WTF SERIOUSLY: Lornah Salpeter just ran 2:19:46 Prague ein

I would love to see Salpeter run the Pre Classic 3000m on June 30 against:

Almaz Ayana

Genzebe Dibaba

Sifan Hissan

Helen Obiri

Caster Semenya

plus two other women who are among the top 10 fastest 5000m runners All-TIme

I know Salpeter is focusing on the longer distance 10000m/ 1/2 marahon, and marathon; however, with her impressive improvement across the board, I think Salpeter could compete decently against the stack field and approach 8:25 but not faster.

You responded to me. Apparently you were interested enough in what I was talking about to reply, repeatedly. Nothing from your response here is on topic, either to me or this thread. What is "slither, slither"? The sound of you sliding off-topic?

Armstronglivs wrote:

Slither, slither. I am not interested in what anyone else was talking about. If anti-doping isn't vigorous then it is merely tokenism - and much of it is, as the numbers generally caught are but a fraction of those believed to be doping. So, again, the level of doping - anywhere - is a reflection of how poor anti-doping generally is. As the Jamaican whistleblower Renee Ann Shirley has said,"doping is present in all sports at elite levels and in all countries - with the active collusion of sports governance bodies."

I've mischaracterised you - yes, you are a 'doping denier in drag', but more like a climate-change denier, who continually acknowledges the existence of the problem while dismissing its real import, so your audience is led into thinking you have serious concerns when you don't.

in answer to your question,do i suspect lornah is on a drug program? yes,but i suspect about 90% of all other olympic leval athletes are.i cant prove it of course,and i dont know it for a fact.i actually didnt give her much thought.i knew shed broken a few israeli records,and ran in the rio olympic marathon,but when she ran a 31 minute 10'000,i thought 'wow,is she that good?i didnt know she could run that fast'.

I don't think you've made a single observation here about Salpeter's meteoric rise, the subject of the OP's thread. Your self-assigned role - in all instances - is to correct what you perceive as others' "errors" on the subject of doping, since you apparently possess more knowledge on the topic than anyone alive. You even appear to know more than Victor Conte, who was once a supplier of drugs - except you invariably come to the opposite conclusions that he does. Interesting that.

Yes. Trolls will be trolls.

i believe renee ann shirley is correct,so is victor conte.its a drug fest,and may the best chemically mixed cyborgs and corrupt systems win.apparently about half of all athletes at world championships/olympics are doped up,and about 90% of all olympic leval athletes dope.the athletes who do it clean are usually those from poorer countries,who get run out in the heats of races.a lot of of countries cant produce A or B qualifiers,so theyre allowed two athletes each,one per gender. plenty of olympic leval athletes from kenya,ethiopia,usa,uk,france,russia,morocco and other countries are doped,but due to stacked fields,and depth,they dont qualify for the olympics.lornah is just one of an endless line of dopers.

I thought you don't care what people write. OK, some observations: - I don't find Lonah Salpeter's rise unusually meteoric. It is plausibly the genuine result of legal training. - 2:19:46 is not a particularly fast or unrealistic time for a Kenyan women -- as we have seen, it is not that much faster than times Ingrid Kristiansen and Joan Benoit were running more than 30 years ago. 1 minute progress in 30 years is not noteworthy. - I think more women should be running faster in the marathon, but there are few fast races. With rare exceptions, they tend to be "tactical". - I don't doubt Victor Conte's expertise at supplying drugs to athletes. - This thread was never about drugs.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I don't think you've made a single observation here about Salpeter's meteoric rise, the subject of the OP's thread. Your self-assigned role - in all instances - is to correct what you perceive as others' "errors" on the subject of doping, since you apparently possess more knowledge on the topic than anyone alive. You even appear to know more than Victor Conte, who was once a supplier of drugs - except you invariably come to the opposite conclusions that he does. Interesting that.

What do you think of jeff tallon's post? It's interesting that he thinks that the athletes who do it "clean" are usually those from "poorer countries" who get run out of the preliminary heats in races.

That's an interesting take - I never thought of that. You do see many of these no-name athletes from 3rd countries get blown out of the prelims of the big events (e.g., 800, 1500, 3000 SC, 5000) of the Olympics/WC. But yet they're considered "elites" and would to have the "A" standard to even get their foot in the door. If it wouldn't be doping then - is there that much disparity between elite athletes? (maybe "elite" needs to be redefined and those being blown out of the prelims are really "sub-elite?").

I wouldn't think there would be that much disparity between elite athletes since running entails a simple form of training which is basically running (unlike basketball & baseball which not only involves physical skills but hand/eye coordination which take years and thousands of hours of development).

There's isn't much to running from a technical standpoint and there's only so much mileage, tempos, speed work, etc., that a runner can do before they breakdown and develope chronic injuries. The training is pretty much universal and the basics haven't changed over decades.

what i meant was many runners who get run out in the heats arent able to post a or b standard qualifiers,and they come from countries who havent reached the standard.thats why youll see 12-13 second(or even slower women in 100 meter races,for example.nations are allowed one athlete per gender in these situations at olympic and world leval,and most of those athletes are likely clean.B qualifiers also usually get run out in heats.Nations are allowed 3 A qualifiers per event,or 1 B qualifier.I think victor conte believes that 90% of all A standard athletes would be doping,and quite a few B's,but not most.Countries like usa(especially usa),ethiopia,japan in marathon,jamaica in sprinting,kenya,uk,germany,france and russia have many A leval standard athletes ,but because of their huge talent pools,a lot of them wont make national teams. perhaps conte believes 90% of A athletes dope,to get to that leval.i tend to agree with him,but i cant prove it.