Now it gets interesting, Zane Robertson's ex-girlfriend Betty Desalegn (Jama Aden athlete) is busted for Biological Passport

Pretty overwhelming evidence. Tests on runners too.

rekrunner wrote:

Where were all the NON-AFRICAN MALE "Ramzis" during the two (or three) decades of the EPO-era?

EVERYWHERE: Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Ireland, Qatar, Brazil, etc.

logic fail wrote:

My ex-GF cheated on her then-husband, but that doesn't make me a cheater.

I'm so disappointed in you all. Waste of a good post.

logic fail wrote:

logic fail wrote:

My ex-GF cheated on her then-husband, but that doesn't make me a cheater.

I'm so disappointed in you all. Waste of a good post.

0/10

SkyRunner.Shiva.11333ft.com wrote:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7253868https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3623787https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3573270https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10912888

.....and rHuEPO significantly increases submaximal performance more than maximal aerobic capacity in this study:

Just Amazed With Trolls wrote:

For one, you're clueless on AAS agents...and you lose troll! ?. Pay attention college kid: T does improve performance & sprint speed:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6265-steroids-boost-performance-in-just-weeks/

Your conspiracy theory doesn't work when you link to a "10-second cycle sprint test".

We're talking about distance running in case you forgot. Your argument is debunked when you point to steroids and 10 seconds.

Tell It Like It Is wrote:

You're right troll...steroids don't increase sprinting speeds in rats

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/03/science/la-sci-growth-hormone-20100504

Lets keep playing...what's your next move troll?

You think this is a game we're "playing". It shows your mentality. You make damaging claims against top athletes in the sport, and you bring up "growth hormone".

"Injections of human growth hormone can improve sprint capacity enough to turn the last-place finisher in the Olympic 100-meter dash into a gold-medal winner, according to a study released Monday."

You are such a desperate loser that you want to bring up the 100 meter dash, when we're talking about distance runners. You are so pathetic that you have to resort to 200-pound sprinters in track who are the biggest runners. You lose the argument, and everyone can see.

I laughed! You are very smart, rekrunner.

All these advantages... It sounds like a late-night infomercial.

The reality is that bitter, depressed, skeptical, rational, immoral, humanist, jealous losers are making a conspiracy theory to try to bring down the top talent in the sport just to make up for their own shortcomings in life.

(Sigh) I was looking for examples of TOP performances. I thought that was clear. They are EVERYWHERE, except AT THE TOP.

EPO Mania wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Where were all the NON-AFRICAN MALE "Ramzis" during the two (or three) decades of the EPO-era?

EVERYWHERE: Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Ireland, Qatar, Brazil, etc.

Not Buying It wrote:

good_wiggler wrote:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3100466

"No improvements of AT and Vmax were found. No improvement of the competition running times was observed during the experimental period."

Nah...you don't win.

A "very low dose" of Winstrol was used (i.e., 10 mg a day for 6 weeks). 10 mg a day? Who uses a 10 mg dose? (maybe female athletes).

I'd like to see a larger based study with higher doses.

The study reached it's conclusions on a "very low dose" of an anabolic steriod.

Case is not closed. LOL

An article about a Harvard doctor has, "Testosterone gels (AndroGel and Testim) 5–10 mg/day".

You just look like a fool for asking about a "too low" dose. You claim that top athletes are cheating by using micro-doses at night to avoid detection from USADA testers. You claim that steroids are not used to bulk up with muscle, but that only low doses of steroids are used for "recovery". Now, you want to completely turn around 180 degrees and say that "low doses don't count." No, it doesn't work that way.

I found an article that debunks the usage of steroids for distance runners at the prescribed dose of "10 mg" per day for androgel. I win the argument unless you can find the contrary.

Indeed. Thanks. But not smart enough to stop posting to a small band of armchair "experts". All these studies -- if only elite marathons were run for 5 miles on a treadmill, or time to exhaustion on an indoor bike, or a 10 second sprint on a bike, or bench pressing, by well trained amateurs, or even better, by rats.

rekrunner wrote:

(Sigh) I was looking for examples of TOP performances.

I thought that was clear.

They are EVERYWHERE, except AT THE TOP.

FFS, what is your obsession with "at the top?" Do you think the sauce turns everyone into a sub-13 monster or a sub-3:30 speedster? Is that your stupid criteria; that if some elite shown to be on the sauce doesn't run sub-13, or sub-27, or sub-3:30, sub 2:09, or whatever cutoff you're using, then EPO isn't effective?

You've been shown runners "at the top "who have tested positive for EPO, you've been shown runners who have set WRs who tested positive for EPO, and you've been shown dozens of elites who tested positive for EPO. And several of these runners testing positive have won Olympic & WC gold, including one in particular who won double gold!

And what exactly is your foundation for runners "at the top?" Is it a specific time? A certain VO2max? What is your platform??? That EPO is effective for elites, but not for elites that you characterize as "at the top?" And if that's your position, then what about the elites who used EPO to elevate themselves "to the top?" Er?

You finally got it (although your benefit percentages are imo too high, and "micro-dosing" is "controlled dosing", which leads to almost the same benefits as unlimited doping). But that is also why so few people got caught, as history shows. Maybe now you can stop trolling around here.

I have another stats for you, as you used to claim that athletics is so much cleaner than cycling (cited from Guardian, Oct. 2015):

"Athletics, which this year has faced allegations of widespread doping, returned 261 adverse samples from 25,830 collected, while cycling detected banned substances in 221 samples out of 22,471."

1.0% vs. 1.0%. Lol.

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And back to outrageously obvious trolling again.

Inaccurate and incredibly racist use of the term first world by rekrunner in this thread.

Negative..."recent admissions by athletes" have explained how microdosing EPO at night will prevent any glowing the follow morning:

From the Morkeberg paper:

?"The second rHuEPO administration phase is performed closer to or during competition. Until recently, is was anticipated that rHuEPO was used out of competition when preparing for races only, but recent admissions by athletes have revealed the use of rHuEPO also in competition.7 Here, the restriction in the timing of sample collection is used to the advantage of the doping athlete. In general, doping control officers are not allowed to collect samples from 11:00 PM until 6:00 AM. Injecting a microdose of first-generation rHuEPOs in the evening shortly after 11:00 PM could theoretically be undetectable the following morning at 6:00 AM, when testers are allowed to collect samples again. The mode of administration may also affect the success of this method. A direct comparison of the first-generation rHuEPOs, alfa and beta, has shown that the terminal elimination half-life after subcutaneous administration is 24 hours for beta but 19 hours for alfa.31 Injecting rHuEPO IV decreases the half-life to 9 and 7 hours for beta and alfa, respectively.31"

Then how does it work? ? If your platform is that androgens & anabolic steroids (AAS) are ineffective for distance runners, then you should explain why there are literally dozens & dozens of distance runners, both male & female, who have been popped for either anabolic steroids or testosterone over the last 3 decades (see Wiki's list of doping cases for athletics). And unless you believe in a 100% detection rate for anti-doping, there would be more athletes that escape detection and are never caught.

Furthermore, some athletes have explained that AAS are used for recovery from suppressed T levels caused by high-volume training demands. Others have said AAS helps develope sprint speed (isn't sprint speed in the final kick an important component of mid-d events?). And the science does say that prolonged endurance exercise suppresses the endocrine system:

Maybe you should read the interview with Kisorio, who was popped for steroids a few yrs ago. He says it helped his stamina, and made him run "smooth."

So, if your scientific conclusion is that androgens & anabolic steroids are ineffective for distance running, I'd sure like an explanation as to why the dozens of runners popped for AAS would use such a worthless PED? ?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Inaccurate and incredibly racist use of the term first world by rekrunner in this thread.

That's putting it mildly. Unbelievable that people still respond to that troll.

rekrunner wrote:

(Sigh) I was looking for examples of TOP performances.

I thought that was clear.

They are EVERYWHERE, except AT THE TOP.

EPO Mania wrote:

EVERYWHERE: Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Ireland, Qatar, Brazil, etc.

TOP:

Galkina

Boulami

hey brojo....i mean reekdumber

if el G was found out to have sauced to the gills, you would disclaim him as not fast enough...you are moving into 2nd place as the most annoying worthless mother f8cker on these boards. congrats you only trail vent now, but at least you moved ahead of retardo by a k*nt hair

vent/calKunto : slurp fart idiot is this a joke, blah blah blah blah blah so annoying, oh and 15 quotes of himself arguing with himself

reekdumber : with all the evidence from marion jones, to ramzi, to boulami, to said, to lance armstrong etc etc etc...nope steriods and EPO have no effect because i want proof of it working on top runners.

retardo : EPO doesnt work on kenyans....err i mean EPO doesnt work on top tier kenyans, errr i mean EPO doesnt work on the athletes i coach

and yet here on LR we have what appears to be 1,000s of delusional fanboys who worship these three, almost as if they are the unholy trinity of bullsh*t.

sometimes it makes it hard to even look through the posts cause there is a guarantee you will have one of the three spouting worthless 15 paragraphs long bullsh*t.

maybe if we make these three happy they will shut up

1) give jim ryun the WR's in the 8/15, you know the mythical 1'39 and 3'24

2) have WADA, the IOC and whoever else say that PEDs dont work, this will make reekdumber shut up, and get the heat off of retardo. WR will fall again and LR moron fanboys will be super happy