2021 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Ladow Shurker wrote:

OldSub20 wrote:

Listen, you don’t have to focus on it to do it. If you have a sound training philosophy and you’re a good decision maker and don’t hurt your athletes with emotional narcissistic behavior they will develop. You either can do it or not. There is no in-between!

The “focus” is mainly recruiting and the better athletes you recruit the more you get out of your coaching philosophy. If I can take a 5:20 girl to 4:50 I can surely take a 4:55 girl to 4:35 and so forth. The people that say you won’t last long are the ones that are jealous they can’t figure out how to get the same results out of the athletes they coach.

Aw you think guiding a woman from 4:55 to 4:35 is anything like guiding a woman from 5:20 to 4:50? Oh, hun…also, if you’re staying anywhere longer than 3-5 years in any role less than director without significant raises/promotions, then competitive ambition clearly isn’t your priority. This is a profession just like any other…and no one prioritizing professional advancement stays in any job longer than 5 years these days.

Aouita 84 wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

This is just silly. She has a great resume. She's had impressive jobs. You can't complain about someone not having enough experience, then talk out of the other side of your mouth too.

Question:

She clearly has some coaching experience, I never stated she didn't. Her running experience is average at best. My question is why does she bounce around from program to program? Cal is a Power 5 D-1 program, did she not succeed there? How about the Under Armour gig coaching pro athletes? Now she's in Santa Barbara (she'll be gone within 2 years). What gives? It seems a lot of "Wannabe" coaches bounce around from program to program to build resumes with nothing to show for it. The bottom line is that either you can coach or you can't. You're measured by the success of your athletes and team. Also, you hear a lot of banter with regard to money and how much each job pays and lack of scholarships, etc... Here's an idea, how about becoming a successful coach first and then worry about the money. You don't need to recruit a group of Footlocker finalists to be successful. You do need to have the ability to coach them up and develop them into conference and NCAA contenders. I have a great coaching gig on the east coast, it's taken almost 4 years to build the program and now were considered to be strong contenders for conference titles and hopefully NCAA titles. No Footlocker champs, No state champs, no Gatorade all-Americans, just a solid group of good runners who want to be better.

Also, I do believe there is a gender push to hire young female coaches with little or average running experience as opposed to older female or male coaches with more experience. These young inexperienced (running and coaching) coaches are looking for a quick paycheck rather than paying their dues and becoming a good coach first and then looking for the money.

The bottom line is if you're a young female coach with an average resume you're in the cat-bird seat to get a gig. Good for them, bad for developing elite NCAA talent.

WinnytheBish wrote:

She "bounced" to different programs because the new regime at Cal didn't retain her and wanted to bring in their own people (as most people do). She was respected enough to be offered a position post collegiately, so she took it. Now she has the chance to get back into college (because it's way more fun to coach college) and she took it. She gets to work as a full time coach and live in Santa Barbara now, I call that winning. Who knows, maybe her position at Dark Sky wasn't full time or without benefits. Just because your job isn't desirable or high-profile enough to garner criticism doesn't mean you're out there crushing it.

Also, the bottom line is you can't say "the bottom line" two times in the same post. There can't be two bottom lines. One line is the bottom and one is above it. Come on! Know your lines!

WinnytheBish wrote:

Aouita 84 wrote:

Question:

She clearly has some coaching experience, I never stated she didn't. Her running experience is average at best. My question is why does she bounce around from program to program? Cal is a Power 5 D-1 program, did she not succeed there? How about the Under Armour gig coaching pro athletes? Now she's in Santa Barbara (she'll be gone within 2 years). What gives? It seems a lot of "Wannabe" coaches bounce around from program to program to build resumes with nothing to show for it. The bottom line is that either you can coach or you can't. You're measured by the success of your athletes and team. Also, you hear a lot of banter with regard to money and how much each job pays and lack of scholarships, etc... Here's an idea, how about becoming a successful coach first and then worry about the money. You don't need to recruit a group of Footlocker finalists to be successful. You do need to have the ability to coach them up and develop them into conference and NCAA contenders. I have a great coaching gig on the east coast, it's taken almost 4 years to build the program and now were considered to be strong contenders for conference titles and hopefully NCAA titles. No Footlocker champs, No state champs, no Gatorade all-Americans, just a solid group of good runners who want to be better.

Also, I do believe there is a gender push to hire young female coaches with little or average running experience as opposed to older female or male coaches with more experience. These young inexperienced (running and coaching) coaches are looking for a quick paycheck rather than paying their dues and becoming a good coach first and then looking for the money.

The bottom line is if you're a young female coach with an average resume you're in the cat-bird seat to get a gig. Good for them, bad for developing elite NCAA talent.

She "bounced" to different programs because the new regime at Cal didn't retain her and wanted to bring in their own people (as most people do). She was respected enough to be offered a position post collegiately, so she took it. Now she has the chance to get back into college (because it's way more fun to coach college) and she took it. She gets to work as a full time coach and live in Santa Barbara now, I call that winning. Who knows, maybe her position at Dark Sky wasn't full time or without benefits. Just because your job isn't desirable or high-profile enough to garner criticism doesn't mean you're out there crushing it.

Also, the bottom line is you can't say "the bottom line" two times in the same post. There can't be two bottom lines. One line is the bottom and one is above it. Come on! Know your lines!

accurate wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

She "bounced" to different programs because the new regime at Cal didn't retain her and wanted to bring in their own people (as most people do). She was respected enough to be offered a position post collegiately, so she took it. Now she has the chance to get back into college (because it's way more fun to coach college) and she took it. She gets to work as a full time coach and live in Santa Barbara now, I call that winning. Who knows, maybe her position at Dark Sky wasn't full time or without benefits. Just because your job isn't desirable or high-profile enough to garner criticism doesn't mean you're out there crushing it.

Also, the bottom line is you can't say "the bottom line" two times in the same post. There can't be two bottom lines. One line is the bottom and one is above it. Come on! Know your lines!

The list of athletes she BURNED OUT is significantly larger than the list of athletes that she developed well.

Also you can't say she was respected enough to earn a pro coaching job only to then imply it was part time.

OldSub20 wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

She "bounced" to different programs because the new regime at Cal didn't retain her and wanted to bring in their own people (as most people do). She was respected enough to be offered a position post collegiately, so she took it. Now she has the chance to get back into college (because it's way more fun to coach college) and she took it. She gets to work as a full time coach and live in Santa Barbara now, I call that winning. Who knows, maybe her position at Dark Sky wasn't full time or without benefits. Just because your job isn't desirable or high-profile enough to garner criticism doesn't mean you're out there crushing it.

Also, the bottom line is you can't say "the bottom line" two times in the same post. There can't be two bottom lines. One line is the bottom and one is above it. Come on! Know your lines!

Aouita84 > winnythebish.