower than these guys. Don’t really know what point I am trying to make here or if anyone can explain the disparity. Could it be for Strava kudos or do elite runners with higher vo2max not need to push it so much in training?
Tim’s annual London prospect video is the GOAT running YouTube content. Legend
Good stuff from Tim as always. I found it quite interesting to see the difference in average pace with Nick Bester and Cole Running at around 6:30 p/m and Philly at 7:25 p/m. I see Cole does a lot of LT1 and steady running and Nick seems to run all his easy runs at 6:30ish pace.
But there is pro runners on Strava like John Korir who run at a snail pace in comparison and even Conner Mantz and Clayton Young are running slower than these guys. Don’t really know what point I am trying to make here or if anyone can explain the disparity. Could it be for Strava kudos or do elite runners with higher vo2max not need to push it so much in training?
They also run similar milage to the likes of Jacob Kiplimo. There could be many reasons why they do it. Perhaps, as they are not pros, it's just fun to run slightly faster. They will see more engagement also; the currency of these content creators.
I do feel Nick could do with slowing down though - it would allow him to attack his workouts.
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Think you have sussed it :) Besides the video this year was more geared to the sort of runners we really like to talk about here - i.e. quite good!
Average training paces I always find give me a clue to overall training and fitness. When I did 2:33 20 years ago I did about 7:10. When I did 2:59 2 years ago then, of course, somewhat older it was more like 8:10 so my race pace and training pace came down together "naturally".
Phily will be likely to be slower being in Flagstaff than near London and same goes for much of Ben Felton's time in Kenya. I always find it interesting Ben Parkes can "jog" 7:00 min miles. When I tried this the other day I thought was going "fast" !!!
Sure we all guilty at times of thinking easy pace is really steady. Often I get "bored" running "slow" and want to get on a bit. Problem now is that it all "looks" slow :)
I've run Boston three times, including this year. The free Sam Adams coupon and assorted gels aside, where are you walking to get $500 of "at least tshirts, hats, water bottles, bags, clam chowder?"
Puma had an event giving away the Fast R 3s. Hoka was also giving away some shoes. On had "free race day gear" and was giving away Coffee Club tshirts too. Tracksmith has the race pack with hats and a tote, or at least they used to. Brooks had a free tote. Believe in the Run was giving out corduroy hats. Free chowder was at Legal Sea Foods. I'm missing a ton and was facetious about the $500, but there was a crap ton of free stuff given out over the weekend.
One of the reasons I didn’t run Boston this year was how disgusted I felt watching people claw and fight over free and exclusive stuff on Newberry the past few years.
The other two are used to be nurtured round by cheer squads.
They're 1:08/9 half guys. Coles 1:05.
Cole slogs out icy cross country on the Kent scene, they don't even do cross country. No fortitude.
Cole frontruns winter races on his own down here.
They've had the big city marathon hype before, it'll be new to Cole, and he can draw on it more.
Bester a 32 10km guy. Cole 29min
Cole will drop the hammer at 30-35k and make them look wallys. Trust me.
Didn’t Ben Felton run 66:xx in Barcelona earlier this year?
The big city marathon hype comment is interesting. I think an extroverted person would thrive off it whereas an introverted person may find it daunting especially if they are struggling. Never met Cole but seems to have a much different personality to Nick Bester.
Anyway I think experience counts in the marathon and wouldn’t be surprised if Bester is the quickest even if he is the least talented.
Long knew AG1 had a strong commission-based model, but had no idea the influencer's take could be as high as 50 percent. Explains the sheer number of them pushing the stuff so hard.
Thanks for the insight, Andy. Much applause for being skeptical of model.
If Bester plays it smart and doesn’t stray from his goal of 2:19:30 or even realises a warm day in London isn’t the same as a cold day in Berlin and just shoots for a 2:21/2 from the off, he might win this YouTube duel yet.
It seems like Cole has been goaded by Felton’s public declaration of shooting for 2:18 by doing the same himself. For weeks he has said 2:20 is the plan and he’s sticking with it for his first marathon. Feels like there’s a real chance both blow up.
Cole definitely has a sub 2:18 in him but he lacks experience and seems pretty blasé about the weather. Felton seems unrealistic with a 2:18 goal (hope he proves me wrong, like him and Bester did so magnificently to Braincell last year) but taking 6 minutes off his PB in one go seems a big ask.
Feels like both would be better off aiming for 2:19:59 and getting that sub 2:20 under the belt. Plenty of time for them to improve on that in the future.
What odds on Philly Bowden to beat at least 1 of the 3? Think Bester is experienced enough to know he has no chance of 2:18 pace on Sunday which could work in his favour. he’s the least talented of the three for sure but wonder if he’s got the most grit.
Alex yee also talking about 2:05 pace… will be an interesting watch for sure.
Think all of them will need the resilience of RanToJapan. How he kept it together enough to still get 2:14 in Tokyo was wild
Bester isn't going for 2:19:30, he's said in his videos he's going for 2:18:00 (probably Matt Fox inspired), or in his words "69:00 at half way then pick it up for a 2:18" ... idk...
Alex Yee isn't going for 2:05 pace, idk where you got that from. He's publicly stated in interviews that he's torn between the 2:08 paced group or 2:10 pace group because he wanted 2:09:00. From talking to his club mates he's told them 2:09:30-2:09:45, so presumably the latter group now.
Philly will beat none of them (apart from DNFs) because the Elite Women are going to have a seriously lonely day with how many have now dropped out from starting, leaving the others to run solo at their respective paces, without pacers or male club runners around them. I do feel for them.
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