Official: Paul Radcliffe statement

One thing that was put to me recently by a coach of some elite athletes is that releasing your blood scores may show up some medical issues that you may want to keep private. If someone has cancer for example.

I don't know what would happen if Paula was pregnant for example, would that make the score higher or lower? Should we be pushing for blood scores to made available of any athlete?

Certainly a difficult one because part of me is thinking that we're heading to a stage where every athlete may need to be open about their test results in the future. There are problems with this though.

i thought she said the other two were altitude and the villmoura was due to dehydration, antibiotics, etc. and test within 2 hours

where did she ever say that 3rd test was altitude excused? she did not

Mitochondria wrote:

a question : if PR used EPO, should not her VO²Max have increased??

A clean athlete turning to EPO would see an increase in VO2Max.

But, you can't say that the "Her VO2 Max didn't change" soundbite means that she didn't take EPO.

It could mean that she was doping before the first test.

It could mean that she was tested once, and they knew it wouldn't change, so they never did another.

It could mean that they did the test, but knew that a change in Vo2 max beyond what is typical for periodization/altitude may be red flag.

I was quoting directly from Paula's statement "All of these three cases followed periods of altitude training".

So yes, she did say this. And she also said that none of the tests came from any of her best performances when one came directly after winning the world half marathon champs by over a minute and 2 weeks after setting a world best half marathon time at the great north run.

I was quoting directly from Paula's statement "All of these three cases followed periods of altitude training".

So yes, she did say this. And she also said that none of the tests came from any of her best performances when one came directly after winning the world half marathon champs by over a minute and 2 weeks after setting a world best half marathon time at the great north run.

keep to the facts wrote:

i thought she said the other two were altitude and the villmoura was due to dehydration, antibiotics, etc. and test within 2 hours

where did she ever say that 3rd test was altitude excused? she did not

In her statement, she said:

"Furthermore, they were all conducted following prolonged periods of altitude training,"

Even so, assuming the altitude-adjusted probabilities: 1/100, 1/80, 1/70 (don't remember the exact numbers, but it's somewhere around there), The joint probability of those 3 scores occurring randomly, and not as a result of doping is 0.000179%. I know the test wasn't administered perfectly, and that the bio passport didn't go live until 2009, and that under 1/100 values aren't followed up by IAAF. But 0.000179%, even if not perfectly precise, smells fishy. And the only thing that could bring more context to that very low probability is more information, which Paula possesses but doesn't want to release. Stinks of filth.

DHT123, good investigative stuff, if someone is cheating and lying this, amongst other things, is how they get caught out. Lets hope the journalists who are writing for the Times, Mail, Irish Ind, etc are reading this and the other PR thread and picking up on a the points and evidence raised.

Good investigative stuff wrote:

DHT123, good investigative stuff, if someone is cheating and lying this, amongst other things, is how they get caught out. Lets hope the journalists who are writing for the Times, Mail, Irish Ind, etc are reading this and the other PR thread and picking up on a the points and evidence raised.

For any Journo's reading this, here is direct proof that she raced 3 stright weekends in the UK in the month before Vilamoura.

So when was she at Altitute?

Maybe 'periods of altitude training' is code for something else?

twoggle2 wrote:

In her statement, she said:

"Furthermore, they were all conducted following prolonged periods of altitude training,"

I pointed that out already, including her little trick to not say how closely the tests came after the altitude. One of the many posts that got deleted here.

Can blood doping be carried out autonomously?

I'm assuming not, and that an athlete must either visit a doctor or have the doctor come to them in order to dope in this way.

Correct?

If so, then surely there must be travel patterns associated with athletes that dope?

Is there any evidence of such travel patterns with Paula?

I find it amazing that PED usage among athletes is supposedly high, and yet there seems to be precious little information or rumour about those who supply or administer the PEDs.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that athletics has its own omertà just like cycling had (and may still have).

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cleans wrote:

Can blood doping be carried out autonomously?

I'm assuming not, and that an athlete must either visit a doctor or have the doctor come to them in order to dope in this way.

Correct?

If so, then surely there must be travel patterns associated with athletes that dope?

Is there any evidence of such travel patterns with Paula?

I find it amazing that PED usage among athletes is supposedly high, and yet there seems to be precious little information or rumour about those who supply or administer the PEDs.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that athletics has its own omertà just like cycling had (and may still have).

Cycling has revealed many trade secrets of doping.

In general, blood transfusions are best done with a team of doctors or trained staff: the logistics of refrigeration, storage, and moving it in secrecy can rarely be done by the athlete.

Many riders talk about being shown how to use EPO: dosing, injection procedure, storage ect.

Accessibility is through many means. Team doctors for one, but also teammates who have a connection, or a personal doctor, or a family member, or a personal friend. Remember that Hesch drove to Mexico to buy it. It's also possible to buy online.

If you're curious, go read a body building forum. You can find comprehensive information about any kind of performance enhancement, including dosing, cycles, access. It's crazy

Paula is a liar wrote:

For any Journo's reading this, here is direct proof that she raced 3 stright weekends in the UK in the month before Vilamoura.

http://www.thepowerof10.info/athletes/profile.aspx?athleteid=1341&viewby=dateasc

So when was she at Altitute?

Maybe 'periods of altitude training' is code for something else?

It's not a lie. Parts of England are over 3000 feet, but there's confusion over which signs/maps have been metrified. She thought she was over 3000 meters.

Paula can do no wrong, because I've spoken with her personally in Beijing.

Big question here is how would an altitude tent affect scores? If she came down from altitude, but continued to sleep in a tent (she was definitely using these hypo coco tents when at sea level) could that affect the scores?

Recent altitude is 15 days previous for bio-passport purposes

Big question here is how would an altitude tent affect scores? If she came down from altitude, but continued to sleep in a tent (she was definitely using these hypo coco tents when at sea level) could that affect the scores?

This is an excellent point and well uncovered, well done that forumite.

Let us consider if the information we have now is all we ever get. A high percentage of those that are informed, follow running closely and know sports science would be suspicious. The problem is that this a tiny proportion of people who watched and followed Paula. The vast majority of those that are not so interested and may have caught the sky news coverage will think she is innocent. This is her best position, so why provide anything else.

Personally I think there is a duty on the GOAT female marathon runner to release everything and this should trump any worries about others using it to cheat ect. Millions believed in you and cheered you on to those performances Paula, do the right thing.