Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Wrong. The Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods...
Why is it that Trumpwear (Ivanka's stuff and MA-GA hats/shirts) are all made in China, with Trumpers buying the MA-GA stuff out?
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Wrong. The Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods...
Why is it that Trumpwear (Ivanka's stuff and MA-GA hats/shirts) are all made in China, with Trumpers buying the MA-GA stuff out?
Forgive my intruding some of those "fact" things into the thread, but I found the following discussion useful:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/12/opinion/editorials/trump-tax-cuts.html
And to further bail out the rich, Trump plans to cancel raises for all Federal Employees in 2019.
Meanwhile-- wrote:
Forgive my intruding some of those "fact" things into the thread, but I found the following discussion useful:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/12/opinion/editorials/trump-tax-cuts.html
natural causes wrote:
PIO! wrote:
5) Die of natural causes while still in office..
Natural causes? LOL
In Trump's "natural causes" would include:
1) Multiple STDs caused by unprotected sex with hookers and porn stars.
2) Lack of exercise for last 50-some years--he even drive a golf cart on putting greens to conservative his energy.
3) Inhalation of too many Big Macs, Filet-o-Fish, and double large fries, down with gallons of diet coke over the last several decades.
4) . . . the "natural causes" list goes on.
I think Trump is unlikely to die in office, even if he somehow manages a second term.
1) Porn stars get tested often, so they tend to be safer than the general public. I think the same is probably true of high end hookers.
I'm not sure about the second and third reasons. His father died in his 90s, so unless he led an especially healthy lifestyle, I expect Trump has fairly good genes.
I don't think Trump has had any major health issues. Obviously these things can come out of the blue, especially for an obese man of his age, but his is probably slightly less prone to serious health problems than average.
Meanwhile-- wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/12/opinion/editorials/trump-tax-cuts.html
Interesting link. I particularly noticed the following:
And what happened to that promise of a big raise for workers? No sign of it yet.
The typical family would earn $3,000 to $7,000 more a year, the White House Council of Economic Advisers [had] said. In fact, real wages are down, largely thanks to the rising price of oil, which has more than offset any modest increase in income.
Even ignoring inflation, wages are up only 2.7 percent over the last 12 months. Even with the unemployment rate at a low 3.9 percent, businesses are not offering higher pay yet.
The idea that the tax cuts were going to line workers’ pockets was always a mirage. Most people will enjoy only a modest and temporary tax cut — families earning $25,000 or less will save on average just $60 on their federal tax this year, and those making between $48,600 and $86,100 will save $930, according to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. Families in the top 1 percent, on the other hand, will save an average of $51,140.
Tax Cuts Don’t Pay for Themselves
“Not only will this tax plan pay for itself, but it will pay down debt,” Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, said. This statement was absurd when Mr. Mnuchin made it, but it looks even more ridiculous now. The deficit and the federal debt are growing — and at a stunning pace. In the current fiscal year, the federal government will spend $912 billion more than it collects in revenue, an increase of 39 percent from the 2017 fiscal year, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
[All emphases mine.]
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Guy who says wrote:
Ummm . . . no. The Chinese choose to not buy too expensive American goods. American workers lose.
Wrong. The Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods: Levis, Nike shoes, Guess, luxury brands, etc. They don't want the "cheap" counterfeit sh it that they can pick up around the street corner that easily falls apart after a single use. Products with a "Made in USA" label carries a lot of prestige in China.
So then explain why the US companies have not simply been charging 100% or 1,000% for their products all along if "the Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods." Are these American companies just too stupid to have figured this out?
Guy who says wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Wrong. The Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods: Levis, Nike shoes, Guess, luxury brands, etc. They don't want the "cheap" counterfeit sh it that they can pick up around the street corner that easily falls apart after a single use. Products with a "Made in USA" label carries a lot of prestige in China.
So then explain why the US companies have not simply been charging 100% or 1,000% more for their products all along if "the Chinese will pay whatever it takes for OUR goods." Are these American companies just too stupid to have figured this out?
Correction - "100% or 1,000% more"
Tax cuts for the rich were the sole purpose. Republicans basically have to lie and suppress and wade through one campaign after another, then wipe their brow and say we got away with it again. We talked about all the garbage we don't care about in the slightest...so we can cut taxes for the rich, and allow corporations to dodge environmental regulations, and make sure fewer Americans have adequate affordable health care, etc.
Anyway, great job by Nike to push back against the fear. That's what Trump and conservatives haven't contemplated, certain strong people and companies who won't be intimidated by someone who relies on fear and divisiveness. Nike is using Colin Kaepernick as the face of its new "Just Do It" campaign. Obviously it isn't aimed at scared old white people, but at 15 to 17 year olds. Should be some interesting dinner table conversations among families with kids of that age, once they start seeing this ad campaign in their living room:
A rising dollar may mean the Chinese pay more of their currency to receive the same American product but it doesn’t mean the American company receives more US dollars.
The higher cost to China does mean they will the ability to buy less.
The main issue with China isn’t the fact that they have cheap goods, it’s how they have cheap goods.
They make things cheap because they have terrible labor standards.
Trump never mentions this. He doesn’t care about the people. He’s fixated on the trade deficit and he thinks it actually means it is a loss of money. It isn’t.
Trollminator wrote:
Cheeto Benito wrote:
I think you're right, except I can't imagine Trump resigning. Who is going to be able to explain to him that he cannot make his problems disappear by a combination of lying, denying and firing? Also, he will cling to the idea that if he wins a second term, he will be safe for four more years.
Will Trump tolerate anyone sane? Look at the people he has hired and fired and those he has kept!
So maybe the most likely scenario is that Republicans want to keep him until the end of the term, so he isn't impeached. The Democrats win the Presidency in 2020, assuming they choose a reasonable candidate and run a sensible campaign. Another possibility is someone else wins the Republican Primary, and this candidate becomes President.
Probably his legal problems will remain after he leaves the White House, but perhaps there is an argument that it's better to drop it and it's just too embarrassing to imprison an ex-President.
The most politically balanced scenario would be for him to serve out his first term, not try to run again after Mueller's report and just go away for good. This allows his voters to keep their dignity and the GOP and Dems not to drift too much further apart. This scenario would be ok if he wasn't a blatant liar and shady as all fvck human being. Although he likely committed an impeachable crime, so the right thing to do is to run him the fvck out of the WH asap. He is so criminal that the main debate all along has been whether he will speak to Mueller or not - as in if he does we all know he will 100% perjure himself.
It's all just too criminal...justice would not be served if he served out his term and then had no punishment. I don't see Mueller and the DOJ allowing that. Congress and the American people should not allow it. To be clear, he didn't likely commit an impeachable crime, he DID commit several impeachable ones, and we aren't done knowing about everything more than likely.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
L L wrote:
I’m sticking with the scenario that Trump resigns between April and June next year.
I believe they are gathering evidence of bank fraud and tax evasion.
High dollar. High crimes.
The House will impeach early next year.
Trump resigns as the Senate trial starts to bring some bad things to light that he doesn’t want to come out.
Things will tighten more on Trump.
What the public knows now is nothing compared to what is being unearthed.
I believe you have a great prediction. I don't want to pick the time frame other than to say he will be out before the end of his term. I think he will resign as part of a plea bargain.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Cheeto Benito wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Trump is an autocrat. He will never admit to losing an election. The only remedy to get him out will be one of the four options above.
Trump was ready to declare that the 2016 election was rigged. If beaten in 2020, he will again say that the election was rigged. The difference is that this time, he has nuclear weapons.
What difference does it make if a candidate says the election is rigged? Unless they have evidence and it's something the Supreme Court are looking into, what can a candidate do? I realise they can incite riots etc., but this is hard to envisage. I think his base liked the comments about the election being rigged. They agreed with Trump that the system is basically corrupt. So it helped him to get elected. But if he hadn't won the election, he would have a ready made excuse, and it could have helped springboard a new media enterprise - Trump TV - which would pedal this election rigging propaganda and whatever else he felt like.
Trump won't have to be dragged out of the White House. He can't go more than a few days without golf, a trip to Florida, or ideally a trip to Florida to play golf.
Trump would just need to cook up enough phony evidence to call the election into serious question.
Riots don't matter. In this scenario, it comes down to who has control of the military. Trump would still be commander in chief after the election.
The question is whether or not the military would follow his lawful orders.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
You only believe in polls from liberal news sources and which have a history of oversampling democrats- I get it. But for you to be so gullible to readily accept that Trump has 3% black approval makes you a fool.
Wow. You are still here. Gotta give it to you for sticktoitiveness I guess.
I hope you will be big enough to admit you were wrong about Trump when he goes down.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Fat hurts wrote:
BTW, Trump will not resign. Trump is an autocrat and autocrats don't resign.
There are only three ways that autocrats leave office.
They either rule for life, get thrown in prison, or they are taken out back and shot.
Yeah, but that's not how we do things here. IF there is a benefit to him via plea bargain to resign, then he will. If and his legal team are smart, they will actually ASK for that.
I agree with you that he doesn't have the makeup to resign, and if he were in another country he would not, but again, if there is a plea deal attached to his resignation, he will do it.
Fat hurts wrote:
Money money money wrote:
Money would be a reason for Trump to resign. He would have to get enough bigly deal in place made with foreign governments, and companies, to be happy to leave the thankless job he currently holds.
I don't think Trump loves money more than power. He will never willingly leave the most powerful job in the world.
This would surprise me. Will be some great video though of him being escorted from the White House if it does happen.
https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.6YjmyB7NiLKQpOFXUVwtTwHaEe&pid=15.1&P=0&w=275&h=167Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trump will serve two full terms.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
L L wrote:
If the Yuan is devaluing vs the USD, that means Chinese goods are cheaper to buy and American businesses and consumers would prefer things made in China over made in America.
Trump is the first POTUS to actually confront China on their unfair trade practices. This is what Trump campaigned on. He will make a better deal for America with China. There are others from across the aisle who have criticized China's practices.
Bernie Sanders- "decrying the transfer of “our” technology to China and condemning investment there."
Elizabeth Warren-
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2139809/united-states-waking-chinese-abuses-us-senatorChuck Schumer-
http://thehill.com/policy/international/392636-schumer-on-china-tariffs-china-needs-us-more-than-we-need-themWall Street Journal editorial endorses the trade war
https://www.wsj.com/articles/tackling-chinas-protectionism-1521585170https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/08/china-is-cheating-at-a-rigged-game/
Grasping at straws to mention Schumer's support of tariffs against China, probably the only thing Trump has done that he is for. Schumer thinks (KNOWS) that Trump is a criminal and a fool.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Major shift today on 538 in favor of Democratic control of House. Odds jumped 3% to 77.6% likelihood and average gain of 36 seats. Earlier today it was 74.5% and 34 seats.
The recent generic polls have indicated a widening gap in favor of Democrats nationally, with several polls in low double digits:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Flagpole wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
The most politically balanced scenario would be for him to serve out his first term, not try to run again after Mueller's report and just go away for good. This allows his voters to keep their dignity and the GOP and Dems not to drift too much further apart. This scenario would be ok if he wasn't a blatant liar and shady as all fvck human being. Although he likely committed an impeachable crime, so the right thing to do is to run him the fvck out of the WH asap. He is so criminal that the main debate all along has been whether he will speak to Mueller or not - as in if he does we all know he will 100% perjure himself.
It's all just too criminal...justice would not be served if he served out his term and then had no punishment. I don't see Mueller and the DOJ allowing that. Congress and the American people should not allow it. To be clear, he didn't likely commit an impeachable crime, he DID commit several impeachable ones, and we aren't done knowing about everything more than likely.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Remember, Rudy has been saying that he’s not sure collusion is a crime, so it will depend on how Congress interprets the damming evidence that will be provided by Mueller. I am very aware he has committed some of the worst crimes, otherwise he would not be lashing out so much and having his lawyer soften the issues. Unfortunately this will come down to an arbitrary political process (impeachment) and that is why I have been saying he will complete his first term. I don’t think he will immediately face the music for any impeachable crimes by the way. I think it will be like OJ, he will think he got away with it, will keep boasting about it publicly and then will get fvcked down the road on civil charges until he is totally humiliated and finished financially. Everyone will sue him.
With a majority Democrat Congress impeachment proceedings will definitely happen, but again I think there will be a compromise allowing him to escape justice. I can see the impeachment process getting hung up until 2020 and simply not concluded with him not running again. If the Dems somehow don’t get Congress this fall I think the chances of impeachment proceedings will be close to nil. I wish I had more faith in our political process but too much of it is arbitrary when it comes to POTUS. The American people stiffed themselves hard and there is no recourse.
Flagpole wrote:
L L wrote:
I’m sticking with the scenario that Trump resigns between April and June next year.
I believe they are gathering evidence of bank fraud and tax evasion.
High dollar. High crimes.
The House will impeach early next year.
Trump resigns as the Senate trial starts to bring some bad things to light that he doesn’t want to come out.
Things will tighten more on Trump.
What the public knows now is nothing compared to what is being unearthed.
I believe you have a great prediction. I don't want to pick the time frame other than to say he will be out before the end of his term. I think he will resign as part of a plea bargain.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
That is not a bad scenario, but based on Trump’s tactics I don’t see anything happening smoothly, by then the brainwashing has already fully set in and too many will say the witch hunt is real and won’t leave his side. Watch how supportive the Senate will be after the GOP gains seats this fall. I do agree resignation is possible, but with his ego and ability to cloud the truth there may be much higher tolerance on his part when it comes to his finances being revealed. Don’t forget he has been feeding lies to the public his whole life, so it’s more about casting confusion than the truth. As long as a good chunk of the population remain unconvinced about his criminality he will be satisfied. He is stupid enough to risk prosecution by not resigning.