runnerexpert wrote:
Roland wrote:
https://brownbears.com/news/2021/9/21/mens-cross-country-kurt-benninger-announced-as-track-and-field-cross-country-assistant-coach.aspxGreat job by Brown getting Kurt Benninger into the mix.
He's good but this proves they definitely won't be hiring a distance coach as Director. The new director might want to hire their own staff. Once again Brown is messing everything up
sad fall wrote:
runnerexpert wrote:
Great job by Brown getting Kurt Benninger into the mix.
He's good but this proves they definitely won't be hiring a distance coach as Director. The new director might want to hire their own staff. Once again Brown is messing everything up
Maybe the interim director becomes the director and is happy with Benninger and life goes on.
................ wrote:
The NCAA actually has a limit for cross country. Cross Country only programs are limited to 6 women's and 5 men's scholarships for the sport of cross country.
Unfortunately, there is a loophole that allows you to "sponsor track and field" and then spend those scholarships on cross country too.
My solution:
Cross country and indoor track align in the calendar like they do internationally, they happen simultaneously.
Our sport(s) becomes a 1 semester sport(s). No December indoor track meets.
Athletes can only be 2 sport athletes, not 3 sports. (xc/outdoor, or indoor/outdoor, but not all 3)
Make XC 8k for both men and women so it is for DISTANCE athletes and not middle distance athletes.
Give 5/6 XC scholarships. If you are on an xc scholarship you can run xc and outdoor. If you are on a track scholarship you can run indoor and outdoor.
Then XC championship are apples vs apples. I love Portland and BC and Providence and Furman, but do they really think they are playing the same game as Oregon , FSU and Texas at the cross country championhips? They are simply intentionally dismantling their track teams, while still "spononsoring track" for the purpose of supersizing their xc program. Its a loophole, and it needs to be fixed.
Sounds like a good idea and a step in the right direction.
Weber state throws
I like it. Let's do it. If you're a collegiate coach, make a proposal on USTFCCCCCCCCCCCA
A few questions:
-So we drop the 3k/5k from indoor track?
-How would this incentivize a team to disperse scholarships better? If I'm putting all my money into distance, I continue to do so. My indoor team sucks but outdoor is still the same level. I have enough random sprinters to have it count as a sponsored sport. If I'm all in on sprinters/jumpers, I just recruit a few walk ons to create a xc team.
-If, as a distance coach, you're the director, what do you do when there's an indoor meet and a xc meet?
All Mine wrote:
Weber state throws
https://jobs.weber.edu/postings/4117
Where is Barret headed? Any news on Marshall, Maryland, or Michigan? I thinks that’s all the throws jobs left.
Not going to happen. Schools want as many women possible to count in as many sports possible. Six teams...one staff...big reason why baseball, mens tennis, mens golf and wrestling all had more programs cut from COVID budget crunches compared to track.
On the other hand it would be very easy for NCAA to apply the 5/6 scholarship cap to all programs in XC. A school could recruit 12.6 and 18 scholarships worth of distance runners if they want...but only 5/6 can be declared to practice and compete in the XC season. All other scholarship athletes, distance or not, would be on 8 hours and could not race.
Does not change overall funding requirements...not a big rule change...would be extremely effective in encouraging programs to scholarship beyond XC.
Not sorry for hijacking the thread. A good amount of DI distance coaches see this.
Biscuit Head 42 wrote:
Wonder what would happen if it was 4 Throws or Jumps Coaches (1 for each very different event)? You only see this kind of stuff when head coaches have Distance backgrounds.
If there were a fall javelin season that counted as a separate sport where you're only as good as your 5th javelin thrower and your 7th one can still negatively effect your competition's score (but scholarships & coaching positions were still tied to track and field allotment maximums) betcha that would happen in a hurry. And while we're at it, a fall pole vault team season. And a fall high jump team season, etc. And the NCAA would go along with it if it were an "emerging" women's sport.
Sincerely,
The Off-the-Rails Snapchat Loose Canon.
U Really Think So? wrote:
Aouita 84 wrote:
How?
Who's setting them up for failure? The school? The parents? God? Please explain.
Or is it that you actually have to know what you're doing and be a good coach?
Hmmm...Just curious.
I didn’t say I was. Most schools have no budget, no coach training, no interest in sports that aren’t the big three. They don’t promote XC to students to help grow teams. The coaches don’t make enough money for this to be their full time job and be able to spend enough time doing things for their teams.
OK fine I'll bite. Let's say for the sake of our original argument that I'm the distance coach at the prestigious private high school in town (which takes great pride in its athletic achievements - but this should go without saying). Therefor I can essentially recruit, give scholarships, and focus solely on coaching since that's all I was hired full-time to do. You, on the other hand, were hired for $3k a year to coach a small, public, inner city school's distance squad. Assume all the things about this demographic/situation that are usually true. Your "job performance" will be directly evaluated against mine.
This is essentially the situation at San Jose State. Is that coach still a bad coach? Would you want that job?
Drake sprints and jumps open
Kcroos wrote:
Drake sprints and jumps open
Any idea what happened to the sprint coach? I noticed they just made an announcement for director of track and cross country.
Jim Gaffigan wrote:
Kcroos wrote:
Drake sprints and jumps open
Any idea what happened to the sprint coach? I noticed they just made an announcement for director of track and cross country.
This seems to be for an additional sprints/jumps coach. Bolden has been the acting Director and now is officially the Director according to the article. Asha is still the Head track coach and sprint coach.
Univ of Bridgeport Head Coach (new program)
DI High Level Genital Gargler wrote:
U Really Think So? wrote:
I didn’t say I was. Most schools have no budget, no coach training, no interest in sports that aren’t the big three. They don’t promote XC to students to help grow teams. The coaches don’t make enough money for this to be their full time job and be able to spend enough time doing things for their teams.
OK fine I'll bite. Let's say for the sake of our original argument that I'm the distance coach at the prestigious private high school in town (which takes great pride in its athletic achievements - but this should go without saying). Therefor I can essentially recruit, give scholarships, and focus solely on coaching since that's all I was hired full-time to do. You, on the other hand, were hired for $3k a year to coach a small, public, inner city school's distance squad. Assume all the things about this demographic/situation that are usually true. Your "job performance" will be directly evaluated against mine.
This is essentially the situation at San Jose State. Is that coach still a bad coach? Would you want that job?
Is San Jose State 3K per year?
shadow lurker smells funny wrote:
no denying Angelina is on another level of crazy, but what makes you say they've improved in any capacity.? Their Varsity squad finished 4th in JV race behind a DII JV team and UCI JV (UCI not ranked in the West (probably 20th best team out west). Do not sell that crap here, head to another thread.
What jobs are still out there?
No doubt I didn’t say they were good. All you have to do is use the internet like you’re doing now. Look at the girls that were on the roster before and the times they were running and what they ran on this years opener. Then look at how many girls were under 19 and well under 19 and how many they had doing that on average before. It’s not rocket science
Paul Barrett to NMSU?
U Really Think So? wrote:
Aouita 84 wrote:
How?
Who's setting them up for failure? The school? The parents? God? Please explain.
Or is it that you actually have to know what you're doing and be a good coach?
Hmmm...Just curious.
I didn’t say I was. Most schools have no budget, no coach training, no interest in sports that aren’t the big three. They don’t promote XC to students to help grow teams. The coaches don’t make enough money for this to be their full time job and be able to spend enough time doing things for their teams.
This isn't something new. Most, if not all high school track/x-c coaches are underpaid. It's up to the coach to put together fundraisers and promote the sport within the school. If there's a demand for the sport and someone wants to step up and take charge most if not all schools will support it. Schools that cannot provide a minimal per diem or the necessary equipment (uniforms-facilities) would not offer the sport.
Sliding Scale wrote:
You don't see throws or jumps head coaches do it because you can't win conference track meets that way. Admin typically cares more about overall team conference/national performance than they do about individual accolades.
Distance only programs can't win in track either, but you can be good in cross country and some administrations/coaches are OK with that.
I, like a lot of you, hate what Notre Dame is doing. There are mid major programs and a few other P5s that have been distance based/only for years. If coaches want this to change Cross Country need scholarship limitations . That is different than asking for XC only scholarships (not realistic); just a limitation on the number of scholarships that a school can compete in the fall.
2 words:
John McDonnell. The "Greatest" NCAA X-C/Track coach in history.
Read his book and you'll learn how to build a successful program through X-C and Distances.