Is that email invite from rojo or a third party? Thanks!
Is that email invite from rojo or a third party? Thanks!
Ultra List Tracking wrote:
Rojo's Mom wrote:I would beg ulister to stop posting any updates whatsoever on this site.
There are plenty of updates coming from the Geezers, but you're not getting them all here, because so many of you are a$$holes.
You're probably right.
I'll just stick with the Ultra List.
Thanks.
I appreciated your updates.
D.T. wrote:
newbie linky wrote:His blog summarizes the key facts in an investigation which are spread across hundreds of pages in letsrun script formatted by a Commodore 64.
WTF is a Commodedoor 64?
I want an answer NOW!
with Seb on the sleeve
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/221920187044-0-1/s-l1000.jpgback to the 80s wrote:
D.T. wrote:WTF is a Commodedoor 64?
I want an answer NOW!
with Seb on the sleeve
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/221920187044-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
Very nice!
Cecil wrote:
I'm showing RY's tracker at 59 miles from yesterday afternoon's starting point on Cumberland Rd. east of Brownstown, to their current location just this side of Friendship Rd. and west of Martinsville. That's a total of about 18 hours, 30 minutes roughly, so about 18:49 minutes per mile, including all stops along the way.
Martinsville! wrote:
OK then, so the border crossing into "Indian" is about 22 n'a half miles, and the amazing little town of Martinsville, home of the world's largest horseshoe, is up next.
http://martinsvilleil.com/Cecil wrote:
Now it appears RY's tracker has moved on up into Martinsville, and is stopped on Main Street, bringing them up to about 60.5 miles for the "daily" miles tally since yesterday afternoon's big stop.
OK, and now we are back to the Friendship Rd intersection on Cumberland Rd west of Martinsville, after a quick driving(?) trip into downtown Martinsville and a side trip out to the Martinsville Pharmacy. So, the daily miles tally probably remains at 59 miles as I first noted above.
Rojo's Mom wrote:
rojo wrote:Ok. I spoke to Laz maybe 30 minutes ago. He is quite the characater.He says that it looked like RY was going to have an awful day but he sucked it up and has been gutting it out this mornign to get in the miles needed for the day (their day is basically motel to motel).
He said they mainly track him by driving ahead and waiting for him but also at times hide guys on the side so it's not predictable.
Anyway, on to the key issue. I pressed him about the watch/GPS data as in my mind proving he runs/walks from here on out proves nothing. Why don't we get the GPS/watch data which would show cadence? SYnc the tom tom to Strava if you aren't hiding anything. To me the only reason you wouldn't be doing taht as it happens is if you are hiding something..
Laz said he most definitely wants no part of the GPS data as he doesn't want to be accused of messing it up. He said if he was Rob he probably wouldn't hand it over either. I was like, "That makes no sense. If I had nothing to hide, i'd be publishing the data live."
He said if he was RY he wouldn't hand it over to letsrun as laz's wife has told him the tone is full of vitriol. I was somethign along the lines of "TI guess that's one way of viewiing. but i don't view it that way. Most people just think he's a cheater and defrauding the public."
Then suggested I get a strava employee to fly out there so there are no worrie about me doctoring.. He seemed to like that idea but wasn't sure if Rob's crew would have time to do it. He said it's a crew of just two people - two PR people who seemed overwhelmed. He said they'd have to be there when they stopped.
That's not hard. They generally stop every afternoon.
So it was an interesting conversation to say the least.
I'm going to a) Try to contract Strava
B) Ty to get the viceos from Colorado since no one else seems to be bothering with facts.
Again, you people are the dumbest of the dumb...
Laz didn't go for you, he's not there for you, he doesn't care about you.
The geezers aren't there to update the stupid LR community.
They don't care if you know what's happening, they don't care if you don't.
I would beg ulister to stop posting any updates whatsoever on this site.
There are plenty of updates coming from the Geezers, but you're not getting them all here, because so many of you are a$$holes.
Honestly, I had never heard of this site before RY, & when I found it, I thought "hey, cool, another spot to hang out & chat about running." After finding out there's more dlcks here than in a Dark brother's film, I doubt there'd be any reason to come back.
I love witty comebacks & kicking someone when they're down as much as the next guy, & every site has their share of oxygen wasters; but no kidding,
this place wins, hands down.
That's an awful lot of online tears, you gonna be ok?
brown odor wrote:
I've got a TomTom, set up a Strata account a couple of days ago to see about syncing between the two. Syncing new workouts as they complete is easy, haven't had much luck trying to get older workouts to move over.
I've only tried with the mobile apps, the desktop interface may be more robust.
I go via desktop but I manually transfer to Strava afterwards as I don't like the autosynching option. The files all get stored locally on my laptop as well but in their proprietary ttbin format. I don't believe you can manually transfer ttbin files yourself to TT though you can convert them via a third party tool if you need.
I updated the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtGrPEckX8y-2-zAFwUgzqCo4HYwUctZNOKDLbYD4Vk/edit#gid=471313666) with azimuth between two 12-minute checkins. Records are sequential by time, and for Kansas you can look for "back-tracking" by scanning through the corresponding records where azimuth is between 225 and 315 (That's a 90 degree slice that will easily get any eastward movement).
You can cross-reference these dates/locations with the team1.kml pastebin that noobrunner posted initially (http://pastebin.com/qqeK8RL1).
There's also been a long-term high-frequency update that a ulister has going based on their live data.
I locked the spreadsheet so no edits can be made.
Looks like a westward backtrack started around at Jun 5 at 12:38am Eastern and continued til at least 1:02am covering at least 12km. Looks like they went almost all the way back to the outskirts of Emporia before turning around to head east again.
from a third party. but rojo is doing lots of work on this and several pages back posted his email for people to send him information.
runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:
Is that email invite from rojo or a third party? Thanks!
Roberto Abooey wrote:
team1.kml wrote:Sorry if this was covered before, but just noticed his 35:58 10K coming out of Williams, AZ:
Times (Eastern) on 5-21-2016 for 4 checkpoints
7:08:19 (just outside Williams on I-40)
7:20:17 (distance: 2.195 miles, pace 5:27)
7:32:17 (distance: 2.096 miles, pace 5:43)
7:44:14 (distance 1.945 miles, pace 6:08) (ends at 7:56:15)
35:58 to cover 6.236 miles at elevation after 4 hours of running and in the middle of a 70 mile day, in which they had time to visit the Grand Canyon...
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/2016/05/23/day-8-9-may-2022/.
Also note that this 35:58 10K was supposedly run in 25mph+ winds:
http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/flagstaff/historic?month=5&year=2016
Interesting. Wind was at his back.
RYinvestigator wrote:
Ultra List Tracking wrote:You're probably right.
I'll just stick with the Ultra List.
Thanks.
I appreciated your updates.
There are a few RY diamonds in the rough here on LRC but the ulist has a higher level and more coherent RY discussion not to mention better signal to noise.
Some of the nonsense here is entertaining and I have thicker skin so I'll continue to stick around and throw LRC the occasional crosspost bone to keep you all in the loop.
baconheart wrote:
Do we have "beyond a reasonable doubt",
I'd be reluctant to send this to a jury based on what we can prove now.
Do we have "the preponderance of the evidence" (which essentially means that it was more likely than not that something occurred in a certain way).
Again I'd be reluctant to go to a jury as we are now.
People just do not get the reality of running times, distances and the interplay of so many things that are involved in ultra or multiday races.
The old saying "judged by people not smart enough to get out of jury duty" has a bit of reality behind it. Getting six out of eight on your side is not as easy as one would think especially dealing with a concept they do not really understand (long distance running) and so much he said/they said stuff being at the core of and pivotal in deciding degree of proof.
If I rojo I'd keep my wallet in my pocket on this one.
Do I think runners and knowledgeable fans get it? Yes . ..
but I doubt we will see a jury that stacked with runners and knowledgeable fans.
Is what was said here enough to sway Guinness from a Brilliantly Done ? It should be.
Do we have a list of links to legit reporting on this event? Not user generated social media or blogger type accounts?
Who assumed CCTV means a Chinese TV station not internal closed circuit TV in the van? Is there really a Chinese TV crew involved?
Has rojo contacted ESPN about their taping of Youngs trip.
Please explain the start of the event to me. I read he said he was going out for a practice run then called his team and said he started without them come get me X number of miles away. Did he want to sneak out of town without all the annoying press conferences and interviews?
Has rojo called the carwash, the barmaid or the tow truck guy? Who are these guys that are openly shadowing Young and why the subterfuge involved. Are these guys dumb enough to say we are not going to follow you we are going to hide along the way and see if you are actually running. is the Young Team stupid enough to not have him out on the road from here to NYC?
Why am I not following Centrowitz and his stress reaction rehab but looking up various tinytowns in middle America and informing myself about huge rockingchairs and the difference between the worlds biggest horseshoe and the worlds heaviest horseshoe
Martinsville, Illinois: World's Largest Horseshoe
Certified by Guinness World Records in 2013, then beaten by a slightly larger rival in Kentucky in 2015. It's still the World's Heaviest Horseshoe.
Ultra List Tracking wrote:
Rojo's Mom wrote:I would beg ulister to stop posting any updates whatsoever on this site.
There are plenty of updates coming from the Geezers, but you're not getting them all here, because so many of you are a$$holes.
You're probably right.
I'll just stick with the Ultra List.
Thanks.
Let's Run is a Forum that must be taken seriously. Aren't you also interested in reading seminal threads like this?
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7380595team1.kml wrote:
I updated the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtGrPEckX8y-2-zAFwUgzqCo4HYwUctZNOKDLbYD4Vk/edit#gid=471313666) with azimuth between two 12-minute checkins. Records are sequential by time, and for Kansas you can look for "back-tracking" by scanning through the corresponding records where azimuth is between 225 and 315 (That's a 90 degree slice that will easily get any eastward movement).
You can cross-reference these dates/locations with the team1.kml pastebin that noobrunner posted initially (http://pastebin.com/qqeK8RL1).
There's also been a long-term high-frequency update that a ulister has going based on their live data.
I locked the spreadsheet so no edits can be made.
Looks like a westward backtrack started around at Jun 5 at 12:38am Eastern and continued til at least 1:02am covering at least 12km. Looks like they went almost all the way back to the outskirts of Emporia before turning around to head east again.
Thanks, that is great.
So you are saying that Robert ran only 1190 miles until 6/10/16?
It all looks pretty weird to me.
it just gets better wrote:
rojo wrote:He said they mainly track him by driving ahead and waiting for him but also at times hide guys on the side so it's not predictable.
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This made me spit out my coffee. I love how ridiculous this whole thing is. They get a team of guys to go down there and watch him, but they don't even watch him, instead they would rather drive ahead and wait? Priceless. When driving slowly is too much work over just sitting, you can't make this stuff up.
Sigh.... Your lack of imagination prevents you from realizing that the Laz team was obviously trying to catch RY cheating red-handed (i.e.: riding in the RV), which would have ended this whole charade instantly, mission accomplished. The Laz team appears to be trying to monitor the run part of the time, but they are smartly also giving chances for RY to cheat again, which honestly would have a better outcome than just watching RY closely all the way to NYC.
And RY would be very tempted to cheat again, if his team still wants to get that "record".
UK Runner wrote:
From RY's Facebook:
[quote]This is a rather long Facebook post but necessarily so. Please bear with me.
As many of you will already know, there have been some questions raised about Rob on this run. We assure you everything is being done in the right way out here. Due to this we have been joined by Laz, a famous figure in the Ultrarunning world and race director of the Barkley marathon, along with other top ultrarunning figures. To check that Rob is doing all he says he is.
Oops, the master media manipulator Dustin Brooks has spun a negative in to a positive, that wasn't supposed to happen.
More spin:
"To check that Rob is doing all he says he is"
Well yeah, now he is, but that's not the issue, it's the data from before Laz and the boys got there that's the issue.
This Warren Buffett quote summarizes it well: "If a cop follows you for 500 miles, you’re going to get a ticket". Rob effed up, at least a handful of times, so it's just a matter of looking through the logs. Whether intentional or not, he didn't run all the miles he should have. There are way too many holes in this story. There is just no reasonable explanation for the monster distances he was able to cover in the boiling hot desert in such a short time span.
Just finished a 64 mile run wrote:
This is what I see too.
Emporia is west of Lebo.
If that is RY sauntering through, the pacer continues well out of town and circles back. RY covers 2.7 miles from the CCTV to the presumed pickup point where the RV appears to stop after driving 30 mph during the backtrack. You can estimate RY has about 83-93 min to cover that 2.7 mi. Reasonable with walking and stopping.
Here's the real question though--if they just left him behind would they do it again immediately?
Because immediately after this fiasco, the pace picks up to 6:15 for the next 15.3 miles heading east out of Emporia towards Lebo. Either they dropped him again (off the back of the van-where he wasn't present in the original video), or he found quite the second wind after the walking bit in Emporium.
The tracker slows down when they reach Lebo, then they apparently sleep just East of Lebo.
If they've only left him ~5 times, that hurts their case. The tracker has all kinds of instances of him running paces we don't suspect he can do.
Markus wrote:
team1.kml wrote:I updated the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DtGrPEckX8y-2-zAFwUgzqCo4HYwUctZNOKDLbYD4Vk/edit#gid=471313666) with azimuth between two 12-minute checkins. Records are sequential by time, and for Kansas you can look for "back-tracking" by scanning through the corresponding records where azimuth is between 225 and 315 (That's a 90 degree slice that will easily get any eastward movement).
You can cross-reference these dates/locations with the team1.kml pastebin that noobrunner posted initially (http://pastebin.com/qqeK8RL1).
There's also been a long-term high-frequency update that a ulister has going based on their live data.
I locked the spreadsheet so no edits can be made.
Looks like a westward backtrack started around at Jun 5 at 12:38am Eastern and continued til at least 1:02am covering at least 12km. Looks like they went almost all the way back to the outskirts of Emporia before turning around to head east again.
Thanks, that is great.
So you are saying that Robert ran only 1190 miles until 6/10/16?
It all looks pretty weird to me.
Oops, ignore the distance and pace stuff in that for a few minutes until I can correct it. I was experimenting with trends. If you're curious (before I have a chance to correct it), consider each point is based on a 5-point neighborhood, indexed from 1 through 5, with the center point (3) being the winner of the statistics. The distance and elapsed time are calculated from point 1 to 5. Then the pace is the 60-minute pace centered on that checkpoint.
Guys,
There is no chance in hell that RY and his crew will ever release their early stage GPS data. Just go ahead and build your case that RY and his crew of fraudulent grifters faked large parts of the pre-emporia running.
However, the real story is in the grifter - In the name of charity con artist - Epic Adventurist industrial complex being exposed here. If Rojo wants a story, he should focus on all the con artists using running to line their pockets.
They are spinning a growing web of ridiculous stories. No way that crackhead stumbling down the street was Rob. You know they are lying because they wait for an allegation to play out here and then when some evidence is posted they spend a day or two coming up with an explanation that fits.
runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:
Quick question. How would you verify either of those people aren't either part of the scam or real people but rural folks struggling (barmaid? Person out stumbling in middle of night)? Who have been slipped a few bills?
All distractions. Gps with cadence from start before it had a chance to be tampered with and complete accounting of charity dollars.
