Kip Keino and six other senior Kenyan officials charged with corruption

Maybe for all Olympic sports, but not in track and not in endurance events. GDR only won 6 medals, four men and two women: 2 Gold: men's 50km walk, and women's shotput 3 Silver: men's long jump, men's discus, and again women's shotput 1 Bronze: men's pole vault West Germany had 8 medals, six men and two women: 1 Gold, 4 Silver 3 Bronze Outside of the medals, for the male distance running events, East Germany had: 1 in the 800m, who took sixth, NONE in the 1500m, 1 in 5000m who didn't qualify for the finals, and NONE in the 10000m, and one runner in the marathon, 10 minutes behind GOLD Not a strong case in point for East German Bloc doping helping in endurance events, except the Gold in men's 50km race-walk. In Keino's event, the men's 1500m, third place behind Ryun was West Germany.

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You don't have the Eastern Bloc data on your side, even when ignoring the women. Again, Beyer, Cierpinski, ... In the 60s, Bolotnikov, Grodotzki, Odlozil, Lindner, Holubnychy, Golubnichy, Smaga, Höhne.

In total in 68, East Germany (appearing for the first time by themselves in the Olympics) beat West Germany with 9 : 5 golds, though a) they just started their doping program, and b) they had only 1/3 of the population.

Who has ever done that - doped?

Blood transfusions could help. Especially if you aren't that sick.

So he wasn't "that sick"? Or maybe not sick at all?

Whatever it was, it was an impressive recovery. Probably unprecedented.

When he wasn't sick, there was no need for recovery.

Oh, my lord. I abandoned this thread three years ago, after it become clear that "Armstronglivs" knew virtually nothing about the subject, despite (1) his assertion that he had run and followed the sport since the early 1960s and (2) the best efforts of knowledgeable commenters to educate him. He would simply keep posting until everyone else grew tired of him. And now, three years later, you've poked the slumbering beast, who apparently hasn't found anything more productive to do since then. Shame on you. :)

An assertion of how right you are isn't actually an argument. But blowing air sits well with you.

Just stfu.

Because of corruption (alleged) in 2022

scrapping the results of Kip Keino from 1968.

Because you are sore that Ryan did not win.

You speak of doping in 1968...were you even born ?

I had actually the luck to shake his hand many years ago in Paris. (Not that there is anything to it )

You are a a sore troll commenting garbled rehashed news to put down people with commendable achievements and great lives.

Get a life

I didn't assert how right I am, nor did I try to make an argument. I simply made some factual statements.

"Personally, I would like not only athletes with failed tests to have all their results scrubbed and medals handed back, but former athletes charged with corruption (or any crime relating to financial gain)."

How exactly does an alleged financial crime 50+ years after the fact invalidate an athletic performance?

If you didn't try to make an argument you succeeded.

Kenio's performance in 68 was the most obvious case of doping in the 60's.

Another thing to note about Kenio in 68 is that he had a clash of egos with John Velzian, the Dutch/South African who invented the myth of the natural born Kenyan runner, and who was their team manager. Kenio led an athlete rebellion because they felt that the public were giving Velzian too much credit for their success. So they forced Velzian to resign, and suddenly the Kenyans went to ^^^^. Rudisha's father suddenly started losing, Kenio suddenly started losing, they all suddenly turned into alsorans.

Kenio and the rest shamefacedly begged Velzian to return. He did, just in time for the Mexico Games, and the rest is history.

Coevett having a rough start to 2025. Keino getting free rent in his head still so this day.

A doper defending a fellow doper.