Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

I should have added a reason why Ivanka is most likely. She saw the deterioration of her grandfather first hand. She is seeing the same happening with her father, and happening at a similar age. She wants dad to quit the job in the hope that the reduced stress will slow the worsening mental issues.

Javanka wrote:

I should have added a reason why Ivanka is most likely. She saw the deterioration of her grandfather first hand. She is seeing the same happening with her father, and happening at a similar age. She wants dad to quit the job in the hope that the reduced stress will slow the worsening mental issues.

It is being reported that it is a man. Could be wrong, but that's what is being said currently.

Here is he Detroit News reprint of the Op Ed piece:

Alex Jones reveals who the NYT "anonymous source" is

https://www.infowars.com/white-house-anonymous-resistance-source-revealed/

jamin wrote:

Alex Jones reveals who the NYT "anonymous source" is

0/10

You are not supposed to post here under the "Jamin" troll handle.

LODESTAR wrote:

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

Anyone who chooses to believe that the NY Times would fake something like this is an idiot. These bad times are getting bigly. The Deep State is real and it is Trump's own administration; there has been a semi-coup to "protect" Americans from a raving lunatic's worst impulses. These anonymous sources should come forward and impeachment proceedings against Trump should begin immediately.

The word is that the anonymous author is likely Mike Pence.

That would be genius!

L L wrote:

I am not a follower of Flagpole’s and I do not praise his words.

He’s a blow hard.

And I am politically to the left of him.

I think state college should be tuition free and he doesn’t.

But we are both in total agreement that Trump is a disaster.

Though where he keeps saying Trump is done, I’ve given a specific description and time frame of when he will be out.

My guess will probably be wrong. Its like picking any one team to win the Super Bowl before the season starts.

And we really agree on the list of things that Trump has done wrong.

Personally, I am concerned about all of the Trump apologists.

If state college is “free” who’s ultimately paying for it?

Wouldn’t this water down the college degree even more than it is now?

Many degrees are useless pieces of paper as it is.

Alan

DEEP STATE!!!!!!!

Good morning! How are all you LRC stable geniuses doing this fine am?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/07/12/trump-speaks-after-nato-summit-stable-genius-newday-vpx.cnn

L L wrote:

I am not a follower of Flagpole’s and I do not praise his words.

He’s a blow hard.

And I am politically to the left of him.

I think state college should be tuition free and he doesn’t.

But we are both in total agreement that Trump is a disaster.

Though where he keeps saying Trump is done, I’ve given a specific description and time frame of when he will be out.

My guess will probably be wrong. Its like picking any one team to win the Super Bowl before the season starts.

And we really agree on the list of things that Trump has done wrong.

Personally, I am concerned about all of the Trump apologists.

Alan beat me to it.

Yes, Flagpole is a blowhard, no argument there. Calling him desperate for attention would be considered a compliment.

You have every right to your views, but this is my problem with far left people. You want free tuition for state College. How?

I want a lot of things for people, but it's not feasible. For you to hope that a politician will get in Office, want that to happen as well and run on that hope, and for it to actually happen is not being realistic. Honestly, you are a far smart enough person to know that.

My point is that you know 100% that it'll never happen. Look at a State like Michigan. They always have problems with their budget and it always goes down to crunch time. The roads are horrible. Where would the money come from to fund that without Federal help? It's not going to happen.

Please watch this video. Never mind that it's from Fox. I'd watch it regardless of the source. I was literally embarrassed for this girl and Neil was super nice to her. Then look up her background and you'll be surprised.

The money isn't there nor is it for many of the other free ideas being thrown about. Yes, the government has wasted BILLIONS of dollars on BOTH sides for crap projects where someone's palm was greased, but... they won't be held accountable and never have.

Runningart2004 wrote:

If state college is “free” who’s ultimately paying for it?

Wouldn’t this water down the college degree even more than it is now?

Many degrees are useless pieces of paper as it is.

Alan

Who pays for free high school?

It wasn't free in the past, but we had progress.

Who pays for the military budget that Republicans always want to increase?

Tennessee has free college, by the way.

Of course it would be a change in the tax code.

Right now, people take loans and pay later with interest.

Instead they would have no tuition and pay later through taxes.

It spreads the burden and takes present and future financial constraints out of the equation. With no tuition and no loans, people have more to spend which generates more tax revenue.

Free housing would not be part of it. Out of state college would not be part of it.

People will pay out for their pocket for these extras.

It doesn't water down the degree as much as provide businesses with a more educated workforce.

More productive people for a stronger economy.

It pays for itself. Like any investment.

False. You said FREE, that's not free. Paying later thru taxes? How is that FREE state college?

They wouldn't pay later thru taxes, they wouldn't pay period. Many will still have no job. Many won't be able to afford the taxes that you speak of. Many can't pay back their loans right now and are hurting financially.

Your idea is nothing new and has been thrown around for decades. Regardless, what's the difference between that and a student loan that doesn't have to be started paying off until 6 months after graduation?

It won't work, period. But I too agree with you on flagpole, he's a blowhard with a capital B and needs therapy of sorts.

WHAT? THAT WONT' WORK! ARE YOU SERIOUS OR PLAYING?

Alan's Right wrote:

You have every right to your views, but this is my problem with far left people. You want free tuition for state College. How?

I want a lot of things for people, but it's not feasible. For you to hope that a politician will get in Office, want that to happen as well and run on that hope, and for it to actually happen is not being realistic. Honestly, you are a far smart enough person to know that.

The money isn't there nor is it for many of the other free ideas being thrown about. Yes, the government has wasted BILLIONS of dollars on BOTH sides for crap projects where someone's palm was greased, but... they won't be held accountable and never have.

As you have alluded to, it's just a matter of priorities.

Nations who are much, much poorer than ours provide free health care and college education to their citizens. So it is obviously doable.

A medicare-for-all system wouldn't be that hard to fund. Remember that we would no longer need Medicaid, CHIP, or the VA.

Also, you would not need to waste money paying the huge health insurance companies who do nothing to provide health care, but do make it much more expensive. And remember, it's the health insurance companies who decide which doctors you are allowed to see. Medicare doesn't do that.

And, medicare-for-all would control costs so hospitals wouldn't be able to charge $100 for an aspirin like they do today. Medicare is the only health care plan in America that blocks hospital price gouging.

Free college would be even easier to do, but I'm also not sure we should do it. I would need to see how it is actually implemented before I say if I think it's a good idea or not.

This is the President Republicans gave us.

Alan's Right wrote:

You have every right to your views, but this is my problem with far left people. You want free tuition for state College. How?

I want a lot of things for people, but it's not feasible.

Democrats: We think everyone should have access to healthcare that won't send them spiraling into bankruptcy.

You: But don't you realize that will be hard???

Democrats: Finding a job that offers a decent wage is often contingent on acquiring college/vocational degree, so we should do more to lower tuition prices.

You: Nice things are impossible! Don't even talk about it!

While I am not so sure that "free" college education is such a good idea ( a good high school education is a much better idea!), I am also not sure that I follow your logic.

Why would a "free" college education "water down the college degree even more than it is now?" It seems to me that the notion of "free" involves money while the issue of quality of education has more to do with academic standards and practices.

as for what is possible or not - the repubs just voted to borrow trillions of new dollars for what they want.

so yeah, if wanted to do more for regular people instead of corporations and the rich we could do it.

And whenever they say 'too expensive' then point at the trillions they voted to borrow and laugh.

New York State started tuition free college a year ago. Any student coming from a household with income of $125,000 or less can go to a NY State college or City University of New York college tuition free.

This has no effect on the academic standards of any particular school, so I don't get your concern about "watering down" a college degree. It only impacts how a student's college education will be paid for.

It's wasn't hard to implement, there was little opposition to it and it wasn't particularly controversial. It's simply another line in the state budget. Some politicians prefer to spend tax money on healthcare and education, others like to fund Electoral Fraud commissions and military parades; as someone else pointed out, it's just a matter of priorities.

Let’s look at high school and reverse engineer the tuition free college idea.

Suppose next year you removed all public funding from all high schools in the country and gave the tax payers their money back. (Yay, lower taxes!)

Then required tuition to attend high school.

What would the high school participation rate be?

How many kids across the country would not be able to afford high school?

What would be the sociological and economic impact to the country?

Regarding free college tuition...

1) Yes it is doable...just a matter of country priority as has been said.

2) It is not practical. We already have super cheap ways to get a college education (start at Community College first and transfer, go to any one of the 62 colleges in America that offer 100% full need, etc.). The drop out rate at community colleges is insanely high. Why? Since it is cheap, many students who shouldn't consider going to college think, "I should at least give it a try since it doesn't cost much". Free college for everyone would just attract more from the bottom of the barrel. A truly gifted student who is poor can get a free or nearly free college education already based on need and/or scholarship. At Columbus State Community College here in Ohio, the graduation rate is 8% (those who enter wanting a 2-year degree). The transfer to a 4-year college is 24%. See here -

https://www.usnews.com/education/community-colleges/columbus-state-community-college-CC01918

- free college would make those numbers even more insane.

3) Not everyone should go to college or can go to college. This is part of the reason some former Democrat voters were turned off by the free college talk. It's elitist and leaves a good portion of people feeling left out and unappreciated. What we really should do is have a culture shift where we more greatly respect the work of people who didn't go to college.

4) I WOULD be for some discussion on how to keep college affordable, especially for people who typically are saddled with tons of college debt (doctors for example), but I am not for flat out free college for everyone. Not enough of a return on investment.

So, considering the main topic of this thread...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.