The Unkle wrote:
Sarah Williamson. wrote:
They died of something else unrelated to the vaccine.
No. 94% of the people who died "with" Covid died of something else.
The vaccine killed these people
Harambe is bizzarre. They talk about spouting drivel with no evidence, yet ignore the evidence that his been released to the public. It's so bizarre.
Thanks Unk.
I'm Bigfoot wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
No. 94% of the people who died "with" Covid died of something else.
The vaccine killed these people
Harambe is bizzarre. They talk about spouting drivel with no evidence, yet ignore the evidence that his been released to the public. It's so bizarre.
Thanks Unk.
The 94% has been refuted many times. Most death certificates have multiple causes of death, COVID or not. It's simply a misunderstanding of the reporting statistics :). Again, COVID is listed as the underlying caused of death on 91.5% of death certificates involving the disease.
Oops. Owned you again.
As a Jew, I am flattered!
The Unkle wrote:
macdaddy og 1 wrote:
You tried to spread covid disinformation and failed.
You tried to spread vaccine disinformation and failed.
You tried to spread disinformation about Biden and failed.
People like you are why the Democrats have full control now. Thank you, Unkle ??
No.
It was a handful of Zionist Jewish billionaires who pour billions into our pols that you should thank
2600 bro wrote:
As a Jew, I am flattered!
The Unkle wrote:
No.
It was a handful of Zionist Jewish billionaires who pour billions into our pols that you should thank
Excellently played! Mazel tov!
The Unkle wrote:
macdaddy og 1 wrote:
You tried to spread covid disinformation and failed.
You tried to spread vaccine disinformation and failed.
You tried to spread disinformation about Biden and failed.
People like you are why the Democrats have full control now. Thank you, Unkle ??
No.
It was a handful of Zionist Jewish billionaires who pour billions into our pols that you should thank
Good point.
Lots of love from Trump Heights ?
Thanks for all your money.
The Unkle wrote:
No. 94% of the people who died "with" Covid died of something else.
Could you expand on what that "something else" might be?
Because there seems to be a improbably serious epidemic of "something else" going on.
rojo wrote:
What I have never understood is how everyone loves Dr. Fauci - ...
We see now that Fauci couldn't freely speak under the Trump administration, and felt it necessary to temper his opinions.
rekrunner wrote:
rojo wrote:
What I have never understood is how everyone loves Dr. Fauci - ...
We see now that Fauci couldn't freely speak under the Trump administration, and felt it necessary to temper his opinions.
Agreed, Fauci is NOT a liar
Fauci is an absolute liar and fraud. Anyone who cannot see that these losers are using this China Virus to gain some sort of sick control over The People need to wake up, else deal with the life you have been forced into.
#PatriotParty
#LHRC wrote:
Fauci is an absolute liar and fraud. Anyone who cannot see that these losers are using this China Virus to gain some sort of sick control over The People need to wake up, else deal with the life you have been forced into.
#PatriotParty
Wrong
#LHRC wrote:
Fauci is an absolute liar and fraud. Anyone who cannot see that these losers are using this China Virus to gain some sort of sick control over The People need to wake up, else deal with the life you have been forced into.
#PatriotParty
Of course Fauci wanted to transparently share the scientific knowledge about an unknown virus as it evolves, as he had done for many previous virus outbreaks, but the environment in the previous administration was not conducive to transparency of knowledge that contradicted the president or made him look bad.
Outside this little bubble of misinformation in the US, we have exceeded 100 million "reported" cases worldwide, and more than 2 million deaths. This is what I woke up to this morning.
rojo wrote:
Dear Dr. Fauci. Please STOP. Tell us the truth 100% of the time.
(Sorry if I'm repeating anything already covered -- did not read the whole thread).
Rojo -- you need to understand that being 100% truthful wasn't possible under a Trump administration. There were repercussions and retaliations for making Trump look bad.
Even if Fauci believed 90% was needed for herd immunity, I don't think there is any consensus on the real threshold. And if there were, that number was probably much lower before more contagious mutations.
Everyone needs to understand that as knowledge evolves, and the virus evolves, the truth will also evolve.
oh yeah it is haha
rekrunner wrote:
rojo wrote:
Dear Dr. Fauci. Please STOP. Tell us the truth 100% of the time.
(Sorry if I'm repeating anything already covered -- did not read the whole thread).
Rojo -- you need to understand that being 100% truthful wasn't possible under a Trump administration. There were repercussions and retaliations for making Trump look bad.
Even if Fauci believed 90% was needed for herd immunity, I don't think there is any consensus on the real threshold. And if there were, that number was probably much lower before more contagious mutations.
Everyone needs to understand that as knowledge evolves, and the virus evolves, the truth will also evolve.
Rojo doesnt care about your facts. He simply wants to “own the libs.” It’s sad, really
Harambe wrote:
The 94% has been refuted many times. Most death certificates have multiple causes of death, COVID or not. It's simply a misunderstanding of the reporting statistics :). Again, COVID is listed as the underlying caused of death on 91.5% of death certificates involving the disease.
Oops. Owned you again.
Do you know that people who have died in car wrecks, other accidents, been murdered, died of pancreatic cancer, are included in the Covid deaths total?
Evidence of Overcounting
Several lines of evidence prove that some deaths included in the official C-19 tally were, in fact, not caused by C-19.
Four weeks after the World Health Organization declared C-19 a pandemic, Dr. Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the White House Covid-19 task force, stated that the U.S. is taking a “a very liberal approach” to counting C-19 deaths compared to “some countries.” She then explained that “if someone dies with Covid-19, we are counting that as a Covid-19 death.” Notably, that standard does not distinguish between dying from Covid-19 and dying with Covid-19.
In the wake of Birx’s statement, various government officials revealed exactly how they were implementing this “very liberal approach”:
A Michigan news article reported in April:
“In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide. Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from Covid-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for Covid-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a Covid-19 death.”
In Oakland County, “every individual who has died while infected with Covid-19 has counted as a coronavirus death, according to Dr. Ljubisa J. Dragovic, the county’s chief medical examiner.”
Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health stated during a April press conference:
If “you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you were also found to have Covid, that would be counted as a Covid death. It means that technically, even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you still had Covid at the time, it’s still listed as a Covid death.”
“So everyone who’s listed as a Covid death doesn’t mean that was the cause of the death, but they had Covid at the time of death.”
A Colorado-based CBS news station reported in April:
The “Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment has reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as Covid-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus.”
A spokesman for the state explained that it “follows the CDC’s case definition of Covid-19 cases and deaths,” and “when a person with a lab-confirmed case of Covid-19 dies, their death is automatically counted as a Covid-19 death unless there is another cause that completely rules out Covid-19, such as a fatal physical injury.”
The same CBS news station reported in May about a death in Colorado where C-19 was completely ruled out, but the state counted it anyway:
A man was found dead with blood alcohol content about twice the level that is potentially fatal, and Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers ruled that he died of alcohol poisoning.
Colorado’s Department of Public Health and Environment classified the case as a C-19 fatality because the man tested positive for C-19 after his death.
The coroner stated: “Yes, he did have Covid, but that is not what took his life.”
In Florida during July:
A local Fox news station asked Dr. Raul Pino, the health officer of Orange County, if two people in their twenties who had allegedly died of Covid-19 had any preexisting conditions. Pino replied: “The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident.”
Two days after the news station published this story, Pino’s office said the case “was reviewed,” and the person “was taken off the list for Covid fatalities.”
Officials of the Maricopa County, Arizona Public Health Department stated in August:
“Even if it’s not listed on their death certificate, anyone who has a Covid-19 positive test within a certain period of when they died, is also counted as a Covid-19 positive death.”
If a person dies in a car crash and tested positive for C-19 in the prior 60 days, “Yes, the death would be added” to the C-19 death tally because “it is important to understand who died WITH the disease even if the disease was not the CAUSE of death. Obviously, fatal accidents are a small subset of the total.”
The Unkle wrote:
Evidence of Overcounting
Several lines of evidence prove that some deaths included in the official C-19 tally were, in fact, not caused by C-19.
Four weeks after the World Health Organization declared C-19 a pandemic, Dr. Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the White House Covid-19 task force, stated that the U.S. is taking a “a very liberal approach” to counting C-19 deaths compared to “some countries.” She then explained that “if someone dies with Covid-19, we are counting that as a Covid-19 death.” Notably, that standard does not distinguish between dying from Covid-19 and dying with Covid-19.
In the wake of Birx’s statement, various government officials revealed exactly how they were implementing this “very liberal approach”:
A Michigan news article reported in April:
“In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide. Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from Covid-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for Covid-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a Covid-19 death.”
In Oakland County, “every individual who has died while infected with Covid-19 has counted as a coronavirus death, according to Dr. Ljubisa J. Dragovic, the county’s chief medical examiner.”
Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health stated during a April press conference:
If “you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you were also found to have Covid, that would be counted as a Covid death. It means that technically, even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you still had Covid at the time, it’s still listed as a Covid death.”
“So everyone who’s listed as a Covid death doesn’t mean that was the cause of the death, but they had Covid at the time of death.”
A Colorado-based CBS news station reported in April:
The “Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment has reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as Covid-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus.”
A spokesman for the state explained that it “follows the CDC’s case definition of Covid-19 cases and deaths,” and “when a person with a lab-confirmed case of Covid-19 dies, their death is automatically counted as a Covid-19 death unless there is another cause that completely rules out Covid-19, such as a fatal physical injury.”
The same CBS news station reported in May about a death in Colorado where C-19 was completely ruled out, but the state counted it anyway:
A man was found dead with blood alcohol content about twice the level that is potentially fatal, and Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers ruled that he died of alcohol poisoning.
Colorado’s Department of Public Health and Environment classified the case as a C-19 fatality because the man tested positive for C-19 after his death.
The coroner stated: “Yes, he did have Covid, but that is not what took his life.”
In Florida during July:
A local Fox news station asked Dr. Raul Pino, the health officer of Orange County, if two people in their twenties who had allegedly died of Covid-19 had any preexisting conditions. Pino replied: “The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident.”
Two days after the news station published this story, Pino’s office said the case “was reviewed,” and the person “was taken off the list for Covid fatalities.”
Officials of the Maricopa County, Arizona Public Health Department stated in August:
“Even if it’s not listed on their death certificate, anyone who has a Covid-19 positive test within a certain period of when they died, is also counted as a Covid-19 positive death.”
If a person dies in a car crash and tested positive for C-19 in the prior 60 days, “Yes, the death would be added” to the C-19 death tally because “it is important to understand who died WITH the disease even if the disease was not the CAUSE of death. Obviously, fatal accidents are a small subset of the total.”
Wow that's, what, three or four errors?
I'll revise my numbers. There are now 399,997 COVID deaths.
Also note, as I've said dozens of times, the CDC had data on COVID death certs. There are some deaths where COVID is on the death certificate but it is not listed as the underlying cause. That is, at my last count, ~8.5% of deaths involving COVID. 91.5% have COVID as the underlying cause.
It's so easy to own you. And it clearly has an effect. You have been posting less and less denier propaganda these days. Not having the effect you imagined?
[quote]Harambe wrote:
The 94% has been refuted many times.
The CDC disagrees
Harambe wrote:
[quote]The Unkle wrote:
Evidence of Overcounting
Several lines of evidence prove that some deaths included in the official C-19 tally were, in fact, not caused by C-19.
Four weeks after the World Health Organization declared C-19 a pandemic, Dr. Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the White House Covid-19 task force, stated that the U.S. is taking a “a very liberal approach” to counting C-19 deaths compared to “some countries.” She then explained that “if someone dies with Covid-19, we are counting that as a Covid-19 death.” Notably, that standard does not distinguish between dying from Covid-19 and dying with Covid-19.
In the wake of Birx’s statement, various government officials revealed exactly how they were implementing this “very liberal approach”:
A Michigan news article reported in April:
“In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide. Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from Covid-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for Covid-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a Covid-19 death.”
In Oakland County, “every individual who has died while infected with Covid-19 has counted as a coronavirus death, according to Dr. Ljubisa J. Dragovic, the county’s chief medical examiner.”
Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health stated during a April press conference:
If “you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you were also found to have Covid, that would be counted as a Covid death. It means that technically, even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you still had Covid at the time, it’s still listed as a Covid death.”
“So everyone who’s listed as a Covid death doesn’t mean that was the cause of the death, but they had Covid at the time of death.”
A Colorado-based CBS news station reported in April:
The “Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment has reclassified three deaths at a Centennial nursing home as Covid-19 deaths, despite the fact attending physicians ruled all three were not related to coronavirus.”
A spokesman for the state explained that it “follows the CDC’s case definition of Covid-19 cases and deaths,” and “when a person with a lab-confirmed case of Covid-19 dies, their death is automatically counted as a Covid-19 death unless there is another cause that completely rules out Covid-19, such as a fatal physical injury.”
The same CBS news station reported in May about a death in Colorado where C-19 was completely ruled out, but the state counted it anyway:
A man was found dead with blood alcohol content about twice the level that is potentially fatal, and Montezuma County Coroner George Deavers ruled that he died of alcohol poisoning.
Colorado’s Department of Public Health and Environment classified the case as a C-19 fatality because the man tested positive for C-19 after his death.
The coroner stated: “Yes, he did have Covid, but that is not what took his life.”
In Florida during July:
A local Fox news station asked Dr. Raul Pino, the health officer of Orange County, if two people in their twenties who had allegedly died of Covid-19 had any preexisting conditions. Pino replied: “The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident.”
Two days after the news station published this story, Pino’s office said the case “was reviewed,” and the person “was taken off the list for Covid fatalities.”
Officials of the Maricopa County, Arizona Public Health Department stated in August:
“Even if it’s not listed on their death certificate, anyone who has a Covid-19 positive test within a certain period of when they died, is also counted as a Covid-19 positive death.”
If a person dies in a car crash and tested positive for C-19 in the prior 60 days, “Yes, the death would be added” to the C-19 death tally because “it is important to understand who died WITH the disease even if the disease was not the CAUSE of death. Obviously, fatal accidents are a small subset of the total.”
Wow that's, what, three or four errors?
No. That's a smattering but does expose how Coivd deaths are counted and clearly the method is designed to vastly overstate the numbers.
Now why would they do hat?
Ana de Aardvark wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
(Sorry if I'm repeating anything already covered -- did not read the whole thread).
Rojo -- you need to understand that being 100% truthful wasn't possible under a Trump administration. There were repercussions and retaliations for making Trump look bad.
Even if Fauci believed 90% was needed for herd immunity, I don't think there is any consensus on the real threshold. And if there were, that number was probably much lower before more contagious mutations.
Everyone needs to understand that as knowledge evolves, and the virus evolves, the truth will also evolve.
Rojo doesnt care about your facts. He simply wants to “own the libs.” It’s sad, really
Fauci is not a liar. Thanks