All eight indexes on our world watch list posted gains through September 3, 2019. The top performer is the iShares 20+ Treasury Bond ETF up 21.42%, followed by the SPDR Gold Trust with a gain of 20.84%, in third China's Shanghai SSE with an 18.86% gain and in fourth is France's CAC 40 with a gain of 16.56%. In fifth is our own S&P 500 with a gain of 15.79%. Coming in last is Hong Kong's Hang Seng with a gain of 1.58%. Over 52 weeks CDs at 2% have outperformed most of these investments.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Big Dog Investments wrote:
I obviously think it’s a good gamble. I even said as much. And now I think it is an even better gamble since you chimed in on the down side (as usual). Your reputation as a contrarian indicator is well deserved.
And your reputation for buying fundamentally flawed investments is well deserved. Let’s track this one and see how the contrarian indicator works.
Igy - I don't think you want to criticize anyone here for their investment picking.
Here is your beloved Hussman fund performance:
YTD-13.95%0.10%
1-Month-1.19%0.44%
3-Month-3.97%0.18%
1-Year-6.54%-0.02%
3-Year-8.53%0.85%
5-Year-9.08%0.06%
10-Year-7.27%0.68%
Last Bull Market-12.25%3.45%
Those are negatives. Every peformance measure is a huge negative.
Sally Vix wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
And your reputation for buying fundamentally flawed investments is well deserved. Let’s track this one and see how the contrarian indicator works.
Igy - I don't think you want to criticize anyone here for their investment picking.
Here is your beloved Hussman fund performance:
YTD-13.95%0.10%
1-Month-1.19%0.44%
3-Month-3.97%0.18%
1-Year-6.54%-0.02%
3-Year-8.53%0.85%
5-Year-9.08%0.06%
10-Year-7.27%0.68%
Last Bull Market-12.25%3.45%
Those are negatives. Every peformance measure is a huge negative.
Since I am not invested in that I could care less. On the other hand CDs have outperformed your stock investments since 1/21/2018. What happened to those double digit returns Sally?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Igy - I don't think you want to criticize anyone here for their investment picking.
Here is your beloved Hussman fund performance:
YTD-13.95%0.10%
1-Month-1.19%0.44%
3-Month-3.97%0.18%
1-Year-6.54%-0.02%
3-Year-8.53%0.85%
5-Year-9.08%0.06%
10-Year-7.27%0.68%
Last Bull Market-12.25%3.45%
Those are negatives. Every peformance measure is a huge negative.
Since I am not invested in that I could care less. On the other hand CDs have outperformed your stock investments since 1/21/2018. What happened to those double digit returns Sally?
Why pick 1/21? Why always a specific date that benefits you? CDs have real negative returns for almost every year of the last 30 years. You really espousing that crap?
Hey all I am saying is if you buy stocks today there is little value. That is all.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Congratulations DGTD for zero growth since 1/26/2018 some 19 months ago.
This is your basis for avoiding the stock market since 2011?
mister wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Congratulations DGTD for zero growth since 1/26/2018 some 19 months ago.
This is your basis for avoiding the stock market since 2011?
Is this theory the basis for your trolling, or are you just dense?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
mister wrote:
This is your basis for avoiding the stock market since 2011?
Is this theory the basis for your trolling, or are you just dense?
Ah yes, the tried and true strategy of insulting and diverting rather than answering a question that likely would not shed a positive light on you.
Says what you need.
Utter nonsense wrote:
Stanley Morgan wrote:
^ Finally a sensible post from Hussman. Money is not made or lost until until we sell the equities we hold.
That is complete and utter nonsense.
We now have definitive proof that K5 and Igy are not the same person. Igy would never disagree with Hussman.
The Pudding wrote:
Utter nonsense wrote:
That is complete and utter nonsense.
We now have definitive proof that K5 and Igy are not the same person. Igy would never disagree with Hussman.
We now have definitive proof that the nonsense and nastiness comes from Detector Dude.
S&P 500 is up 6.36% since then. So, even if someone had bought in on that date, which we all know is exceedingly unlikely, their portfolio outperformed CDs.
And in terms of double digit returns, one only need to look at the much more commonly referenced benchmark of YTD, which is up over 15% if memory serves me.
* this is in reference to Igy's statement: "On the other hand CDs have outperformed your stock investments since 1/21/2018. What happened to those double digit returns Sally?"
seattle prattle wrote:
* this is in reference to Igy's statement: "On the other hand CDs have outperformed your stock investments since 1/21/2018. What happened to those double digit returns Sally?"
In the last 30 years, CDs have a real return of 1.04% versus 7.29% of the S & P 500.
https://www.putnam.com/literature/pdf/II514-bee9d3d363e6964080e2056af9538b4a.pdfdoes that include reinvesting dividends? If not, that skews the disparity even more.
The Mayonnaise wrote:
The Pudding wrote:
We now have definitive proof that K5 and Igy are not the same person. Igy would never disagree with Hussman.
We now have definitive proof that the nonsense and nastiness comes from Detector Dude.
What nastiness? It seems to me that he is defending Igy.
seattle prattle wrote:
* this is in reference to Igy's statement: "On the other hand CDs have outperformed your stock investments since 1/21/2018. What happened to those double digit returns Sally?"
Market was not open 1/21/2018, but I was referencing the January 2018 market high (1/26/2018 so my error). The Dow closed that day at 26,616 (26,355 today). One can use the broader S&P 500 2,872 (2,937 today after a 1% move) up 1.42% annualized. The MSCI All Country World Index ETF (ACWI) 77.24 on that date, and today 72.70. Russell far worse, same for Europe, and most of Asia. I would imagine NASDAQ and India would be modest exceptions.
BUT BELIEVE WHAT YOU WISH.
I don't think the question is of believing only what i wish, it is trying to fathom what it is that you believe about CDs outperforming the broader market over any given standard metric. But thanks for clarifying and high marks for tenacity.
Hope your running is going well and your health as well.
seattle prattle wrote:
I don't think the question is of believing only what i wish, it is trying to fathom what it is that you believe about CDs outperforming the broader market over any given standard metric. But thanks for clarifying and high marks for tenacity.
Hope your running is going well and your health as well.
Seattle,
Thanks for the thoughtfulreply.
Not trying to be smarty, the caps stuck that last sentence, so my apologies.
Running peaked early July with a 15:54 road 2 mile. Eased up a bit, probably as much psychological as physical prior to my first annual CT scan. A poor scan would not be a good prognosticator. Fortunately I had what the radiation oncologist called a remarkable report. Last week I celebrated with a 30 mile backpacking trip with my son and the doctor friend that initially diagnosed me. We hiked thru some tough high country in the Sawtooth Wilderness Wednesday thru Saturday.
Hope you are doing well personally, running, family, financial and otherwise.
Igy
That's fantastic, Igy.
This summer was kind of a bust for us, just focused on getting our only off to college, which we did a couple of weeks ago. A lot of work in that analyzing if a tuition prepayment plan was a good deal or not, and figuring out to what extent the IRS would let us use the 529 for that purpose.
Well, sorted all that out, and now adjusting to the new normal.
Transitioning to a lot more time in my shop, woodworking, which i had to give up when we had the little guy years ago due to how much time it takes.
Running is going quite well. Getting the speed back now that i am avoiding another marathon cycle.
Still enjoying the markets, aggressively as always, but starting to transition to a more conservative bias slowly...