Asher's video was created by someone (most likely Asher) recording the replay of the security camera monitor. He most likely asked the owner to rewind it and he filmed it. You can clearly see the reflection of a hand holding the phone in the image.
RY's fraudulent grifter team simple recorded a playback of the same Asher video on their computer.
We are watching third rate hucksters trying to buy another day in the con.
It's about the money people.
haha i love you Letsrun, this is even better than the brian lawlor story.
I wonder how he got to enroll more people into his scam ? is there money at play ?
If I'm not mistaken it is the first time that an individual caught cheating by Letsrun that is not a "lonewolf", that has accomplices ?
Anyway I think anyone that gets to read the google documents with all the evidence cannot take him seriously anymore.
The FB post re: CCTV also clearly states that they "often drive at a set speed while Rob tucks in behind the vehicle." How do they reconcile that with the Guinness book?
And, of course, as others have pointed out, they're claiming that they were the ones that made the effort to get the car wash video from after the initial ones showing the RV cruise through without a runner. They said it took "considerable time and trouble" to obtain the video, when in reality it would appear that Asher sent it to them.
It also appears that they've now changed their story and are using the new video to claim that Rob was well behind the RV when Asher first came up on them near Lebo later that night. Initially, the story (captured on the video explanation) was that RY had been running with the RV and jumped in when they were afraid that they were about to be assaulted by a knife-weilding yank. So which is it?
They also claim to have the phone number of the stranger and barmaid - what we have been asking Laz to get - to confirm the story. Yes, please do that!
Or...Just post the freaking data for the trip from Bannock to Laughlin.
ANoteToRYandCrew wrote:
A Note to RY And Crew,
The gig is up. It's not going to get better from here. Think this thing through.
If you were on the up-and-up you would be jumping through hoops to convince skeptics rather than doing the exact opposite: refusing to release data, deleting previously public data, etc.... You would be reaching out to Robert Johnson instead of ignoring his inquiries.
We know it and you know that you cheated. The question is how does this play out from here. You need to think it through.
The Letsrun thread is a mess. Confusion helps you. But it won't stay that way. And it won't stay restricted to Letsrun. Look at what happened to Mike Rossi and Julie Miller. What started as confusing messes of internet threads eventually get turned into organized cases against you. And then the real media gets a hold of it. And then it's too late. You are sunk. For good.
How do you really think this plays out? Your best bet is to drop out quietly and slink away before it becomes "real" news. Yes, a small group of internet diehards will know you were cheats, but you won't become a mainstream Mike Rossi, Kip Litton, or Julie Miller.
You still have the chance to be a Dane Rauschenberg. The few that paid attention know he took the RV for his 202 mile Odyssey, but his cheating never went big-time and he lives to fight another day, playing small ball under the radar and smart enough to not do something stupid like what you've done.
Think it through. We know you are a fraud. You know you are a fraud. Have a sit-down and think through how this plays out. It's not going to get better. The evidence against you will become organized and well-presented in a concise fashion, unlike the mess that exists to date.
I'm telling you, walk away with injury while the opportunity exists. Take this thing through to NYC and you're destined for an infamy you do not want.
RTFLMFAO - LRC has jumped the shark...again.
Dude, you really need to be on some meds.
Grifty wrote:
runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:Vanessa and robert (shacky) her husband are in on it. Lots of links between these people. Get a pencil and follow along and get ready to have your mind blown by the level of grifter and mentally ill you're about to read, which is a small portion of the story.
Vanessa and Shacky are in on this scam. As are the 2 american charities which are fake charities. The "Race Across The Usa" RY "won" last year is put on by one of the fake anerican charities he is now "running for".
The American charities are run by RY's pals. He claims he is running for charity. People donate to the "charities" which are actually RY's pals. The money "for the children" goes to RY's pals, the y split the money "for the children".
Anerican charity 1: 100 mile club. Run by kara lubin. Who put on the "Race Across The USA" last year that RY conveniently won. It is possible that is when this current scam was hatched. Fake charity. It is "to bring awareness of childhood obesity and get kids to move at least 100 miles per year." (For the children)! Their founder is 50 lbs overweight making people "aware" of childhood obesity as she uses donations not needed to encourage kids to move that doesn't require money to fly around the country and selfie. The excuse for her using funds for her living expenses and luxury travel to try to ingratiate herself to people she perceives as the run community is she needs to set up new chapters of the "club". A few others involved in this fake are Vanessa and Shacky who gave up their non jobs for years to "crew" the "Race Across The Usa" runners last year. Vanessa is a successful author. So much so that she sets up go fund me accounts for gas money during the fake "Race across the Usa" (for the children)! Others part of this fake, the aforementioned by others Alex Ramsey, Jup Brown, (he needs your money for a go fund me for a flight home after taking time off his not having a job and doing the fake "Race Across the Usa" last year for the fake 100 mile club charity for the children! last year), and Patrick Sweeny among others.
Fake American charity 2 on this one scam. Tyler Robinson Foundation. The same charity Lisa Smith Batchen (mentally ill and has paid her bills her whole life by scams such as the fake badwater quad she never ran among others), was going to do her transcon for this year "for the children"! Until she got caught on her transcon a less than a week in. Oops, I mean had a "medical emergency." So brave. Here's some more reality for you: Lisa originally claimed she was doing her (fake), transcon this year for a legitimate charity, except they didn't know she was using their name. She gave interviews they were partners. They had no idea. That is the level of crazy here. She was setting up a website using their logo but directing to external donation site (her, even though that legitimate charity has huge legal and legitimate full time dedicated fundraising departments). The legitimate charity got tipped off. Ready for more crazy? Lisa went into panic mode and flew unannounced to their headquarters across the country sure she could manipulate them into letting her use their name. She'd already given interviews they were partners. They gave her a tour and got her out of there. They told her no. She continued to try to use their name even after that, (people in the usa are well aware of her mental illness, faked runs, she needed a charity to try to legitimize her fake transcon). Legitimate charity stopped her, after she kept trying to attach her name to theirs well after they her no. At that point she started her posts about "God testing her" on her facebook page (run the nation with lisa smith batchen), soon after, (because they wouldn't let her use a fake run with no gps and no tracking of donation dollars going to her under her name and once they figured out her mental illness that is "God testing her"). Enter Lisa's high school pal jimmy place of chicago who fancies himself quite a media mogul with his production company no one legitimate has ever heard of who volunteers for "tyler robinson foundation" to get them to let Lisa use their name (the new cause she is "passionate about" in days), to try to make her transcon look legitimate. She got caught in less than a week on the road. Now RY's biggest supporter until yesterday when she tried to put some distance, (no we aren't affiliated so we can set up our next scam).
Lots of other grifters and other fake charities as a smokescreen tied to the same core group of people. This is how these people make a living (and destroy the sport). Also, quite possible vanessa couldn't keep up with a hobby jogger even on a bike, she is a larger lady.
What a great idea. You have a fake race, and everyone piles in their RVs and drives across the US, while doing promotion and pretend running.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POST!!!
ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!
Very well done.
Mr. Robert Young has been completely exposed now.
There is nowhere you can hide Robbie.
The dream story is coming to an end.
The nightmare story is just beginning.
Thanksforthememories wrote:
With regards the video posted by Asher/RY run crew, I'd like to know if that recording of the CCTV of RY/crack whore was taken by the owner of the garage. Asher can answer this. If the garage owner took it, and is then releasing it to anybody who asks, then that explains how RY run crew may have independently gained a copy.
It would be interesting to know if the recording of RY/crack whore became available between the RY run crew giving their possible excuses to Runner's World and their definitive explanation that they sent later as an email. Kit Fox appears to be the main RW journalist for the story and could be asked the timings of their follow-up email. The posts here would give a good idea of when the recording became available or Asher/garage owner could be definitive.
It does not make sense that this event was not recalled by RY and his team (becoming separated, searching for and using a stranger's phone) when first interviewed, and it suggests to me that it was concocted to fit the follow up video.
On the FB page, definitely before the recording was released, RY does say he thinks he dropped off the pace, but certainly is not definite and asks for footage before and after the RV trundles through. I just think at least one of the team would have remembered and stated that's what happened before the recording was available.
Of COURSE it doesn't make sense. Are you gonna tell me this lying sack of crap didn't REMEMBER two days later that he had been abandoned by his crew of idiots and left behind in the night?
He FORGOT about that? And then suddenly 'recollected' it after seeing the video of the van cruising by without any sign of him?
(Actually, he *didn't* quite 'recollect' it at that point; he 'thought' that he 'might possibly' have passed through some time later, and 'thought it possible' that the camera 'might' have picked him up at some later time. Are you freaking kidding me?)
(I.E., he wasn't actually 'sure' that he had passed by the car-wash at all, but it was 'possible.' He 'became sure' only after seeing the later video, which showed some dimly-visible pedestrian drunkenly stumbling by,... at which point Robbie and the other criminals suddenly recalled everything that happened in astonishing detail.)
PRECIOUS LITTLE of what Klown-Boy and his Krew of Kon-Men have said makes any actual sense.
There's a very good reason for that: THEY"RE LYING.
This DIP-SH*T is so *absolutely* full of crap, it's ridiculous that any sane person is even debating it anymore.
The only debate at this point should be over how best to PROVE it conclusively, how to publicize it thoroughly, how best to disgrace him as the fraud and liar he is, and whether he can possibly be prosecuted criminally for it.
What evidence? There is none, just circumstantial hearsay from a few conspiracy theorists.
Nothing to see here!
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nobody special wrote:
Larry H wrote:From RYs Facebook page comments
Katrina Judd
I've been sitting back and watching everything unfold. The latest thing I'm confused about is why you're alleging that you're the ones to get the follow up footage. The person (Asher) who posted the original video of the slow-moving RV through the town is also the one who got the follow-up video, at least as evidenced by the fact he posted it a full day ago. This is his post on the letsrun forum yesterday, with a link to the video, after he apparently tried to contact you regarding it. Is this not the right order of events? Did you all get the video and he somehow "stole" it from you and claimed it as his own a full day before you posted it? I don't understand...
Difficult to argue with.
It is obvious that they do not like Asher at all. They won't use his name or anything. So they won't give him any credit of reaching out to them with the video. They would rather just say "they got it". Which means it came from anywhere.
Asher has been pretty fair and balanced but their vitriol towards him tells me that they know he might "have the goods on them".
Agreed. I do think it suspicious that they did not mention why theY sped away from Asher when he ran up to the RV. Earlier they said they were afraid he had a knife! Because.... all Kansas people are crazy rednecks? I am not sure why anyone who has invited runners to join them would be afraid of a runner wearing a headlamp approaching. Unless... they knew he "had the goods on them.
ANoteToRYandCrew wrote:
A Note to RY And Crew,
The gig is up. It's not going to get better from here. Think this thing through.
Glad you mentioned 'Crew' because one of them, Dustin Brooks, has a big vested interest in this (dunno about the other fella) and is not going to let go easily. DB is the one holding back the pre-Emporia data release.
thanks
ANoteToRYandCrew wrote:
A Note to RY And Crew,
The gig is up. It's not going to get better from here. Think this thing through.
If you were on the up-and-up you would be jumping through hoops to convince skeptics rather than doing the exact opposite: refusing to release data, deleting previously public data, etc.... You would be reaching out to Robert Johnson instead of ignoring his inquiries.
We know it and you know that you cheated. The question is how does this play out from here. You need to think it through.
The Letsrun thread is a mess. Confusion helps you. But it won't stay that way. And it won't stay restricted to Letsrun. Look at what happened to Mike Rossi and Julie Miller. What started as confusing messes of internet threads eventually get turned into organized cases against you. And then the real media gets a hold of it. And then it's too late. You are sunk. For good.
How do you really think this plays out? Your best bet is to drop out quietly and slink away before it becomes "real" news. Yes, a small group of internet diehards will know you were cheats, but you won't become a mainstream Mike Rossi, Kip Litton, or Julie Miller.
You still have the chance to be a Dane Rauschenberg. The few that paid attention know he took the RV for his 202 mile Odyssey, but his cheating never went big-time and he lives to fight another day, playing small ball under the radar and smart enough to not do something stupid like what you've done.
Think it through. We know you are a fraud. You know you are a fraud. Have a sit-down and think through how this plays out. It's not going to get better. The evidence against you will become organized and well-presented in a concise fashion, unlike the mess that exists to date.
I'm telling you, walk away with injury while the opportunity exists. Take this thing through to NYC and you're destined for an infamy you do not want.
Absolutely agree - the longer this goes on, the more people here will be determined to build a strong case against him. I also suspect we are yet to uncover a number of other disingenuous things about him.
This thread could easily be dismissed as a bunch of loons and crackpots just now and we all know that there are more than few of these on these boards but I also believe there is a wealth of knowledge here too. We have already seen some pretty smart and diligent work in a short space of time to help build evidence against this fraudulent record attempt.
I see this heading to the BBC eventually if he continues to play the hero card under false pretences. The British press love a hero but they love a fallen hero even more. Remember what happened to another Brit called Rob Sloan - exposed for taking a bus during a marathon. Click this link for a laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtgYWvfkHUAThe rag press here in the UK will eat this stuff up once the clear case is neatly presented against him.
And then suddenly when you google Rob Young, you don't get all the stuff about his heroics but just about Rob Young the conman and his fall from grace.
Rob, give it up buddy and come clean.
Shifty Grifty wrote:
team1.kml wrote:1448 makes more sense to me. The tracker would have more miles if it has to do extra miles compared to Rob. I hope to take a closer look at how many of the 1739 (which is the sum of the segment distances up to June 9 10am) are doubling back but that will have to wait. My intention was to classify each segment in terms of whether it was forward or backward and, if backward, then subtract those miles from the total. I don't see an easy way of doing that to this data in its current form.
They put the tracker in the van and drive the same distance twice?
In one of the videos they say the tracker is sometimes in the van, sometimes on Rob. During their Mohave desert adventure they state (in the blog) the tracker was in the RV. I think the tracker is always in the van, honestly. But yeah, the data suggests the van is driving back and forth over the same stretch occasionally. From May 29 at 12am to Jun 9 at 10am, I calculate they drove at least 7.43 miles westward over 40 different segments covering 10 hours and 37 minutes. That's imprecise because of the poor sampling interval (12 minutes min). I started at May 29 since the road is always due east from that time, but before that there are north/south jaunts, mountains, etc so it it's not always as easy as just selecting the azimuths between 225 and 315.
Thanksforthememories wrote:
With regards the video posted by Asher/RY run crew, I'd like to know if that recording of the CCTV of RY/crack whore was taken by the owner of the garage. Asher can answer this. If the garage owner took it, and is then releasing it to anybody who asks, then that explains how RY run crew may have independently gained a copy.
It would be interesting to know if the recording of RY/crack whore became available between the RY run crew giving their possible excuses to Runner's World and their definitive explanation that they sent later as an email. Kit Fox appears to be the main RW journalist for the story and could be asked the timings of their follow-up email. The posts here would give a good idea of when the recording became available or Asher/garage owner could be definitive.
It does not make sense that this event was not recalled by RY and his team (becoming separated, searching for and using a stranger's phone) when first interviewed, and it suggests to me that it was concocted to fit the follow up video.
On the FB page, definitely before the recording was released, RY does say he thinks he dropped off the pace, but certainly is not definite and asks for footage before and after the RV trundles through. I just think at least one of the team would have remembered and stated that's what happened before the recording was available.
Rob/crew independently received a copy of the video from the owner. That is not my video. Not sure when they received it. I'll see what I can find.
FFS lighten up. wrote:
Ultraboy wrote:My dad smoked 15 a day and I doubt anybody on letsrun.com ran a faster 100 miler - 11:38 anybody?
You're right we just concentrate on sub 2:30 marathons and sub 14:30 5k's.
You ultra boys need to stop taking yourselves so seriously and seriously lighten up, you're as bad as those cranky old masters runners.
Yeah once he did 3 marathons in sub 2:26 in 20 days as part of his prep for the ultra season so I can see why he should be concerned about concentrating on running sub 2:30. PB for marathon of 2:19 and more sub 2:30s than I can recall. He ran 4:58 for 50 miles which is about 2 marathons at 2:36 pace, but that was the first half of his 100 miler, went through the marathon that day in 2:31:22 and only had another 73.8 miles to go. So get some respect jogger boy.
Please don't assume that everybody in the ultra world is a Muttley. (Medal Medal) The top guys are pretty accomplished marathon runners, especially over here in the UK back in the 70s and 80s, before traffic started killing the road events and moving people onto trail running and other such stuff.
nobody special wrote:
Rojo needs to interview the bar maid and the stranger with the cell phone that was borrowed. I don't think these guys have the ability to enlist Kansas residents to be part of their scam.
Here in the Sunflower State we value truth! I am presonally willing to help with the investigation, if needed, to discern the truth. I have but one request: somebody take our idiot governer... PLEASE!
Ask Rob's team for the name of the bar, for a start.
FFS lighten up. wrote:
You're right we just concentrate on sub 2:30 marathons and sub 14:30 5k's.
You ultra boys need to stop taking yourselves so seriously and seriously lighten up, you're as bad as those cranky old masters runners.
Simmer down divisive-angry-guy-with-narrow-range-of-interests, LRC now also concentrates on 7k's and 3000mi selfie runs.. and it's great!
Rojo's Mom wrote:
Honestly, I had never heard of this site before RY, & when I found it, I thought "hey, cool, another spot to hang out & chat about running." After finding out there's more dlcks here than in a Dark brother's film, I doubt there'd be any reason to come back.
You must be knew here
team1.kml wrote:
Sorry if this was covered before, but just noticed his 35:58 10K coming out of Williams, AZ:
Times (Eastern) on 5-21-2016 for 4 checkpoints
7:08:19 (just outside Williams on I-40)
7:20:17 (distance: 2.195 miles, pace 5:27)
7:32:17 (distance: 2.096 miles, pace 5:43)
7:44:14 (distance 1.945 miles, pace 6:08) (ends at 7:56:15)
35:58 to cover 6.236 miles at elevation after 4 hours of running and in the middle of a 70 mile day, in which they had time to visit the Grand Canyon...
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/2016/05/23/day-8-9-may-2022/In some ways, it mirrors what Vaz has been reporting about his crazy pacing(!). After this effort he did a lot of 20-minute miles walking into Flagstaff before their jaunt to the south rim and a nap.
Hey Robbie. I knew you were a fake a long time ago when you came through Flagstaff, Arizona. That is just a coincidence.
Nobody trying to break the record for the US transcontinental run would have enough time and energy to do a 70 mile day with a 35:58 10k at altitude included…and still have the time and energy to take a play trip to the Grand Canyon…which was out of the way of your main route.
I heard you also played frisbee golf one day because you had extra time and energy.
It is so obvious to everyone now Robbie.
The fake dream is over.
The nightmare continues.
Go IHOP!!!
Thanks Asher. Sorry if I got the RY copy thing wrong. But, you did record the security footage you posted on your phone right?
Ultraboy wrote:
My dad smoked 15 a day
That's great! Did he put you in a suitcase and throw you down the stairs too?