Biological Male Will Be Racing In Girls Division At CA State Meet

Typically, people that make simple things overly complicated lack basic understanding. I've read all of your comments. You fall neatly into that category.

He took third!?

If the runner who finished third changes their tactics there is a strong chance they beat Sadie for the state title.

If this misogyny is allowed to continue I reckon we’ve got 2-3 more seasons before their are frequently womens/girls podiums with no females on it…

Unfortunately, it’s only a matter of if they want to or not since they know the hornets nest they kick if they do…

It’s really not that complicated. WA doesn’t question the womanhood of any trans or intersex woman, but only sets eligibility requirements, previously based only on T and now also with the prepubertal transition requirement. If you are going to argue about sport, at least use the language and dignity your sport’s governing body accords to them.

Sex verification is literally last century and long abandoned by all major sporting governing bodies.

Xx= female sports

Xy= male sports

Intersex=case by case

Really quite simple

Say their names.

Athena Ryan

Lorelei Barrett

They are frauds.

The direct quote from the WA decision was “fairness over inclusion”

I never once moved the goal posts. My position has been the same and you can check my replies to other such threads on this topic to confirm.

the point I was making is: we’re trying to have a civil, thoughtful conversation about this new aspect of the sport. When someone says things like “they’ll never be a girl,” it means that they really don’t care about the sport part at all. Something about that person just existing as a woman fills them with anger that they can’t hold back. I don’t think people with that kind of mindset should be able to weigh in on the topic.

Now, for those who say, “be a girl all you want, just not when you’re playing sports,” that is moving the goal posts. Literally, when you’re saying “this is how I feel, except for when this other thing happens,” that’s moving the goal posts.

If she’s girl in the classroom, then she’s a girl on the track. Does she have an unfair advantage? Maybe? Probably? I don’t care. Sports aren’t fair.

It's a throw away line - "I don’t care. Sports aren’t fair". If that's the case, she can just as easily run with the boys and it shouldn't bother you one bit.

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A whole buncha you people are crazy offensive intolerant. I fundamentally agree that trans athletes with the testosterone boost have an unfair advantage competing against girls/women, but the hatred, the offensive vitriol that flies off your keyboards, backs me into a corner, puts me into a place where I feel I must defend trans kids, who you know sweet well you’d never choose to trade places with, because the chorus is so intolerant, so malignant. A whole lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Be nice, ffs.

Why does the "sports aren't fair" logic only go one way?

You think it would be unfair for her to not be allowed to compete as a female. But so what? Sports aren't fair.

That’s silly. Girls run with girls. She’s a girl, and she wants to run with other girls, so she should.

Some of these girls have long hair, breasts, makeup. You know, stuff that presents as traditionally feminine. It doesn’t make sense to have them run with dudes.

I don’t care about what bothers me one bit. I care about the athlete. If you don’t care about it either, then let’s agree to let the athlete decide.

At least now you’re using some critical thinking. I still can’t get on your side though because denying her the ability to be a female athlete in addition to just being a female human being seems needlessly cruel. I’m glad I at least got you to admit that the “unfair” argument is bogus.

Your hypocrisy is showing. You do care a whole lot when it comes to your own bias.