ALBERTO RELEASES STATEMENT

KMB wrote:

[quote]Precious Roy wrote:

But, if you are going to perfect a microdosing program, you certainly would not be emailing a doctor about it and save those emails for all to see. You would do everything 100% underground and destroy everything.

This is raw, unsupported, and unjustified speculation. Salazar may be rightfully paranoid, but he's been demonstrably careless about plenty of things so far (medications and syringes left behind in cars and hotel suites, and in the case of Rupp, a wallet with lots of cash in it). Therefore, it makes no sense for you to pretend to know how his mind operates. Are you a megalomaniac? Probably not, so it's not legitimate to try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who may be, and those personality types can get complacent.

Besides, don't you think he would actually rather have a record of these things somewhere than just destroy them? We've already seen evidence of his meticulous record-keeping going back more than 10 years in some cases,

The carelessness that you're talking about would actually be supportive of them not doping. He is clearly a paranoid and detail-obsessive person. What kind of person, especially a particularly paranoid person, would be so careless as to risk their entire livelihood by leaving behind supposed evidence of something that would destroy their entire career, public standing, reputation, and possibly leave them with jail time?? If he was running a doping clinic, how would he possibly leave all of his evidence behind and unattended and then encourage a near-stranger to go pick it up? Isn't it FAR, FAR more likely that he would leave behind a regular prescription that he uses for a personal condition?

Come on.

ROJO mentions being on the phone all day with his sources? In other words you were on the phone with the Goucher's and with Magness asking if they have any physical evidence for their claims.

It is so sad you can't just admit that unless someone comes forward with more than "he said she said" story that indeed, Salazar may indeed be paranoid and on a power trip, but there is no concrete evidence of doping.

Additionally ROJO I think your time today might be better suited to speaking with your lawyer because Heaven help you with Nike comes after you.

From the beginning of this story you have been reveling in bringing Salazar down. Unfortunately with your time clock on the front page yesterday you just look like a petulant child who has had their toys taken away from them.

Finally as hayward102 just pointed out, you might think about reading Salazar's rebuttal 3 or 4 more times as your analysis has been refuted once again. Man-up and admit you were wrong otherwise your already shaky credentials will be non-existent.

Galen Rupp in the flesh wrote:

The Champ wrote:

POD

Post of the decade.

LOL ... by far the weakest of the PR firm posts so far.

pop_pop! wrote:

TJR25 wrote:

The fact is that the NOP did not abuse the TUE system regardless of whatever diagnosis Dr. Brown gave anyone, and that is half of the argument.

Hey, wait. You are not acknowledging your false claims and just moving on?

We agree NOP did not abuse the TUE system because the TUE system has no method for identifying/sanctioning abuse. Al Sal's many failed TUE attempts as an athlete is a great example.

Hold up, wasn't one of the main points of the accusations that Salazar and Crew tried to abuse the system?

And we are not talk I my about him as an athlete, we are talking about the NOP.

Another skinny Canadian wrote:

Yep. I'll say it again. This was a solid rebuttal. Dynamic is changed.

Yes, Salazar is about to go down. Cash your crises-control checks from Salazar as quickly as you. There isn't enough money to pay your exorbitant fees.

I'm here for the drug buzt wrote:

Read it and actually noted in addition to Rojo, that Salazar clearly falsified details.

The time line with Kara is indeed inaccurate with the Cytomel.

Given the number of internal inconsistencies in the letter, along with the various issues that Salazar flat-out fails to address, it's astonishing that anyone who has carefully gone over it can see it as any better than "Look, the dog ate my homework and I have e-mails from him to prove it," much less a knockdown refutation of Magness et al.

The e-mail exchanges are red herrings that only people convinced in advance of Salazar's innocence or relative innocence could perceive as exculpatory. People manage to forget how easy it is to selectively edit things like e-mail and text-message exchanges and leave entire portions of the conversation out (see: University of Toledo head coach resigns, Feb. 2013).

I think people are interpreting Salazar's willingness to take unrestrained punches at Magness' competence and as well as his character (ditto Adam Goucher) as a sign that he must be clean, or at least less dirty than his accusers have claimed. After all, would a guilty man evince so much sheer confidence and bravado? (As if no one's ever tried that before only to be later nailed to the wall.)

CanYouEvenread wrote:

Can someone clarify on the issue of the TUEs and thyroid medication. Salazar showed they do not abuse the TUE system, however, thyroid medication can still aid training effects. Is a TUE required if you are in an out of competition mode? So could Salazar have athletes take thyroid meds for a long time during base phase, get the enhanced training affect, and then cut them off for the racing season?

Thyroid medication isn't on the banned list, and doesn't require a TUE.

Salazar was very specific in saying that Rupp has had two TUE's since 2010. I would like to know what TUE's he's experimented with in the past and what made him stop using the drugs that he was using when getting TUE's prior to 2010.

Perhaps Salazar started giving Galen more "massages" in 2010 and as a result his doping regimen became so effective that he doesn't have to mess around with TUE's anymore.

I find it very hard to believe that Gatlin's massage therapist rubbed Rupp's shoulders 3 years after Gatling's suspension, and as a result Salazar decided to experiment by giving his kids testosterone. Even if Salazar knows how much androgel it would take for someone to sabotage Rupp, that does nothing to prevent it from happening. It's troubling that Salazar has androgel with him all the time, gives Galen massages, and knows exactly how much androgel would result in a positive drug test.

PR firm? If you still believe the accusations after this then you are seriously stupid.

Frued's is Here wrote:

Galen Rupp in the flesh wrote:

Post of the decade.

LOL ... by far the weakest of the PR firm posts so far.

1. If someone rubs androgel on your shoulders, it doesn't feel like someone rubbing your shoulders. It feels like someone rubbing two tablespoons of jelly on your shoulders.

LOL @ Frued's employee. Don't angry. It is obvious you are here and posting like made.

ya..... wrote:

PR firm? If you still believe the accusations after this then you are seriously stupid.

"It is impossible to be a world class runner or win Olympic Medals without using PEDs," Alberto Salazar.

End of story. That is what he believes, that is what he practices.

Every NOPer is a doper.

2. We don't care how many of 55 runners (55?) used drugs. We want to know how many of the 5 or 10 who ever ran well enough to make a world championship team were using drugs.

Trying to be objective wrote:

I think people need to look at this with some objectivity....

Objectivity is a worthy but elusive goal, especially for such an emotionally loaded topic as this..

Here's one way to think about the allegations exercise that might help you be more objective. Start by asking which of the allegations or rebuttals you find most convincing. You might even score each by how believable you think it is. Then ask yourself why you believe the allegation or rebuttal. What evidence could you give to prove that it was true?

When you are doing this, be honest. If you believe Kara because you think she's believable while you think Alberto's a lying sack of shit, then write that down. (If this is what you think, you should also ask, "Why do I believe Kara? Why do I think Alberto is a liar?)

After you have the list of the evidence you find convincing, they ask yourself what evidence the other side could give that would get you to change your mind.

If you are being honest, there's a good chance you'll find that be surprised by where you end up. You might even find you've set the bar so high that there's not a lot the other side can do to get you to change your mind.

The goal here isn't to get you to change your mind. It's simply to get you to know your mind, by being honest with yourself. Once you've done that, you can ask lots of other interesting questions.

Trying to be objective wrote:

The carelessness that you're talking about would actually be supportive of them not doping. He is clearly a paranoid and detail-obsessive person. What kind of person, especially a particularly paranoid person, would be so careless as to risk their entire livelihood by leaving behind supposed evidence of something that would destroy their entire career, public standing, reputation, and possibly leave them with jail time?? If he was running a doping clinic, how would he possibly leave all of his evidence behind and unattended and then encourage a near-stranger to go pick it up? Isn't it FAR, FAR more likely that he would leave behind a regular prescription that he uses for a personal condition?

Come on.

All I can say is that I've seen plenty of competent people make some very dumb mistakes. And if someone is trying to keep things hidden every day of his life, and by the very nature of his job is doing a great deal of traveling and staying in hotels, and by the nature of what he's hiding is forced to keep track of a lot of different chemicals, then it's actually very easy for me to believe that even a paranoiac would trip over himself from time to time.

As far as holding on to e-mails -- most people, even when perpetrating frauds ranging from online marital affairs to actual crimes, are not in the habit of deleting things at the first opportunity. Unless you're a Wall Street criminal or someone the feds might genuinely be interested in -- and Salazar is not and never will be -- you hold on to things assuming that if you suddenly need to delete that stuff, you'll certainly get the chance before what you've saved can get you in trouble. Salazar himself is a case in point -- the e-mails he's showed the world are things he's releasing of his own volition, not stuff that amounts to everything a bunch of federal cops found after raiding his e-mail accounts.

Salazar is showing the world exactly what he wants the world to see while trying to projecti a mien of glasnost and hoping people won't ask, "Okay, but what about what HE said?" So far it's proving to be effective on many people, at least here.

webby wrote:

We don't care how many of 55 runners (55?) used drugs. We want to know how many of the 5 or 10 who ever ran well enough to make a world championship team were using drugs.

Rupp, Farah, Centro, ?, and ?

Hey! Don't let this thread exceed my 9000 post thread.

xcskier66 wrote:

There must be several trolls posting positive things on alberto. It simply is not within the spirit of letsrun to say so many positive things about a person.

The default on letsrun has historically been every single fast runner is 100% a doper (and I have a hotter wife than them).

personally, I think he's guilty. THis is how the Lance thing started. It took a decade to sort it out in the court system.

If the law gets behind this, Alberto is dead to rights in my opinion.

Consider this... By taking a positive stance on Alberto, a poster is also attacking the Brojos. And, since it is much more likely the Brojos will read their post than Mr. Salazar, they are getting much more bang for their trolling buck by taking the side of the embattled coach. So, defending NOP is actually more in the spirit of this forum than it would be to continue attacking it.

I didn't know that you didn't need a TUE for Thyroid meds, and my thinking was that if you did need a TUE for Thyroid meds, then the limited use of TUE's would prove that the NOP does not use thyroid meds.

But people were accusing Salazar and Crew of abusing TUE's and a TUE would mean that the dose of albuterol would be over the allowed limit (for a severe asthma attack I am assuming). No one is (or should be) questioning the use of albuterol below the limit because Galen Rupp has asthma.

As for the article, that cleared some of it up for me. I think before we jump to any conclusions, Dr. Brown needs to be researched more and his practice investigated and if it is found that he is falsely diagnosing people with thyroid problems and prescribing them drugs for it then he should deal with the repercussions. It is not the fault of the NOP of they are taking a drug (that is not brand new) that is legal and might give them an advantage over the East Africans.

Has Galen ever gone to another doctor(s) and not been diagnosed with thyroid problems? that would be another good indicator, especially if there are more than one or two.

"Galen has never taken a banned substance in violation of the WADA Code."

So he could have taken tons of banned substances, presumably. He never popped a positive test proving he was in violation of the WADA Code.