Bekele would murder Lagat in the 10000m, despite the fact that he's had to take extended time off from ruining his body from intense training (something Lagat never did).
Bekele would murder Lagat in the 10000m, despite the fact that he's had to take extended time off from ruining his body from intense training (something Lagat never did).
Dirty as They Come wrote:
not so sure wrote:Bekele would have a chance to beat Rupp at the 10k. The strategy Rupp used didn't call for a huge kick which I don't think Bekele can muster due to lack of training. His endurance is still there, though, so it would have been a tough win for Rupp. I'd probably take Bekele over Rupp with how that race played out.
No, Bekele wouldn't have won the 5k because he can't do speed work. If he went and set a 13 low pace, though, he would have had a good shot at winning. He would just have to take the kick out of them.
Well, yeah, sure. You would have a chance at beating Rupp too. Do you mean the same Rupp who beat Bekele in London in 2012? Here are the results that you obviously don't know:
1st Mo Farah Great Britain 27:30.42
2nd Galen Rupp United States 27:30.90
3rd Tariku Bekele Ethiopia 27:31.43
4 Kenenisa Bekele Ethiopia 27:32.44
So a healthy Rupp in his prime is going to lose to Bekele, a guy he was better than 4 years ago, who now is 4 years further into his decline? Keep dreaming.
Lagat closed in 52.82 in the 5K while Centro and Andrews closed in 53.95 and 54.27, respectively, in the 1500.
Think about that for a moment...
knower of lots of stuff wrote:
Dirty as They Come wrote:Well, yeah, sure. You would have a chance at beating Rupp too. Do you mean the same Rupp who beat Bekele in London in 2012? Here are the results that you obviously don't know:
1st Mo Farah Great Britain 27:30.42
2nd Galen Rupp United States 27:30.90
3rd Tariku Bekele Ethiopia 27:31.43
4 Kenenisa Bekele Ethiopia 27:32.44
So a healthy Rupp in his prime is going to lose to Bekele, a guy he was better than 4 years ago, who now is 4 years further into his decline? Keep dreaming.
Lagat closed in 52.82 in the 5K while Centro and Andrews closed in 53.95 and 54.27, respectively, in the 1500.
Think about that for a moment...
I've thought about it. Quite typical. Point?
Off what previous lap did BL run that finisher..? Fairly sure it was not what those 1500 guys had maintained for 1100m.
knower of lots of stuff wrote:
Dirty as They Come wrote:Well, yeah, sure. You would have a chance at beating Rupp too. Do you mean the same Rupp who beat Bekele in London in 2012? Here are the results that you obviously don't know:
1st Mo Farah Great Britain 27:30.42
2nd Galen Rupp United States 27:30.90
3rd Tariku Bekele Ethiopia 27:31.43
4 Kenenisa Bekele Ethiopia 27:32.44
So a healthy Rupp in his prime is going to lose to Bekele, a guy he was better than 4 years ago, who now is 4 years further into his decline? Keep dreaming.
Lagat closed in 52.82 in the 5K while Centro and Andrews closed in 53.95 and 54.27, respectively, in the 1500.
Think about that for a moment...
Mofong wrote:
Vivalarepublica wrote:This whole scenario reminds me of Regina Jacobs. Too good to be true. I have no evidence whatsoever, but that's what it feels like.
Except Regina was running her best times.
His 5K last lap split is still near some of his best 5K finishing splits ever. That last lap was about equal to how he won the 2007 Worlds 5K. Except this Trials 5K was a faster overall race. To me, that is too good to be true.
http://www.iaaf.org/news/report/event-report-mens-5000m-final-2Vivalarepublica wrote:
Mofong wrote:Except Regina was running her best times.
His 5K last lap split is still near some of his best 5K finishing splits ever. That last lap was about equal to how he won the 2007 Worlds 5K. Except this Trials 5K was a faster overall race. To me, that is too good to be true.
http://www.iaaf.org/news/report/event-report-mens-5000m-final-2
Pretty sure he closed in like 51 in a 13 flat pace. That is far superior to 52.6 in a 13:35 race.
So when a mile race is won in 3:58 and Bekele has closed his last mile of a 10k race (that's a 10k race) in 4:01... Probably too deep for you to figure out but then you aren't very intelligent, so don't think about it for a moment, save your brain cells.
knower of lots of stuff wrote:
Dirty as They Come wrote:Well, yeah, sure. You would have a chance at beating Rupp too. Do you mean the same Rupp who beat Bekele in London in 2012? Here are the results that you obviously don't know:
1st Mo Farah Great Britain 27:30.42
2nd Galen Rupp United States 27:30.90
3rd Tariku Bekele Ethiopia 27:31.43
4 Kenenisa Bekele Ethiopia 27:32.44
So a healthy Rupp in his prime is going to lose to Bekele, a guy he was better than 4 years ago, who now is 4 years further into his decline? Keep dreaming.
Lagat closed in 52.82 in the 5K while Centro and Andrews closed in 53.95 and 54.27, respectively, in the 1500.
Think about that for a moment...
Dirty as They Come wrote:
He got dropped and had no answer when Rupp made his move. Which part of his second place finish in 2:12:20 did you find unworldly? There was nothing in that performance that even remotely compared to dropping a 52 and 4:03 last 1600 and passing 5 sub 13:10 guys in the process.
I didn't say it was as good as what Lagat did, BUT..........
hot day in LA that day?? Rupp is only worth 2:11??? Are you the same guy who insists RUPP IS ON DRUGS!! (but can only run 2:11 ?), or are you the fan-boy who insists RUPP IS GONNA MEDAL IN THE MARATHON! (but....can only run 2:11 in his debut ??) Flanagan and Desi are 2:30 runners? HOT......DAY = great performance by Meb. Pounded everyone but Rupp.
So.....not as good as Lagat, but an amazing performance by a master runner, yes, in the "same ball park" at least as what Lagat did. (as far as the people Lagat beat, Rupp hardly counts as he wasn't running/training to win that race, True is a shell of his 2015 self, Hill....don't know what happened to him. Lagat is an all time great. This just cemented that)
Hiya folks wrote:
Forcerunner wrote:Like Ben True, his family, his wife, heartbroken. Heartbroken out there. As a result of someone of very very questionable, very questionable means.
I'm confused . . . did Lagat tell True to walk the first 1k? If he did, I could see Torrence maybe having a point here. But I doubt Lagat did, and either way True is a big boy who can make his own decisions.
THIS!
Matt Carpenter at age 41 broke the Leadville course record. 15:42 for 100 miles at age 41...The record still stands. It's genetics.
[quote]U NO Nothing dippy wrote:
So when a mile race is won in 3:58 and Bekele has closed his last mile of a 10k race (that's a 10k race) in 4:01...
Probably too deep for you to figure out but then you aren't very intelligent, so don't think about it for a moment, save your brain cells.
THIS^^^^
this is rejina jacobs male version, but since its a nice charismatic kenyan who is protected by nike, usatf and the IOC then there is nothing that will be done about it
And what does his AR age grade to?
Truth. Why would the youngsters set the race up perfectly for Lagat?
First 1k at 15:30 pace? Sheer stupidity on their part, played right into Lagat's wheelhouse. As posted this was not a 1310 race from the opening gun, but a 3600m. effort with a 'tag' 400m. on the end.
Juice or No Juice; pathetic strategy by the field.
lagat has many sheep fans wrote:
knower of lots of stuff wrote:The age graded time for a 41 yr old running a 13:35 5K is 12:47 (per
http://www.runnersworld.com/pace-calculators/age-grade-calculator). So, Lagat, in a tactical championship race, essentially broke his AR of 12:53.
I think Lagat is an excellent ambassador for US T&F. I hope he's clean. I really do. But I honestly have my doubts...
Yet another great point using science. Seems the only people defending Lagat are doing so based on emotions and feelings. The real mathematically minded are pointing out obvious statistical anomalies that don't add up. Too many liberal arts majors on LR apparently.
3:26 is a stat. Closing in 51 in a race more than 30 seconds faster is a stat. He has clearly been on a decline. Do you know how age grading is calculated?
Most "defenders" acknowledge that it is certainly possible that he, like any other elite, is doping, but that this race shouldn't raise a flag any more than his other good performances of the last 20 years. He's shown that he is capable of this and it shouldn't have shocked anyone.
i agree with spencer wrote:
this is rejina jacobs male version, but since its a nice charismatic kenyan who is protected by nike, usatf and the IOC then there is nothing that will be done about it
The difference between what Lagat is doing compared to what ReGina did have been pointed out numerous times for those who can't easily understand them without help.
Uh no. If you want to claim that there is something unusual about Lagats performance fine. But it is in no way comparable to Jacobs who was running all time personal bests when she was 40. BL is no where close to his younger self.
i agree with spencer wrote:
this is rejina jacobs male version, but since its a nice charismatic kenyan who is protected by nike, usatf and the IOC then there is nothing that will be done about it
Age grading isn't science, idiot.
oh well then please do tell
i see that she was top of her game for years then started to decline a bit then back to the top of her game at 39yrs old, if it wasnt for trevor graham she would have never been popped for THG, and you would be sucking her c*ck like you are on lagat as well
people dont crush it with ease 20 yrs past their prime unless your on some juice, but yeah be ignorant and gullible all you want
lagat doing this at 41 is worse than caster being a hermaphrodite and beating normal girls
People speaking against Lagat lose the argument by speaking in hyperbole. 20 years past his prime? His best years for 5000 were 2006-2011 (three medals, American record, outkicked Bekele)...not quite 20 years ago.
Also, if you look at the statistics of his times and how fast he kicks off different paces, he's nowhere near his peak. It's not his fault the American competition sucks.
Is he doping? Has he doped? Who knows, but there's actual evidence to show it, people need to just move on. He has gradually gotten slower every single season for the past 5 years. Last year, he was sick or else he would have won USA's then, too. The fact he keeps winning USA's isn't that significant. Look at how he places at Worlds. It's unlikely he will top the 4th from 2012 or the 6th from 2013.