Tig Ben wrote:
All Mine wrote:
Or UNC
No offense to the Syracuse Sprint coach(es) but is this another situation of "who you know" because if I'm being honest, I haven't known Syracuse to be a strong sprint school. Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not talking trash but what's with the carousel?
It's always about who you know. Coaches land these jobs with no resumes to support hiring.
letsc wrote:
Tig Ben wrote:
No offense to the Syracuse Sprint coach(es) but is this another situation of "who you know" because if I'm being honest, I haven't known Syracuse to be a strong sprint school. Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not talking trash but what's with the carousel?
It's always about who you know. Coaches land these jobs with no resumes to support hiring.
Note that every school mentioned is within the same conference. So these head coaches have had a chance to observe an individual first hand and see the ability of a coach while noting the situation/limitations they work with, ie a school that prefers to focus on distance that doesn't invest heavily in the sprint realm such as Syracuse.
Syracuse consistently turns out sub-14 110HH'ers.
coachkritter wrote:
Syracuse consistently turns out sub-14 110HH'ers.
You are correct. The coach was a hurdler. However, they don't focus on the other sprint events (100m, 200m 400m, 400H, 4x1 and 4x4)
There are 21 events contested at the ACC and NCAA. Syracuse literally only tries to enter people in about 5 or 6 events, ignoring the others.
347893 wrote:
coachkritter wrote:
Syracuse consistently turns out sub-14 110HH'ers.
You are correct. The coach was a hurdler. However, they don't focus on the other sprint events (100m, 200m 400m, 400H, 4x1 and 4x4)
There are 21 events contested at the ACC and NCAA. Syracuse literally only tries to enter people in about 5 or 6 events, ignoring the others.
The lack of the program’s focus on certain events doesn’t take away from an individual’s ability to coach those other events.
All Mine wrote:
347893 wrote:
You are correct. The coach was a hurdler. However, they don't focus on the other sprint events (100m, 200m 400m, 400H, 4x1 and 4x4)
There are 21 events contested at the ACC and NCAA. Syracuse literally only tries to enter people in about 5 or 6 events, ignoring the others.
The lack of the program’s focus on certain events doesn’t take away from an individual’s ability to coach those other events.
SMH....So if said coach can coach the 100m, 200m, 400m and 400H as well as put together successful 4x1 and 4x4 relays consistently why hasn't he? Does the current and previous head coach instruct him only to recruit and coach 110 hurdlers?
Is it really a track & field program if you only do the 1500, Steeple, 5K, 10K and 110H?
If Michigan doesn't find their guy by Oct they will probably wait till summer to find somebody.
Funding a specific event area is one thing. Recruiting and developing walk-ons to get the entire job done is another. Lame excuses for programs that can attract decent walk-ons.
I'm actually teaching in a Title 1 district that is not among the higher paying districts. There are some which pay significantly higher. You don't have to believe me, you can look it up as it's all public records access.
347893 wrote:
All Mine wrote:
The lack of the program’s focus on certain events doesn’t take away from an individual’s ability to coach those other events.
SMH....So if said coach can coach the 100m, 200m, 400m and 400H as well as put together successful 4x1 and 4x4 relays consistently why hasn't he? Does the current and previous head coach instruct him only to recruit and coach 110 hurdlers?
Is it really a track & field program if you only do the 1500, Steeple, 5K, 10K and 110H?
About 5 years ago we had an athlete who directly heard it from the Syracuse sprint coach - 1 scholarship allocated to him to work with. He would give a full to a hurdler most often and recruit walk ons.
That's the side you can't know and is hugely impactful to his "success". He's a wonderful coach but it's 70k+ to attend Syracuse. That's the reality for a lot of NCAA coaches!
trying wrote:
347893 wrote:
SMH....So if said coach can coach the 100m, 200m, 400m and 400H as well as put together successful 4x1 and 4x4 relays consistently why hasn't he? Does the current and previous head coach instruct him only to recruit and coach 110 hurdlers?
Is it really a track & field program if you only do the 1500, Steeple, 5K, 10K and 110H?
About 5 years ago we had an athlete who directly heard it from the Syracuse sprint coach - 1 scholarship allocated to him to work with. He would give a full to a hurdler most often and recruit walk ons.
That's the side you can't know and is hugely impactful to his "success". He's a wonderful coach but it's 70k+ to attend Syracuse. That's the reality for a lot of NCAA coaches!
Exactly, not a lot of money to work with to have a good group to cover all the sprints and relays successfully.
It's not that Hegland was ignoring the other events. If given a limited amount of money at least have an event well covered and one for which you have a good reputation and for them that was high hurdling, primarily.
Who replaces Clark at Ashland?
U Really Think So? wrote:
Most HS coaches are setup for failure in XC and track.I have been both a HS coach and a college coach and I don’t think being a college coach is taking a pay cut. So not sure either of those statements made sense.
How?
Who's setting them up for failure? The school? The parents? God? Please explain.
Or is it that you actually have to know what you're doing and be a good coach?
Hmmm...Just curious.
Aouita 84 wrote:
U Really Think So? wrote:
Most HS coaches are setup for failure in XC and track.I have been both a HS coach and a college coach and I don’t think being a college coach is taking a pay cut. So not sure either of those statements made sense.
How?
Who's setting them up for failure? The school? The parents? God? Please explain.
Or is it that you actually have to know what you're doing and be a good coach?
Hmmm...Just curious.
I didn’t say I was. Most schools have no budget, no coach training, no interest in sports that aren’t the big three. They don’t promote XC to students to help grow teams. The coaches don’t make enough money for this to be their full time job and be able to spend enough time doing things for their teams.
trying wrote:
347893 wrote:
SMH....So if said coach can coach the 100m, 200m, 400m and 400H as well as put together successful 4x1 and 4x4 relays consistently why hasn't he? Does the current and previous head coach instruct him only to recruit and coach 110 hurdlers?
Is it really a track & field program if you only do the 1500, Steeple, 5K, 10K and 110H?
About 5 years ago we had an athlete who directly heard it from the Syracuse sprint coach - 1 scholarship allocated to him to work with. He would give a full to a hurdler most often and recruit walk ons.
That's the side you can't know and is hugely impactful to his "success". He's a wonderful coach but it's 70k+ to attend Syracuse. That's the reality for a lot of NCAA coaches!
Actually we do know. The head coach doesn't give a damn about being a track & field program, as evidenced by 1 scholarship given to sprints, which is 7 events contested. Syracuse is fully funded. If you are putting 11.6 scholarships into distance, you should be winning XC every year at NCAA's and totally sweep all distance events in the ACC.
347893 wrote:
trying wrote:
About 5 years ago we had an athlete who directly heard it from the Syracuse sprint coach - 1 scholarship allocated to him to work with. He would give a full to a hurdler most often and recruit walk ons.
That's the side you can't know and is hugely impactful to his "success". He's a wonderful coach but it's 70k+ to attend Syracuse. That's the reality for a lot of NCAA coaches!
Actually we do know. The head coach doesn't give a damn about being a track & field program, as evidenced by 1 scholarship given to sprints, which is 7 events contested. Syracuse is fully funded. If you are putting 11.6 scholarships into distance, you should be winning XC every year at NCAA's and totally sweep all distance events in the ACC.
They’re not alone in the ACC though. Notre Dame and Wake Forest seem to be doing the same. Looking at Wake Forest’s roster, looks like they have zero men’s sprinters and one jumper. A few throwers. All distance.
So Campbell and DePaul currently don’t have XC coaches. Anyone else?
No idea. That is a loss for sure.
[quote]All Mine wrote:
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