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9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:33pm EDT

re: this guy can't be real

this guy can't be real wrote:
areaIpersson wrote:
RY (CHEATER) PROPAGANDA MACHINE IS TURNING AT FULL SPEED
*Andy Persson*
perssonfamily@gmail.com
I have migrated over here at last from LRC because it was becoming clear that the only people who had anything sensible to say were ultralisters. I haven't got time right now to read your version of Rob's run but I thought I would offer my perspective as someone who knows him and has run with him. I tried to write this on the LRC forum but it got refused for inappropriate language. Not sure why - I even tried removing in case they were very sensitive. So this relates to the discussion that has been happening over there but may be of some interest here. I am having trouble figuring how this works so hope I am posting this in the right place.
About time for another thought or two from me as Rob supporters seem to be a bit thin on the ground here at the moment. I have a feeling this might be a bit long so apologies in advance, but if it is a problem maybe just read a sentence at a time and intersperse it with reading all the other comments attacking him. Alternatively just ignore it and move on.
The situation as I see it is this:
A guy decided to give the Transcon record a go and set off a few weeks ago. Some video was produced showing no runner by the RV and it all blew up, the immediate assumption being that he had gone all that way to sit in an RV and pretend he was doing it and in the meantime pull off the greatest endurance con in history (aside form Yiannis's first Spartathlon, oh no wait..) Since then everything has been scrutinised in depth with various oddities arising.
- Rob won't release his gps data - well as far as I know he hasn't claimed to have beaten the record yet, so not sure why that is a problem.
- But if he releases it at the end it might have been doctored - google is your friend. It doesn't take much to detect doctored Strava data and Tomtom even harder to fake. I'm sure there will be a queue of LRC members happy to oblige on the technical side there.
- But he has lied about stuff before so he must be lying now, like that bronze medal in triathlon in 2004. Oh someone's found something on a 2004 forum putting Rob in 3rd place in those championships - yeah but it's on a forum so you can't trust that (yes, someone actually said that)
- Well what about his PRs - no way he's done that. Well recently reported running 5:47 mile by a well respected figure, and that after running best part of 2000 miles (even if you exclude the hours sitting in a jacuzzi in the RV) So if he maintained that pace it would give him a sub 36minute 10k. Maybe a little less inconceivable that at some point in his past, maybe ten years ago, training for that distance he might have hit 5 minutes under that. I'm sure he can let us know, but maybe after finishing this thing.
- Yeah, but his claims for his first three marathons are unbelievable. Meaning I couldn't do that and no one I know could. But lets say 99.999% of people couldn't but the 0.001%, by some evolutionary hiccup, do have that capability. That would mean in the UK 600 people could. Maybe one of them went out and found they had an unusual capacity for running and recovery and decided to just keep going for the rest of the year covering 373 marathons and ultras in that time.
- Well if he made up all this stuff, he probably made up other stuff like being in the army. Let's check that. Oh, he was and he was in the triathlon team. Oh forget that.
- Look his charity page here says he raised Â£0. oh but this justgiving one says over Â£60,000. Better investigate the charity. Bound to be fake.
- I know let's send over some of our most respected (OK some of the younger LRC members are catching up here) running figures to catch him out. They arrive and report a change of perspective, noting that he is a genuinely nice guy (sorry, I know character references have no bearing on this, although character assassinations seemingly do) and that comparing him to Steve Warshawer. As predicted, comments about age and beards appeared though I hadn't guessed the smoking ones. They also say there are questions yet to answer, which means they are yet to be answered not that they can't.
- What about his other records, the one where he beat Dean Karnazes's longest distance without sleep? All fake. So I and others crop up to vouch for that and posted my strava link for the 60 miles I ran with him through the night to 350 miles when I handed over to Kev (first and only time I've met him but feeling some kind of kinship now!) for another 23. I missed the protocol about not revealing your identity on this forum so have been googled and then had my handle used to post false messages. Changed my handle, thought I had registered it but hadn't so had impersonators again. Registered new one but have still had someone using the new one. Isn't that the point of registering it? Ah well. Just ignore anything from arealpersson that doesn't say registered
Talk about propaganda -- notice how he always avoids all the real issues.
Instead of showing us where Mr. Young ran a sub-31 10k (or any effort that shows similar ability), we get some garbage about running a 5:47 mile. Really? Are you serious?

He claims to have been "Mr Plod", a poor runner, in his (fantastical) triathlon "career". 30:47 would not be a poor time for a triathlete, quite the contrary. We know this, surely in his heart Andy Persson knows this. (Rob Young quite possibly doesn't, or hasn't thought it through, because he's crackers.)

And as for claiming to be a pro cyclist... Too patent a whopper for even A Persson to back with a straight face.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:35pm EDT

re: grandstand

I really ought to be sleeping,

but something just created a discord in my brain.

I think I remember one of the quickly deleted posts on the RY topic

making reference to him having a ridiculously fast time out of Effingham.

can that poster contact me.

(or maybe someone read it to me off that 7R website)

I happen to have a list of the time of day for the beginning and end of each of those miles.

they were done at a deathmarch pace

(not even breaking 15 min/mile for the two times he tried to run)

if I could see the times of day that added up to the ridiculously fast time

and what was the source of those times

compared to the real times he was at each mile,

(which came off my wristwatch)

maybe it would shed some light on a systemic problem.

since I have not been a shrieking nuisance,

the RY crew might be inclined to cooperate with me.

laz (who is always amazed how many people think abusing their server will get them better food)

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:37pm EDT

re: LRC to the Rescue.

LRC to the Rescue. wrote:
Please send message to Laz: Please consider offering to comp Rob into the Barkley race.

You don't think RY could raise the $1.60 or whatever it costs to enter? I know where he can get a license plate.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:37pm EDT

re: Racergirl

Not page 24 (my error) but obviously something date stamped 24 February 2016 - hence the anomalous date part way through. It matches what I remember finding independently online a few days ago but now can't track down - and that was explicitly for a female attempt.

I found that post LurkerRT posted - it's a Facebook post to his page from 14 June, on the visitors posts.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:42pm EDT

re: Asher Delmott

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:43pm EDT

re: Racergirl

Why would the rules be different for a female?

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:45pm EDT

re: Robert MF Young is back baby!

Robert MF Young is back baby! wrote:
Patience and planning wrote:
I'm guessing that this is not an actual Robert Young fanatic, but probably the genuine Mike Rossi. If you read much of the titanic Rossi thread, you start to recognize his frat boy writing style. Rossi is a 1/10 troll who is much less clever than crude. I think he's getting a kick out of seeing a fellow cheater potentially prosper.
ROFL!
Haters gonna hate! Now that your conspiracy theory is starting to fall apart you start attacking those who staunchly have supported the Truth.
Robert will silence you with his Guinness approved World Record once and for all.

The interesting thing about Rossi is that he is so foolish and weak that he can't help but fan the flames of his own immolation by baiting his critics on the Rossi thread. He has single-handedly kept that thread going by being an active participant, thereby increasing his infamy. Such a weak-willed fool.

At least most of the Robert Young sycophants have been wise enough to slowly back away from this thread and stop participating. They are certainly not smart, but neither are they idiots like Rossi.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:47pm EDT

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
Ok. I spoke to Laz maybe 30 minutes ago. He is quite the characater.He says that it looked like RY was going to have an awful day but he sucked it up and has been gutting it out this mornign to get in the miles needed for the day (their day is basically motel to motel).
He said they mainly track him by driving ahead and waiting for him but also at times hide guys on the side so it's not predictable.
Anyway, on to the key issue. I pressed him about the watch/GPS data as in my mind proving he runs/walks from here on out proves nothing. Why don't we get the GPS/watch data which would show cadence? SYnc the tom tom to Strava if you aren't hiding anything. To me the only reason you wouldn't be doing taht as it happens is if you are hiding something..
Laz said he most definitely wants no part of the GPS data as he doesn't want to be accused of messing it up. He said if he was Rob he probably wouldn't hand it over either. I was like, "That makes no sense. If I had nothing to hide, i'd be publishing the data live."
He said if he was RY he wouldn't hand it over to letsrun as laz's wife has told him the tone is full of vitriol. I was somethign along the lines of "TI guess that's one way of viewiing. but i don't view it that way. Most people just think he's a cheater and defrauding the public."
Then suggested I get a strava employee to fly out there so there are no worrie about me doctoring.. He seemed to like that idea but wasn't sure if Rob's crew would have time to do it. He said it's a crew of just two people - two PR people who seemed overwhelmed. He said they'd have to be there when they stopped.
That's not hard. They generally stop every afternoon.
So it was an interesting conversation to say the least.
I'm going to a) Try to contract Strava
B) Ty to get the viceos from Colorado since no one else seems to be bothering with facts.

SURELY SOMEONE can get out to meet him and arrange beforehand with him that they will sort his data out for him. It's on TomTom site, it's EASY to sync to strava. He could get a mobile app.

If he is put under pressure to release it by someone actually visiting him it would be interesting to see his reaction, and at least hear from him WHY he wont put any data out there.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:48pm EDT

re: sid darlston's snot

stop lying, that is not my real name and I am not a troll or trouble causer

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:50pm EDT

re: theohiostate

theohiostate wrote:
I also agree with Laz: I wouldn't release any information to the lets run crowd either. After all the name calling and such: Let 'em stew.

Thanks, that's really going to help getting the pre Emporia data.

By the way, you're one of the "lets run crowd", I seem to recall you've been here a fair bit voicing your opinion, but that's OK, we're a broad church here on LR, as you've discovered and taken advantage of a few times.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:52pm EDT

re: theohiostate

I am fully behind RY and he has not cheated. There are some strange conspiracy theorist lunatics on here.

He will continue his run and prepare for the next.

Haters!!!!!!

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:52pm EDT

re: Powerof10

Powerof10 wrote:
Is this the same RY?
http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=687776

yep, 3:07

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:54pm EDT

re: Why?????????????

Why????????????? wrote:
Why would the rules be different for a female?

The fastest Trans America run is still hold by Lorna Michael (now Richards, I believe) done during the 1993 Trans Am in 64 stages.

So roughly a 63.5 day effort.

1993 Trans Am

Laura Michael was the first female who finished a Trans America race.

Huntington Beach, CA-New York, NY 6.19-8.21.93

2,912.35 miles/ 4686km in 64 stages 45.9miles/day - 73,8 km/day

POS. Name Age TIME

1 Ray Bell 46 USA 486:41:08

2 Pat Farmer 31 AUS +15:49:15

3 Lorna Michael 34 F USA +99:33:59

4 Edward Kelley 35 USA +121:22:02

5 Tomoya Takaishi 51 JP +149:29:38

6 RÃ¼diger Dittmann 32 GER +203:49:55

13 Starters

I think Guinness has somebody different (and slower) in their books.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:54pm EDT

re: Hypocrite much?

Hypocrite much? wrote:
theohiostate wrote:
I also agree with Laz: I wouldn't release any information to the lets run crowd either. After all the name calling and such: Let 'em stew.
Thanks, that's really going to help getting the pre Emporia data.
By the way, you're one of the "lets run crowd", I seem to recall you've been here a fair bit voicing your opinion, but that's OK, we're a broad church here on LR, as you've discovered and taken advantage of a few times.

broad church, I like that:

a group, organization, or set of beliefs that includes a wide range of different opinions or ideas

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:56pm EDT

re: Markus

Are you the same Markus that is all over robs Facebook?

9 years ago 06/14/2016 7:57pm EDT

re: HobbyJ

HobbyJ wrote:
The FB post re: CCTV also clearly states that they "often drive at a set speed while Rob tucks in behind the vehicle." How do they reconcile that with the Guinness book?
And, of course, as others have pointed out, they're claiming that they were the ones that made the effort to get the car wash video from after the initial ones showing the RV cruise through without a runner. They said it took "considerable time and trouble" to obtain the video, when in reality it would appear that Asher sent it to them.
It also appears that they've now changed their story and are using the new video to claim that Rob was well behind the RV when Asher first came up on them near Lebo later that night. Initially, the story (captured on the video explanation) was that RY had been running with the RV and jumped in when they were afraid that they were about to be assaulted by a knife-weilding yank. So which is it?
They also claim to have the phone number of the stranger and barmaid - what we have been asking Laz to get - to confirm the story. Yes, please do that!
Or...Just post the freaking data for the trip from Bannock to Laughlin.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this!

Also, it is so preposterous that they are resorting to a video of a video of a video in which a man's face in the dark comprises approximately 1 pixel to support their claims.

They are just sitting on the Global Positioning Satellite data on their TomTom account that would easily confirm or deny this. Just show us the tracing from that night. If I were accused of cheating in a marathon and was wearing a Garmin, what would I do? Hmm, maybe I could submit as evidence the wear and tear on my shoes. See, the 4 micron decrease in RMAT thickness corresponds to exactly 26.2 miles! uhh, no, I would say "here's the GPS file".

9 years ago 06/14/2016 8:01pm EDT

re: Tom Crockford

Tom Crockford wrote:
Are you the same Markus that is all over robs Facebook?

Yes I am the bad guy :-)

9 years ago 06/14/2016 8:01pm EDT

re: theohiostate

theohiostate wrote:
I also agree with Laz: I wouldn't release any information to the lets run crowd either. After all the name calling and such: Let 'em stew.
As far as to whether or not Rob is telling the truth, how many people on this forum lie about their times? Is everyone who posts here running 14 and 15+ 5k times?

Idiot you're one of them you've even registered a handle.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 8:03pm EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
OK, all caught up on this rather lengthy thread. I wanted to Rossi it at times but instead pulled a Young (slowed to a crawl when I actually read posts).
The best part has been noting the stupid posts that Mike Rossi wrote.

Still no DQ.

That must really get under your skin.

Go get a job you fvcking skinny girl.

9 years ago 06/14/2016 8:05pm EDT

re: Zombie

Zombie wrote:
team1.kml wrote:
Sorry for reposting this summary, but I want to be clear (times are CST):
June 4
22:26 GPS check-in entering Emporia, 10:00 pace
22:36 RV goes by the car wash in Emporia
22:38 GPS check-in near Mr. G's car wash, 6:12 pace
22:44 walker with light swinging in hand by car wash, 20-min pace?
22:50 GPS check-in just past Commercial St, 5:57 pace
23:02 GPS check-in just out of town, 6:06 pace
23:14 GPS check-in approaching Rd R1, 6:38 pace
23:26 GPS check-in near Badger Creek, 8:11 pace
23:38 GPS check-in near Rd U, 8:54 pace
Shortly after this, RV is headed back towards Emporia.
23:50 GPS check-in (headed west), 2:57 pace
June 5
00:02 GPS check-in (headed west), 19:54 pace
I think likely they had turned around by this point, hence the slow pace, they are headed back east. The rest of the check-ins are heading east (paces approximate).
00:14 GPS check-in, 6:04 pace
00:26 GPS check-in, 6:17 pace
00:38 GPS check-in, 6:10 pace
00:50 GPS check-in, 6:43 pace
01:02 GPS check-in, 6:21 pace
01:14 GPS check-in, 6:21 pace
01:26 GPS check-in, 5:39 pace
01:38 GPS check-in, 6.19 pace
01:45 Asher 1-45-am-pic.png
01:46 Asher 1-46-am-vid.mp4 (he passes him from behind, no obvious runner)
01:50 GPS check-in, 15:36 pace
01:53 Asher 1-53-am-pic.png
01:53 Asher 1-53-am-vid.mp4 6-sec video from roadside at Fauna and Old 50
At this point, Asher runs after the RV and they drive off.
02:02 GPS check-in, 36:21 pace
02:10 Asher 2-10-am-pic.png
02:13 GPS check-in, 6:09 pace
02:14 Asher 2-14-am-pic.png
02:14 Asher google photo video at Garner Rd (the one that got flipped from landscape to portrait) [clock says 2:14, Asher says 2:10]
02:18 Asher 2-18-am-pic.png
02:26 GPS check-in, 12:39 pace
02:38 GPS check-in, 161 pace (0.08 miles)
02:51 GPS check-in, 6:07 pace
03:02 GPS check-in, 5:09 pace
03:14 GPS check-in, 5.13 pace
03:26 GPS check-in, 7:24 pace
Guys, I would really like to nail down this section as we have a lot of information about it, but I've run into some issues.
I just spent a ton of time trying to integrate the TomTom GPS screenshots into this timeline. There are 2 segments that appear to overlap with this timeline. I am assuming that the TomTom timestamps are in local time (CST) because most GPS watches auto-sync to the local time-zone. Can anyone confirm this?
The issue I'm having is that there appears to be a gap in the RV GPS check-ins just prior to this time period - there are no check ins between June 4, 15:53:43 CST and June 4, 22:02:58 CST, which is located in the same spot. The RV appears to have stopped for a sleep break at June 4, 15:17:51, where a few more check in points keep it stationary before this gap in coverage. However, there are apparently TomTom GPS files covering 14.73 miles at an average pace of 22:50 min / mile over this same time window (June 4 15:31 to June 4, 21:11).
What am I missing? I was trying to correlate the next 2 TomTom GPS files after this batch to this timeline when I noticed this. Are the timestamps on the TomTom files just totally off? We may need to correlate RV sleep breaks to gaps in TomTom file coverage to address this.
Also, can anyone confirm that the TomTom interface shows full duration of the track and not "moving duration", meaning that we can reliably calculate the end time of the track by adding the duration to the start time? Some GPS watches will let you pause the track and will not count the paused time as part of the "duration" in certain parts of a viewing interface.

I can confirm that you are all a bunch of fvcking losers.

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