Well, you need to read the January 6th Report, including the deposition and other testimony transcripts and exhibits. Your perceptions of what occurred are way off. Read that stuff and think more carefully about what happened, who did it, why they did it, what their goals were, and how close they came to succeeding. Coups and insurrections don't have to involve tanks.
Lol. Complete BlueAnon. They were not close to succeeding, they tried to interrupt a purely symbolic vote. The country has more important things to deal with than January 6, hate all you want but the majority of people have moved on.
That is inaccurate. You can call it a "purely symbolic vote" all you want, but it is a Constitutionally REQUIRED vote and there is NO newly elected president without it. And you seem completely ignorant of the illegal Plan B that was going on simultaneously and which was predicated and contingent on a delay or interruption of the "purely symbolic vote." They were very close to succeeding.
You seem to be another person who could benefit from reading the January 6th Report, including the deposition transcripts and exhibits. For you, I'd particularly recommend all exhibits (texts, emails, transcripts) cited in Chapter 3, specifically those related to Chesebro, Eastman, Clark, Cippollone, Jacob and Barr.
Your decision to "move on" from something you know very little about does not make it any less important. You could trivialize anything by declaring you've "moved on."
I don't begrudge you at all for believing the things you do. We all have to make determinations - right or wrong. Our experiences, the news we consume, the people we hang with, etc. all affect our biases. So, if I have offended, I apologize. It is not my intent. Exceptionally bright and talented people get things wrong. Could be me. Could be you.
Regarding the Jan6 Commission is a perfect example. You give it at least the benefit of the doubt, if not more. As you correctly assumed, I gave it none. It seemed easy to me to see that it was uber-political. And then you suggested wikipedia for me to learn up on it - that's ironically quite humorous. My stance on most news these days, for better or worse, is that it is better to be uninformed than misinformed, and there is a lot of misinformation out there no matter where you look. We are living in a "post-truth" world.
Regardless, the attempt (if we go with your version) went nowhere because there was not nearly enough power to get it done. Not close. From where I stand, it looks like the left has all the power (which is great in some regards). In terms of where the real threat lies (like you are attempting to ascribe to ascribe to the right), it is actually the left that has so much more power and control (at least federally) that is not being checked in any significant degree by the citizenry, imo.
With all due respect, why would anyone be persuaded by your third paragraph when you admit in your first two paragraphs that you stay ignorant? A few quick thoughts/recommendations:
Stop giving yourself so little credit - or an excuse - to stay ignorant because the source might be biased to some degree. That does NOT stop one from being REASONABLY informed about most issues. I'm a middle-aged reasonably conservative guy who's spent a LOT of time in higher education, and was largely raised prior to conservative talk and cable. If the left-biased media and educational system was so good at warping minds, they would have turned me into a liberal a LONG time ago. They didn't.
And to get MUCH more specific, one EASILY sees that the political leader of half of this country is horrendous. No biased journalist or political commentary is necessary to draw this conclusion. Just LISTEN to him. Read stories about what he SAID, what he TWEETED, what he DID.
Lastly, others have done a good job describing how you could learn objective things about the whole Jan 6 thing. Here is perhaps the most "efficient" way to draw a reasonable conclusion: Listen to Trump's ONE sentence - on tape - to the Georgia Secretary of State ASKING FOR 11K+ VOTES. He was the president at the time and he's still the leader of the party and he's received VERY little criticism from Rs for that sentence. If he was willing to say that, you really have a hard time believing that he did OTHER bad - and well-documented - things related to Jan 6? It was JUST a riot in a particular location? It wasn't.
Yes they did actually they rioted in the streets and looted business and police stations until they got their way. "DEI" was never popular in democracy but it was forced on us thru violence
Can you name a few incidents and their effect that back up this statement? Something like "Liberals massed over 1M people in Wasington DC, so the government was forced to create the woke Smithsonian Museums", but with dates, news articles, etc. Thanks in advance.
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I wasn't intending to really get into it here. I can see how my current position is frustrating - It is to many friends as well. I appreciate your (not just Someapoliticaldude's) zeal and defense of what you believe is true. It wasn't that long ago that I would have been posting the exact same things. I encourage you to continue to be open and engage "the other side" (and it helps if you can do so in a humble manner). I think any of us that may believe that we have the corner on "the truth" may be in jeopardy of being the most deceived. I wish you all the best in your pursuit of truth - take care!
I appreciate the links, but what is the causality? You said they got their way and took over schools, museums, etc. DEI was rammed down your throat, but if you didnt live in one of these blocked off areas, it is not clear what the long term impact was to you or anyone not physically injured there.
I think GD is pretty fascinating because he is a solid representation of the right atm. I understand not liking the left’s values. Listen, agree or disagree, if you think transgender isn’t “real”, that gays marrying is a degradation of their marriage, if abortion is murder, if Mexicans are rapists and lazy and immigrants don’t belong here… if saying things like blacks have been persecuted for a long time and we should acknowledge racism in this county in an effort to make it better makes you uncomfortable, then listen, I get it. There is debate to be had and your values are likely very different than the lefts values. And that’s ok. That’s what makes America great. There really isn’t a value system other than work hard to make it to the top and because of that we can have difference values or live in areas o the country with people who have similar values as us. But to be clear, the lefts values are for tolerant behavior towards all while the rights values tend to be less tolerance. I also think it’s odd that the right keeps bringing up the lefts “takeover” of our cultural and educational institutions. What did the left do… storm the museums, opera houses and school? No. They’re the ones who just cared for them. 50% of this country is Republican. It tells you something about what the right values when the arts and education are dominated by democrats. I fear my child learning to be intolerant and not learning about the atrocities of the world to understand how to avoid them. That is what the right largely wants at its core.
First of all, I'm not a man. Secondly, I'm not on the political right. In my original post, I said that we're living through a political realignment. I stand by that assertion. We can see that in the rise of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, also in the Brexit decision. Those left behind by deindustrialization starting in the 70s, who then became the butt of every joke from the late '90s until now, are sick of being lectured by weathy people and knowledge professionals who are insulated from the fallout of their own stupid decisions. They're sick of scraping by while our govenment, under both political parties, dumps billions of dollars into wars in the name of democracy or gender equality, or whatever elaborate window dressing is used to hide the profiteering motives of the war mongers. Donald Trump said he'd fix that. He did not. But I'm not going to call people stupid and evil for gravitating towards the only political figure, aside from Bernie Sanders, who acknoweldged their struggles. Keep looking down your nose, and see where that gets you.
People making fun of me for talking about fringe academic theories should consider, a. which fringe academic theories undergird our system of governance in America, and b. how much fun it will be to go to a doctor who thinks the sex binary is a socially constructed system created by elites and not a physical reality that impacts your risk of particular diseases, their symptoms, and drug dosage. Imagine your joy when faced with a police officer or judge who thinks it's appropriate and necessary to apply different laws & policies to different people based on their race, gender, and income. Have fun in a cashless society in which major corporations partner with the government to regulate your spending for the good of society. Think about the FBI knocking on your door because Facebook allowed them to root through your private messages, and you said words that they deem "extremist." All of this stuff is happening, slowly but surely. The liberalism stuff (part "a" above) is being displaced by a bizarre mix of Marxism and postmodernism (the stuff that will lead your doctors and lawyers to be biased and incompetent).
As I've stated multiple times, I did not vote for Donald Trump, nor do I base my political worldview on his actions. The problem with many Democrats and anti-Trumpers is that they gazed into the eyes of the abyss that is Trump, and the abyss gazed right back into them. Now they've gone about dismantling democracy in the name of democracy and truth in the name of empathy and equality.
Talk to a college student or teenager. They think free speech, due process, and equality before the law are rightwing talking points. They have no clue that these are cornerstones of democracy. This should terrify us all.
I'm in a rush right now, so the short story is that the critical theories and postmodern theories that are the crux of so-called "woke" ideology are explicitly illiberal. They argue, in no uncertain terms, that political liberalism is an elaborate smokescreen to keep people down. In place of these liberal ideals, which really are the backbone of democracy and truth-seeking, they insert identity politics, queer theory and the like. These theories ramp up tribalism and hatred while enabling psychopaths and narcissists who are on a quest for power. If anybody bothers to watch watch what happened at The Evergreen State College, you'll see these ideas in action.
In America, so many of us have been taught about the horrors of fascism and not enough about the horrors of communism. Both are authoritarian ideologies that lead to bloodshed. It's a mistake to believe that authoritarianism is only a rightwing phenomenon.
The left is the biggest threat today because they have captured some of our most important institutions, including education and the media. The Democratic party made the stupid decision to cede power to some of the far left, not knowing that just a tiny dose of this stuff is horribly destructive.
How does, "Queer Theory" undermine democracy? Actually...how.
Queer people have always been here, always around us. They have not magically, "appeared" because the Left started talking about them.
I understand these ideas might make you uncomfortable - the idea that gay people are all around you, and they might see the world differently. But this draws people in to institutions, it doesn't expel them.
Queer theory is not about some people being gay or having a niche gender identity. It's a body of theory tangentially based on Marxism by way of Michel Foucault, which argues that our entire system of knowledge is an effect of power, rather than a map of reality. Queer theory says that the sex binary is also an effect of power that imprisons us in our bodies by limiting our subjectivities. According to queer theory, sex isn't real. You just think it's real because you're drunk on the ideology of your oppressor. This is similar to Marx's claims about the bourgeois creating an ideology to prevent workers from knowing the truth of their condition, except that queer theorists don't believe in truth. For queer theorists, the path to freedom is through a dialectical cycle of norm-disrupting performances.
This is complicated, but there are a few ways in which queer theory is anti-democratic. First, it says that all truth claims are power grabs. Second, it says that queer people have better access to transformative knowledge. This sets up a hierarchy between people based on whether they're queer or not, and this hierarchy is anti-democratic. Critical Race Theory sets up a similar hierarchy, which is why both lead to power lust and destruction.
A fascinating response by GD. It is filled with vague ideas and fears. It is a series of nonsensical phrases that I assume are intended to sound academic. The only specific thing mentioned is Evergreen State College. I thought it was going to be some compound type takeover story by armed militant liberals, or evil government squashing of military conservatives. I googled it and found nothing. Was this a Tucker Carlson talking point?
This is what happened at Evergreen State College in 2017. Very different from what Tucker told. (For that matter, most of MSM. )
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And consider that one of the main faculty instigators was Naima Lowe. Note, we're to believe that this is art under threat of denunciation. This person is clearly unwell and is exorcising her demons via art and academia:
Talk to a college student or teenager. They think free speech, due process, and equality before the law are rightwing talking points. They have no clue that these are cornerstones of democracy. This should terrify us all.
This is not true - or at least the trend is not concentrated among the young.
The NYT/Siena ran a decent poll of these sentiments in 2022. The difference in perception about FS was not super different among age groups and ALL groups generally agreed that tolerance of people to speak their mind is waning - AND that this is bad!
CATO has also done a huge poll on this in 2017. 18-24 year olds are more likely to agree with statements that could be "anti-free-speech" (from what I looked at, loooong table of crosstabs) but the difference is not large and the effect is highly variable across questions asked. (e.g. 65+ are more likely to say "hate speech is violence")
incomprehensible for someone like GD to say 'you know what..sure I know that the GOP literally tried to end democracy a couple years ago, its leader pushed to suspend the Constitution and they will have billions of dollars to spend to continue that fight....and the GOP governor of FL is using full state power to damage a company for strictly political reasons....but I am more worried about undergraduates.'
Incomprehensible.
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So which part of Berlatsky's account that you are trying to dispute?
-- that the protest did not immediately take place after Weinstein's email leaked.
-- that the protest was originally in response to a totally separate incident involving two Black students who were taken out of their dorm room by the police.
-- that Weinstein came out of his classroom to confront the protesters (who were not protesting about his leaked email).
-- that the protesting students removed the firing of Weinstein from their list of demands after one day. (Because they didn't want the protest to be about him.)
-- that Weinstein continued to insist that the protest was all about his email, in spite of the evidence to the contrary.
-- that the protestors received death threats from people who discovered their addresses.
-- that Weinstein accused the students of "self-segregating" after the traditional "Day of Absence" returned to campus.
-- that Weinstein left Evergreen with a generous pay-off.
I have only watched the first episode of the first videos you posted. But nothing in the video contradicts with Berlatsky's account.
So what is your point? That you didn't read Berlatsky's article?
incomprehensible for someone like GD to say 'you know what..sure I know that the GOP literally tried to end democracy a couple years ago, its leader pushed to suspend the Constitution and they will have billions of dollars to spend to continue that fight....and the GOP governor of FL is using full state power to damage a company for strictly political reasons....but I am more worried about undergraduates.'
Incomprehensible.
I'm telling you what I see in the coal mines, and it's not good. Graduates of elite universities occupy the most powerful positions in our society, and a substantial minority of them are ready to do some serious damage in the name of progress. Laugh at me all you want. Lots of people dismiss this stuff until it shows up on their doorstep and destroys their workplaces, schools, and governance.
Read this account from an anti-racist professor. Note that the program he mentored is highly selective. Prior participants include: Stacey Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, and Francis Fukuyama. I pulled a quote to capture the gist of the piece.
"Like others on the left, I had been dismissive of criticisms of the current discourse on race in the United States. But now my thoughts turned to that moment in the 1970s when leftist organizations imploded, the need to match and raise the militancy of one’s comrades leading to a toxic culture filled with dogmatism and disillusion. How did this happen to a group of bright-eyed high school students?"
incomprehensible for someone like GD to say 'you know what..sure I know that the GOP literally tried to end democracy a couple years ago, its leader pushed to suspend the Constitution and they will have billions of dollars to spend to continue that fight....and the GOP governor of FL is using full state power to damage a company for strictly political reasons....but I am more worried about undergraduates.'
Incomprehensible.
I'm telling you what I see in the coal mines, and it's not good. Graduates of elite universities occupy the most powerful positions in our society, and a substantial minority of them are ready to do some serious damage in the name of progress. Laugh at me all you want. Lots of people dismiss this stuff until it shows up on their doorstep and destroys their workplaces, schools, and governance.
Read this account from an anti-racist professor. Note that the program he mentored is highly selective. Prior participants include: Stacey Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, and Francis Fukuyama. I pulled a quote to capture the gist of the piece.
"Like others on the left, I had been dismissive of criticisms of the current discourse on race in the United States. But now my thoughts turned to that moment in the 1970s when leftist organizations imploded, the need to match and raise the militancy of one’s comrades leading to a toxic culture filled with dogmatism and disillusion. How did this happen to a group of bright-eyed high school students?"
Yes, if a version of the red guard springs forth in America then we will be in trouble.
Have you read much history? Of thr 60s in Europe and America? Kids in campuses have been worried over but they’ve never tried to end democracy like you fear. You are in a long line of worries about ‘kids these days.’ Every generation gets it. Only in China have they taken over a nation like you fear. You think that is likely here? the threat is right wing christianism.
that is the threat. Right wingers done with democracy if it means they will
be ruled over by not white not Christians.
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Ultimately, I think america will not survive intact as it becomes a non-white nation. I don’t think human beings can handle ‘losing their county’ racially and they will fight to stop it. And that means white conservatives will reject democracy and move to some kind of light autocratic government that keeps white prestige.
im not criticizing white people in particular…I don’t think any ethnic group can be rational when other ethnic groups gain power over them.
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I commend you for not being a Trump voter. You seem to be questioning both parties and I applaud that. I wish there was a viable third party. But you seem to have just found a different set of conspiracy theories.
You use a lot of academic words but never make a coherent statement. You seem concerned about lgbtq people, but then seem to say that making their plight more visible and accepted is hijacking their place to harm them. FYI: The right is intolerant of lgbtq people to put it mildly. And they believe a woman should not a a choice in her own reproduction, but a man should get to choose the mother of his child by any means.
You say that the left is trying to crush democracy, but you show no examples of a large scheme or plan, just a small college incident that you seem to think is much more sinister than anyone else does.
I can't easily think of a time that a democrat refused to step down in a lost election or even a in the face of a scandal. Republicans blatetly deny obvious wrongdoing and actively undermine the election process at all levels of government. They actively attempt to ban books while liberals fight that. They talk free will, but try to legislate what can be taught in school rather than allowing choice. I know I won't change your beliefs, though.
I guess keep doing what you do. I suggest that you copy all of your own posts and save them to a document. Have some friends read it and see if they can make sense of it. Set it aside and go back in a few years to see if it makes sense to you.
Lol. Complete BlueAnon. They were not close to succeeding, they tried to interrupt a purely symbolic vote. The country has more important things to deal with than January 6, hate all you want but the majority of people have moved on.
That is inaccurate. You can call it a "purely symbolic vote" all you want, but it is a Constitutionally REQUIRED vote and there is NO newly elected president without it. And you seem completely ignorant of the illegal Plan B that was going on simultaneously and which was predicated and contingent on a delay or interruption of the "purely symbolic vote." They were very close to succeeding.
You seem to be another person who could benefit from reading the January 6th Report, including the deposition transcripts and exhibits. For you, I'd particularly recommend all exhibits (texts, emails, transcripts) cited in Chapter 3, specifically those related to Chesebro, Eastman, Clark, Cippollone, Jacob and Barr.
Your decision to "move on" from something you know very little about does not make it any less important. You could trivialize anything by declaring you've "moved on."
Let me summarize the solution to January 6 for you: get better security at the capitol. Done, problem solved, no need to read all that. Now we can move onto the larger problems of 2023 and beyond.
I'm telling you what I see in the coal mines, and it's not good. Graduates of elite universities occupy the most powerful positions in our society, and a substantial minority of them are ready to do some serious damage in the name of progress. Laugh at me all you want. Lots of people dismiss this stuff until it shows up on their doorstep and destroys their workplaces, schools, and governance.
Read this account from an anti-racist professor. Note that the program he mentored is highly selective. Prior participants include: Stacey Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, and Francis Fukuyama. I pulled a quote to capture the gist of the piece.
"Like others on the left, I had been dismissive of criticisms of the current discourse on race in the United States. But now my thoughts turned to that moment in the 1970s when leftist organizations imploded, the need to match and raise the militancy of one’s comrades leading to a toxic culture filled with dogmatism and disillusion. How did this happen to a group of bright-eyed high school students?"
Yes, if a version of the red guard springs forth in America then we will be in trouble.
It's happening now. Very slowly, but it is happening. The difference between now and the '60s is that some of the unhinged radicals are staffing major institutions, and the people in charge of major institutions are increasingly caving to their demands because it's unprofitable to be called racist, sexist, transphobic, etc., and that's exactly what the "activists" do. They shame and emotionally blackmail people into compliance, which is what the Red Guard did before resorting to overt violence. We're still early enough to stop this. It took years to take hold in China.
This is from Xi Van Fleet, one of the parents protesting the school board in Loudoun County VA:
"An immigrant from China, who as a child had lived through Mao’s Marxist Cultural Revolution, Xi described CRT as the indoctrination of children. What she was seeing in Loudoun County, she said, reminded her of what she witnessed growing up in Mao’s China."
Too many people don't understand that free speech does not mean that nobody else has the right to make decisions based on what someone has said whilst exercising their free speech.
For example if someone comes out with remarks supportive of Nazi Germany, nobody will stop them but similarly nobody will stop others thinking this person is a delusional racist nutcase.
Ultimately, I think america will not survive intact as it becomes a non-white nation. I don’t think human beings can handle ‘losing their county’ racially and they will fight to stop it. And that means white conservatives will reject democracy and move to some kind of light autocratic government that keeps white prestige.
im not criticizing white people in particular…I don’t think any ethnic group can be rational when other ethnic groups gain power over them.
You need to quit reading selected political stuff on the internet and get out of the house more. Every day reality will alleviate many of your concerns described above.
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