L L wrote:
It would be hilarious if Pence steps down expecting a Pence pardon and Pence doesn't grant a pardon.
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Yes, that would be truly epic! Though I am not clear exactly how that would work. How could Pence pardon anyone, let alone himself, after having stepped down?
L L wrote:
It would be hilarious if Pence steps down expecting a Pence pardon and Pence doesn't grant a pardon.
But I disagree that the odds are against a Pence pardon.
Refusal to pardon Trump would mean he loses Trump's base. Then he'd have a tiny base and no still moderate support to try to be elected.
I think you are correct that there will be a political calculus involved.
I'm putting it at a 60% chance that Pence would not pardon Trump. I believe that Trump's base is not as rock solid as many would think. At the point Trump is ousted and in need of a pardon, his approval will be at an all time low. Very low indeed.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You and I simply disagree on that. We read Trump's psyche differently. I don't think Trump will do what most of us would do.
If Trump goes down fighting then he still keeps a base of support. If he resigns, then like Nixon, nobody will love him.
Fair enough. However Trump is removed from office, as long as it is legal, I am all for it. If we get to the point that he is sitting at his desk in the oval office and they (police? military?) have to come in and remove him to his refusal, I hope there is video of that, not just for my own enjoyment, but as a deterrent for other like-minded individuals.
Agreed.
Would be Truly Epic wrote:
L L wrote:
It would be hilarious if Pence steps down expecting a Pence pardon and Pence doesn't grant a pardon.
. . ..
Yes, that would be truly epic! Though I am not clear exactly how that would work. How could Pence pardon anyone, let alone himself, after having stepped down?
the holy spirit?
Kavanaugh sails through confirmation.
Democrats lose again!!!!!!
Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Fair enough. However Trump is removed from office, as long as it is legal, I am all for it. If we get to the point that he is sitting at his desk in the oval office and they (police? military?) have to come in and remove him to his refusal, I hope there is video of that, not just for my own enjoyment, but as a deterrent for other like-minded individuals.
Agreed.
disagreed.
trump needs to serve his four years, and needs to be soundly defeated, then prosecuted if the evidence shows.
kicking him out wil make him a martyr and the deplorables will say 'remember trump' for 50 years. Or for the Southerners, 150 years.
Only a sound defeat will innocculate the body politic of trumpism and his anti-constitutional, lying ways.
Flagpole wrote:
non Flagpole wrote:
Throw all 4 of them in a room together and combined you'd be lucky to get the equivalent of one normal brain!!!! 4 years of their lives, wasted on this thread, dying to be heard and agreed with to stroke their fragile egos. Embarrassed for them!
That's ridiculous. People who want to be heard create a blog or start a YouTube channel. Message boards are for discussion.
This particular topic is the most interesting political US topic in my lifetime and one of the most interesting topics of any sort in my lifetime. Not only interesting but incredibly important. We have a criminal in the White House who is threatening American democracy. If that's not worth discussing, then I don't know what is.
Yep, and you live on here, which is ridiculous and should embarrass you to no end, but your insecurity to have people agree with you keeps you coming back for more. Have you ever added up the number of posts you've made and the time it took, not to mention re-reading them over and over and proofing them to sound as smart as possible? You're a sad soul Buckeye.
He's right Flagole wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
That's ridiculous. People who want to be heard create a blog or start a YouTube channel. Message boards are for discussion.
This particular topic is the most interesting political US topic in my lifetime and one of the most interesting topics of any sort in my lifetime. Not only interesting but incredibly important. We have a criminal in the White House who is threatening American democracy. If that's not worth discussing, then I don't know what is.
Yep, and you live on here, which is ridiculous and should embarrass you to no end, but your insecurity to have people agree with you keeps you coming back for more. Have you ever added up the number of posts you've made and the time it took, not to mention re-reading them over and over and proofing them to sound as smart as possible? You're a sad soul Buckeye.
FP won't admit it and has an excuse for everything. Don't waste your time on the middle aged old fart. He's losing it big time!
Wow, you guys are still at this? Give it a rest, you have no say in the outcome and have turned this into a b*tchfest!
Take 30 days off and come back, you'll see. You'll all trying to one up the other and none of you have the answer, you're just giving your best guest. Washington D.C. is not about Left or Right, it's about power and when people get there they are rarely touchable. I voted for Bill Clinton and that guy should have been thrown out and look what "actually" happened?
Take a break and try something new, like going for a run.
Yes, there were some typos, but I'm not changing anything. Move on fellas, don't you realize how precious life is?
Rain happens wrote:
Yes, there were some typos, but I'm not changing anything. Move on fellas, don't you realize how precious life is?
Indeed I am.
Now get the hell off of this thread and try, at least try, to start living it.
Life wrote:
Rain happens wrote:
Yes, there were some typos, but I'm not changing anything. Move on fellas, don't you realize how precious life is?
Indeed I am.
Now get the hell off of this thread and try, at least try, to start living it.
But who the hell am I to talk?
Yes, I'm Flagpole indeed.
Rain happens wrote:
Yes, there were some typos, but I'm not changing anything. Move on fellas, don't you realize how precious life is?
I've been telling Clownpole, Agip, LL, etc that for two years now! But you likely don't understand just how butt-hurt these guys are. 2016 was devastating for them. For whatever reason, their identity is very much tied up in their political affiliation.
Anyway, despite all the evidence that has been exposed indicating that the DOJ and FBI was conspiring against the Trump campaign before and after the election, and that the actual Special Counsel investigation isn't even interested in Russia anymore.....
.....they still have hope.
We're still at this because there is always something new to talk about.
Two weeks ago you had Manafort convicted, Cohen with a serious guilty plea that directly connected Trump, the owner of the National Enquirer and Trump's CFO getting immunity for testimony.
All related to fraud.
We are two months away from an election that will likely change the course of the presidency.
There have been so many major news events that would normally consume a news cycle for a year that are gone in a week.
Michael Flynn stepping down and then pleading guilty to lying to the FBI is huge but forgotten.
Comey being fired is huge but forgotten.
Remember when DACA was to expire in 6 months? That was a year ago and it isn't settled yet.
How about tax reform? It was just a cut, nothing reformed.
How about the denuclearization deal with North Korea? Nothing there.
Iran nuclear deal? We renegged and we have nothing.
Where is the new healthcare plan with that repeal and replace talk?
We had children taken from their parents at the border and not reunited.
Trump spent two hours alone with Putin with no American documentation.
Trump has strained relations with Europe while asking for Russia to be let back into the G8.
There are these crazy random tariffs threatening free markets.
NAFTA is being mangled.
And of course Trump refuses to interview with Mueller investigation.
Predicting things is fun but just discussing the current events is worthwhile.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Agreed.
disagreed.
trump needs to serve his four years, and needs to be soundly defeated, then prosecuted if the evidence shows.
kicking him out wil make him a martyr and the deplorables will say 'remember trump' for 50 years. Or for the Southerners, 150 years.
Only a sound defeat will innocculate the body politic of trumpism and his anti-constitutional, lying ways.
A fair point, but Trump is so criminal and seemingly more and more so unfit for office, that removing him as soon as possible and directly because of those things, is the best thing. Nixon had his followers for a while afterwards too, but they fall by the wayside quickly. Just voting him out of office isn't appropriate for the level of criminality that he has engaged in. I like the idea of prosecuting him afterwards no matter how he is removed, but we're not even half way into this train wreck of a presidency...just too dangerous to allow it to go any longer than absolutely necessary.
rrrnnnuuu1 wrote:
He's right Flagole wrote:
Yep, and you live on here, which is ridiculous and should embarrass you to no end, but your insecurity to have people agree with you keeps you coming back for more. Have you ever added up the number of posts you've made and the time it took, not to mention re-reading them over and over and proofing them to sound as smart as possible? You're a sad soul Buckeye.
FP won't admit it and has an excuse for everything. Don't waste your time on the middle aged old fart. He's losing it big time!
Ha! I was just on a vacation and away from here completely for 10 days. Going to take another one in December and then one again in May and one in August...probably some more in there too.
If losing it big time is correctly seeing (for a long time now and longer than any regular poster here) that Trump is a criminal and will be held accountable for that, then ok.
L L wrote:
We're still at this because there is always something new to talk about.
Two weeks ago you had Manafort convicted, Cohen with a serious guilty plea that directly connected Trump, the owner of the National Enquirer and Trump's CFO getting immunity for testimony.
All related to fraud.
We are two months away from an election that will likely change the course of the presidency.
There have been so many major news events that would normally consume a news cycle for a year that are gone in a week.
Michael Flynn stepping down and then pleading guilty to lying to the FBI is huge but forgotten.
Comey being fired is huge but forgotten.
Remember when DACA was to expire in 6 months? That was a year ago and it isn't settled yet.
How about tax reform? It was just a cut, nothing reformed.
How about the denuclearization deal with North Korea? Nothing there.
Iran nuclear deal? We renegged and we have nothing.
Where is the new healthcare plan with that repeal and replace talk?
We had children taken from their parents at the border and not reunited.
Trump spent two hours alone with Putin with no American documentation.
Trump has strained relations with Europe while asking for Russia to be let back into the G8.
There are these crazy random tariffs threatening free markets.
NAFTA is being mangled.
And of course Trump refuses to interview with Mueller investigation.
Predicting things is fun but just discussing the current events is worthwhile.
Yep.
L L wrote:
How about the denuclearization deal with North Korea? Nothing there.
Nothing? He promised Kim he would sign a peace treaty to end the war, and then reneged that promise.
He also cancelled the joint exercise with South Korea without telling South Korea in advance, calling it "provocative war game" (the exact language North Korea has been using for years.)
Thus he managed to anger both North Korea and South Korea at the same time. Remarkable achievement that no other president could have imagined.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
L L wrote:
How about the denuclearization deal with North Korea? Nothing there.
Nothing? He promised Kim he would sign a peace treaty to end the war, and then reneged that promise.
He also cancelled the joint exercise with South Korea without telling South Korea in advance, calling it "provocative war game" (the exact language North Korea has been using for years.)
Thus he managed to anger both North Korea and South Korea at the same time. Remarkable achievement that no other president could have imagined.
Reading comprehension does not appear to be your strong suit.
Yes U R wrote:
Reading comprehension does not appear to be your strong suit.
I should note: I never read anything--just like my hero, Trump. I am there4 exempt from any reading comprehension silliness.
I do have this 2 share.
TRUMP APPROVAL DOWN TO 39.6% on 538.
Whaaaaaaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa . . . . Mein Trump . . . . whaaaaa.aaaaaaaaa . . . . ??