Dominguez detained in doping investigation

I just have to say this....are you F*^KING retarted?

EPO is real. It works all the time and every time. How many commercials have you seen on aranesp, epogen, and procrit, etc? I know I havent seen any.

Medicine does not make you sick. It can keep you alive if you need it. How does a drug that causes the body to make more red blood cells make someone sick? The only danger is if they use too much and their hematocrit rises to a level which makes their blood have a sludge like consistency.

are you serious? wrote:

I just have to say this....are you F*^KING retarted?

Actually no... I still have my original tarts.

Your list is very interesting. But, incidentally, there are no Kenyans....

Do you think that in Iten or Eldoret is it possible to change blood very easy, and to have the opportunity to find the drugs you speak about ?

Ok, may be that the bad mzungu coach or manager can give them for enhancing their perfromances.

But, if you assune that the coach (myself) never give anything, because this is my mentality ; and they meet the manager not longer than for 10 days in one year, in his office, for speaking about their competitions and about their contracts, where do you think these athletes can follow precise and scientific strategies for doping, in the way to appear clean in their antidoping control (each of them has not less of 10-15 controls out of competition, when in Kenya) ?

It's very clear you don't know anything about Africa (the Africa of top runners). You start your thought from the idea that you have of the organisation in US and Europe : hospitals in every town, pharmacies every where, possibility to buy every type of drug online, laboratories for every type of research.

Unfortunately for African people, for example in Eldoret there is a good hospital that, only 2 years ago, had the opportunity to have a machine for MRI, and there is only ONE lab for the blood tests, very simple (but with the research for malaria as central point).

How I had the opportunity to explain to the IAAF antidoping commission, the rules are the same in every part of the World, but the life is not the same.

For example, while athletes of US / Europe / Oceania are able to use personally the form for their whereabouts, in Africa there is one athlete every 200 having the possibility to directly communicate with IAAF aboutv their whereabouts, because are not able to use internet or cant have the possibility to connect in their area.

I have to update about 5-10 whereabouts every day, because now the athletes learnt that they have to inform IAAF (thru my messages) of every time cant respect their window of one hour every day. And their life too many times ask them to do something quickly, because when you are a top Kenyan athlete you become the referement for all your village and you have to take care of a lot of persons, everybody with sudden problems.

You don't know anything about African life, but you pretend to speak.

Sorry, or you have a very low level of intelligence, or you refuse to use your brain.

I hope that the right options is the second : in this case, you have still time for learning that the normal life is not organised according your specific and local knowledge.

I wonder what they'll find out.

Presumedly they would agree with Renato and find that Kenyans are too poor and stupid to ever do PEDs. At least Renato didn't go down the 'East Africans are too nice to ever cheat at sport, they're just not brought up like that' route that some fanboys take.

He just went with poor and stupid.

I think he said that they are poor, but you are the stupid one.

IAAF Long Suspicious of Marta Domínguez

http://www.letsrun.com/2010/marta-1223.php

Despite the fact the IAAF has not yet begun using biological passports, which would permit the organization to sanction athletes based on indirect evidence alone (and without the need to have a positive drug test), antidoping agents are already all too familiar with the various methods athletes use to cheat the system. This sophisticated cheating leads to the sort of excessive “correctness” that in the end focused their attention on Domínguez. Such deceptive methods involve using EPO in small doses following a stay at altitude, and coupling this with an antidiuretic hormone. This hormone, which, while normally used to treat incontinence and bed-wetting, does leave the following trace: an increased volume of red blood cells. This effect, consequently, has been observed in the profiles of a number of suspicious athletes.

Early I say the same. Just read.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=3838609&thread=3823157

I know one famous runner that I guess that he is one of those that Renato would admit that he is world top class, and one Russian doctor told me that during the training period when he was out of competition, the runner he did use EPO in small dosage and that way will not be detected by the drug test, be surprise test out of the competition or test during the competition. Rumours ? I guess it’s true.

article from el pais translated by google

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Francis obikwelu in trouble?

No, no, no,...Africans would NEVER dope. NO, no, no,...Africans are just being oppresed. No, no, no,...Africans are superhuman. God is African and will clear all the Africans from any wrongdoing. Let the ghosts come out of the closet.

I see I am too late in this discussion. A lot of pure garbage has been written. Especially Canova excelled, as usually.

The fact is that since 1995 every top endurance athlete has been on EPO. It was undetectable, so everybody from the world's elite used it. I say "everybody from the world's elite", not "the best athletes", because it gave such an advantage that natural athletes had no chance.

When you look at annual statistics from 1994-96, you can read the cheaters' names with ease. It was a shocking improvement within a single year, in the whole Africa - be it Morocco, Ethiopia or Kenya. So the usual excuses about "newly introduced training methods" are ridiculous. Interestingly, the times of Europeans improved, too, and again worsened in the same time like in Africans, when anti-EPO tests started to improve after 2000. This suggests that EPO was abused by B/C-class European athletes as well, but due to their mediocre talent, they were barely able to match the performance level of the previous generation of the eighties.

Now the performance level in the 800/1500 m is only marginally better than in 1985 (don't be fooled by WR of Rudisha; the rest of runners ran even slower than the last year), and in the 3-10 km it is roughly on the level we would expect without doping. So, against all the pesimistic claims, the war against blood doping is, to a large extent, victorious. However, it is only a matter of time, until new Angel Heredia appears on the scene with some "innovative" coctails.

Czech guy wrote:

Now the performance level in the 800/1500 m is only marginally better than in 1985 (don't be fooled by WR of Rudisha; the rest of runners ran even slower than the last year)

Kaki ran a PB and national record of 1:42.23 in 2010. Silas Kiplagat and Amine Laalou both broke 3:30, the first time since 2006 that two or more men broke 3:30 in the same season. In total, Rudisha became the fastest 800m runner ever and Kaki became the fifth fastest ever. In the 1500m this last year, Silas Kiplagat became the tenth fastest man in history, and Laalou became the sixteenth fastest. Overall, the middle distances were much improved over last year.

I see you put yourself on top of the heap.

Czech guy wrote:

I see I am too late in this discussion. A lot of pure garbage has been written.

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Usual drug obsessed nonsense from you Czech guy.

I'll say it again, since you missed it. World Records will get faster and faster with or without drugs. Strides will get longer, and you don't need pharmacology to achieve this.

Kaki ran a PB and national record of 1:42.23 in 2010. Silas Kiplagat and Amine Laalou both broke 3:30, the first time since 2006 that two or more men broke 3:30 in the same season. In total, Rudisha became the fastest 800m runner ever and Kaki became the fifth fastest ever. In the 1500m this last year, Silas Kiplagat became the tenth fastest man in history, and Laalou became the sixteenth fastest. Overall, the middle distances were much improved over last year.

Really? LOL

I repeat it over and over again, but I see it is a waste of time. Please, check the running standards in mid 80's and compare them with today's performances. I wouldn't suppose that anybody with a decent knowledge of the sport would celebrate 1:42,23 in the 800 m as a big achievment. But actually, in a discipline that has stagnated since 1985, you may be partly true.

Usual drug obsessed nonsense from you Czech guy.

I'll say it again, since you missed it. World Records will get faster and faster with or without drugs. Strides will get longer, and you don't need pharmacology to achieve this.

I don't want to hurt your naiveté, but hardly any running record in the last 2 decades has been technically "clean". And I think I am still very optimistic. Drugged athletes got ahead the limits of human potential a long time ago. Today's milers run 3 seconds slower than during the Golden EPO era between 1995-2000. If they are (finally) clean, it means that the distance hasn't practically improved at all since 1985.

Every sprinter under 9.80 has been caught so far. And considering that EPO can give you an advantage of some 40 seconds in the 10 000 m, you can only guess what a percentage of runners under 27:00 didn't use it. Think about it. Please.

2/10

no I give _you_ 1/10.

I give you 0.5/10

Strides will get longet until we can run a marathon in one stride. I think so indeed. Yep, it's how the world works.

There is no limit on stride length.

JO has already conceded that his stride length argument is not applicable to sprints.

Czech guy, neither Bolt, Gay, Powell, Carter, or Greene has tested positive, and all have run under 9.8

The fact that I happen to agree that they are all doping is beside the point. Please get your facts straight--when you post false statements of fact, it undermines the credibility of anybody who may agree with your basic premise.