How many years did it take for Michael “Norman” Jordan to get to 1924 games? Or was he not durable enough. lol.
Again, who doesn’t count playoff games?
Jordan achieved more in less years.
I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately. That's why it was news a couple months ago when LeBron broke Robert Parish's record of 1611 games.
He broke Parrish’s REGULAR SEASON record of 1611 games. And as I proved earlier, there’s a vast difference between lebron’s 1611 games and Parrish’s.
I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately. That's why it was news a couple months ago when LeBron broke Robert Parish's record of 1611 games.
He broke Parrish’s REGULAR SEASON record of 1611 games. And as I proved earlier, there’s a vast difference between lebron’s 1611 games and Parrish’s.
Your math on the minute difference included postseason play. I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately. That's why it was news a couple months ago when LeBron broke Robert Parish's record of 1611 games.
People who actually know basketball understand that NBA records are based on the regular season, and postseason stats are kept separately. When LeBron passed Kareem for most career points and the game was paused to celebrate it, it was because LeBron passed Kareem's regular season total. Fans knew that's what it was about.
It's not necessary to say "regular season" record. The default for NBA records is the regular season.
I never claimed LeBron isn't durable. I said Jordan had more durability within a season, evidenced by the fact that he played nine full 82 game seasons (I miscounted earlier when I said 8. It's actually 9) and LeBron only played one.
One person having more durability doesn't mean the other guy has none.
Even playing a record 23 seasons, playing into his 40s, playing 700 more games than Jordan and playing during an era where load management is a strategy, LeBron has averaged more games per season than Jordan.
I never claimed LeBron isn't durable. I said Jordan had more durability within a season, evidenced by the fact that he played nine full 82 game seasons (I miscounted earlier when I said 8. It's actually 9) and LeBron only played one.
One person having more durability doesn't mean the other guy has none.
Even playing a record 23 seasons, playing into his 40s, playing 700 more games than Jordan and playing during an era where load management is a strategy, LeBron has averaged more games per season than Jordan.
Not in the regular season, which is what my comment on durability was based on.
You're also failing to make an adjustment for Jordan's partial 1994-1995 season. The games during that year when his status was retired shouldn't count against him. He played in 100 percent of the games during the portion of that season when he was an active player on the roster.
He broke Parrish’s REGULAR SEASON record of 1611 games. And as I proved earlier, there’s a vast difference between lebron’s 1611 games and Parrish’s.
Your math on the minute difference included postseason play. I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately. That's why it was news a couple months ago when LeBron broke Robert Parish's record of 1611 games.
People who actually know basketball understand that NBA records are based on the regular season, and postseason stats are kept separately. When LeBron passed Kareem for most career points and the game was paused to celebrate it, it was because LeBron passed Kareem's regular season total. Fans knew that's what it was about.
It's not necessary to say "regular season" record. The default for NBA records is the regular season.
Even playing a record 23 seasons, playing into his 40s, playing 700 more games than Jordan and playing during an era where load management is a strategy, LeBron has averaged more games per season than Jordan.
Not in the regular season, which is what my comment on durability was based on.
You're also failing to make an adjustment for Jordan's partial 1994-1995 season. The games during that year when his status was retired shouldn't count against him. He played in 100 percent of the games during the portion of that season when he was an active player on the roster.
Full 82-game seasons: Jordan 9, LeBron 1
You need a lot of qualifier’s to try and make a point. lol.
LOL- trying to compare lifetime stats to per game avg stats in GOAT debates. Random subjective statements (“more versatility” (LOL)) vs STATS (MJ shooting 50% in the clutch vs LBJ shooting 35% in the clutch). “Elite in every era and system”- LMAO- uhhh, what?? He flops like pvssy biitch when he’s barely touched… you think he’d be able to handle getting bodied all game?? GTFOH
LeBron “dragging teams to the finals” only shows how watered-down the league has been in the no-defense era. To go 4-6 is… not good.
Nice try clowns. MJ has 2x 3-peats in the Finals, averages 30 PPG lifetime and shoots 50% from the floor in the most physical era in NBA history.
You keep saying “per game stats” because MJ fans know longevity destroys the argument. Staying elite for 20+ years absolutely matters in GOAT debates. LeBron is the all-time leading scorer while also being top-tier in assists. Jordan was never close to that level of all-around impact. And that “50% in the clutch vs 35%” stat gets thrown around with zero context every time. Define clutch. What sample size? What years? Meanwhile LeBron literally has more playoff game-winners than Jordan and has hit clutch shots in more playoff series across more eras.
Also, calling the modern NBA “no defense” is just exposing nostalgia bias. Modern defenses are infinitely more complex. Jordan played in an era with illegal defense rules that made isolation easier and prevented teams from fully loading up. LeBron deals with zones, switches, double teams, weak-side rotations, and elite athletes at every position. And the “physical era” point is overstated too. Hand-checking existed, sure, but spacing was worse, skill depth was lower, and plenty of players in the 90s had second jobs-level athleticism compared to today. The average NBA athlete now is bigger, faster, more skilled, and more versatile.
Also funny how “dragging teams to the Finals” suddenly becomes a negative when it’s LeBron. Jordan lost in the first round repeatedly before Pippen became elite and the Bulls built a dynasty around him. LeBron carried weak rosters to the Finals in both conferences. And saying 4-6 is bad ignores the fact that MAKING 10 Finals is insane in itself. You’re basically punishing LeBron for surviving longer in the playoffs than everyone else. Jordan fans act like losing before the Finals is somehow better than losing in the Finals. Jordan absolutely has arguments: Higher peak scoring Better midrange game More aesthetically dominant Perfect Finals record But LeBron’s argument is about total basketball value: Longevity Versatility Playmaking Adaptability Consistency across eras Overall production
One guy mastered one system with one franchise core. The other succeeded with multiple franchises, coaches, teammates, playstyles, and eras while remaining elite for over two decades.
Your entire argument boils down to “6-0” and nostalgia for the 90s. Mine is based on overall basketball impact, versatility, longevity, and actual production. That’s why your side keeps relying on mythology while LeBron’s résumé keeps getting stronger every season.
That’s where your mindset is the complete opposite of reality. Every season LBJ plays and doesn’t win a championship, an MVP, a scoring title, a 1st team All Defense, etc., is another year that pushes his legacy toward “hey he played a long time.”
Playing a long time (in a no defense era) without winning championships, MVPs, scoring titles, etc. isn’t GOAT debate worthy. It’s making his stats look even less effective each season.
PS- When 40%+ of an average team’s shots are 3s… YES, the game has been ruined. Skill is out the window. No need- just jack up more 3s. NBA Jam was a crappy video game version of the NBA back then… and the NBA is a crappy version of the NBA now.
Your math on the minute difference included postseason play. I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately. That's why it was news a couple months ago when LeBron broke Robert Parish's record of 1611 games.
People who actually know basketball understand that NBA records are based on the regular season, and postseason stats are kept separately. When LeBron passed Kareem for most career points and the game was paused to celebrate it, it was because LeBron passed Kareem's regular season total. Fans knew that's what it was about.
It's not necessary to say "regular season" record. The default for NBA records is the regular season.
Keep deflecting. I love it. lol.
What am I deflecting? Please elaborate on what point you're trying to make and exactly how it counters my stance that Jordan had more durability within a season based on the fact that Jordan played nine full 82 game seasons and LeBron only played one.
Not in the regular season, which is what my comment on durability was based on.
You're also failing to make an adjustment for Jordan's partial 1994-1995 season. The games during that year when his status was retired shouldn't count against him. He played in 100 percent of the games during the portion of that season when he was an active player on the roster.
Full 82-game seasons: Jordan 9, LeBron 1
You need a lot of qualifier’s to try and make a point. lol.
I'm just following established NBA standards for stats.
No qualifiers: Jordan played nine full 82 game seasons. LeBron played only one.
You keep saying “per game stats” because MJ fans know longevity destroys the argument. Staying elite for 20+ years absolutely matters in GOAT debates. LeBron is the all-time leading scorer while also being top-tier in assists. Jordan was never close to that level of all-around impact. And that “50% in the clutch vs 35%” stat gets thrown around with zero context every time. Define clutch. What sample size? What years? Meanwhile LeBron literally has more playoff game-winners than Jordan and has hit clutch shots in more playoff series across more eras.
Also, calling the modern NBA “no defense” is just exposing nostalgia bias. Modern defenses are infinitely more complex. Jordan played in an era with illegal defense rules that made isolation easier and prevented teams from fully loading up. LeBron deals with zones, switches, double teams, weak-side rotations, and elite athletes at every position. And the “physical era” point is overstated too. Hand-checking existed, sure, but spacing was worse, skill depth was lower, and plenty of players in the 90s had second jobs-level athleticism compared to today. The average NBA athlete now is bigger, faster, more skilled, and more versatile.
Also funny how “dragging teams to the Finals” suddenly becomes a negative when it’s LeBron. Jordan lost in the first round repeatedly before Pippen became elite and the Bulls built a dynasty around him. LeBron carried weak rosters to the Finals in both conferences. And saying 4-6 is bad ignores the fact that MAKING 10 Finals is insane in itself. You’re basically punishing LeBron for surviving longer in the playoffs than everyone else. Jordan fans act like losing before the Finals is somehow better than losing in the Finals. Jordan absolutely has arguments: Higher peak scoring Better midrange game More aesthetically dominant Perfect Finals record But LeBron’s argument is about total basketball value: Longevity Versatility Playmaking Adaptability Consistency across eras Overall production
One guy mastered one system with one franchise core. The other succeeded with multiple franchises, coaches, teammates, playstyles, and eras while remaining elite for over two decades.
Your entire argument boils down to “6-0” and nostalgia for the 90s. Mine is based on overall basketball impact, versatility, longevity, and actual production. That’s why your side keeps relying on mythology while LeBron’s résumé keeps getting stronger every season.
That’s where your mindset is the complete opposite of reality. Every season LBJ plays and doesn’t win a championship, an MVP, a scoring title, a 1st team All Defense, etc., is another year that pushes his legacy toward “hey he played a long time.”
Playing a long time (in a no defense era) without winning championships, MVPs, scoring titles, etc. isn’t GOAT debate worthy. It’s making his stats look even less effective each season.
PS- When 40%+ of an average team’s shots are 3s… YES, the game has been ruined. Skill is out the window. No need- just jack up more 3s. NBA Jam was a crappy video game version of the NBA back then… and the NBA is a crappy version of the NBA now.
“The NBA named the trophy after Jordan” is still not basketball analysis. It is branding and popularity. The league also named the Finals MVP after Bill Russell. That does not automatically make Russell greater than Jordan. And saying LeBron played with “8 All-Stars” ignores context completely. Most of those players were not in their primes when they played with him, and many became All-Stars because they played with LeBron. Meanwhile Jordan had arguably the greatest coach ever, a top-75 player ever in Pippen, an elite defender/rebounder in Rodman, and one of the greatest dynasties ever built around him. Also, you keep saying Jordan only played with “1 All-Star” like Pippen was some random role player. Scottie finished top 3 in MVP voting and led the Bulls to 55 wins without Jordan. That same supporting cast was winning deep into the playoffs before MJ came back. You say LeBron only has longevity, but longevity at an elite level is part of greatness. LeBron is not hanging around averaging 8 points off the bench. He was First Team All-NBA in year 20. Nobody in NBA history has combined peak, longevity, and versatility like this. And the scoring-era argument cuts both ways. Pace today is higher, but defenses are also infinitely more sophisticated. Jordan played in an era with illegal defense rules that prevented teams from fully loading up on stars. Modern players deal with switching defenses, zones, rotating help defenders, analytics-driven schemes, and athletes at every position. f Jordan’s era was so impossibly hard to score in, why were illegal defense rules literally designed to protect isolation scorers like him? You bring up championships constantly while ignoring team context. Basketball is not tennis. LeBron went to 10 Finals with three different franchises, coaches, and systems. Jordan never proved he could win outside the perfectly constructed Bulls dynasty. And the “ring chasing” point is weak considering NBA legends constantly changed teams: Wilt did it. Kareem did it. Shaq did it. KD did it. Even Jordan left Chicago and played for Washington. LeBron leaving dysfunctional organizations to build contenders is somehow a flaw, but Jordan needing the greatest front office and coach ever is not? As for impact, LeBron has: More total points More assists More rebounds More playoff production More All-NBA selections More seasons as an elite player More adaptability across eras Jordan absolutely has arguments: Higher scoring peak Better scorer relative to his era More awards in a shorter span Perfect Finals record But acting like the debate is not even close only works if you ignore half of basketball. Jordan was the better icon. LeBron has the stronger all-around basketball case. At the end of the day, the Jordan argument relies almost entirely on aesthetics, nostalgia, and “6-0.” The LeBron argument is built on actual basketball impact across every category imaginable. LeBron is the all-time leading scorer while also being one of the greatest passers ever. He has more rebounds, more assists, more playoff production, more longevity, more versatility, and succeeded across multiple eras, systems, coaches, and franchises. Jordan fans act like longevity is some side achievement when it is literally one of the hardest things in sports. Staying elite for 20+ years against constantly evolving competition is harder than dominating for a shorter stretch with one perfectly built dynasty. And if Jordan was truly untouchable, there would not need to be constant excuses: “6-0” “different era” “more physical” “killer instinct” “aura” Meanwhile LeBron’s case is backed by actual measurable impact: better all-around production, better playmaking, better efficiency, better adaptability, and unmatched longevity. LeBron did everything at an elite level for longer than anyone in NBA history. He did not just master one style of basketball. He mastered every style the league evolved into. At some point, the GOAT debate stops being about mythology and starts being about who was actually the better and more valuable basketball player. That player is LeBron James.
I appreciate that you actually take the time to put forward a thoughtful argument, unlike that other person.
The problem is your argument is centered on LeBron's longevity. Every time you cite LeBron having more cumulative stats, you're making a longevity argument. Of course LeBron is going to have the most cumulative points. He's played more games than anyone else in NBA history!
Yes, LeBron's longevity is unmatched. To maintain the high level of play as long as he has done it is undeniably awesome. I'm not saying it isn't awesome. It's just not enough to surpass Jordan, who had more of the highest level accomplishments in less time.
The other issue with emphasizing LeBron's longevity is you're not acknowledging all the recovery aids which enable him to do that, which Jordan didn't have. LeBron isn't alone as a modern player who is maintaining a high performance level for a long time. Durant and Curry are just a few years behind him, still playing great into their late 30s.
The MVP trophy being named after Jordan is an honor bestowed upon on him because of his stature in the game. When someone thinks of an MVP, they should think of Jordan because he is the quintessential MVP. The Finals MVP is named after Russell because he has the most championships, obviously.
I never ignored team context. When I talk about All-Star teammates, I'm talking about team context. You are mistaken on that subject. I said LeBron played with 8 active All-Stars in his career. The word "active" means they made the All-Star team while they were teammates of LeBron's. Jordan only had one such teammate.
I never once said Pippen was a just a role player. He was great. But was he superior to Wade and Bosh? Kyrie and Love? AD? Luka? No.
You can talk all you want about "sophisticated defenses." The irrefutable fact is league scoring has been higher in LeBron's era than it was in Jordan's. In Jordan's last year with the Bulls, only 3 guys averaged more than 25 points and only 18 guys averaged 20 or more. This year, 13 guys averaged 25+ and 33 averaged 20+. Teams averaged 20 more points/game this year than they did in Jordan's last year with the Bulls. With increased pace, space, and freedom of movement, team and individual scoring is up.
Big difference with Kareem is he won a championship with Milwaukee before he ever decided to take his talents elsewhere. And his motivation to leave wasn't to chase rings. He wanted to get out of small town Milwaukee. Once he joined his second team, he stayed with them. He didn't hop around ring-chasing like LeBron.
You make it sound like the Bulls have been a longstanding model organization. That's not true. They never made it to the NBA Finals before Jordan, and they haven't made it back since he retired.
Yes, LeBron adapts well to what his competitors are doing, or joins them. Jordan imposed his will and dominated his competitors.
6-0 isn't an "excuse." It's a trump card, to go with more regular season MVP awards, Finals MVP Awards, more scoring titles, more steals titles, and more All-Defensive Team selections in his first 13 years than LeBron has had in over 20.
Jordan was the better two-way player.
Jordan had more individual success and more team success while playing 8 less years and taking almost 2 years off in his prime.
Jordan was more impactful.
LeBron is great. Jordan is the GOAT.
I respect that your argument is at least consistent, but I still think it overvalues accolades and mythology while undervaluing actual basketball versatility and total impact. You keep reducing LeBron’s case to “just longevity,” but longevity at an elite level is not separate from greatness. It is greatness. Especially when the player is still All-NBA caliber after 20+ years. We are not talking about Vince Carter hanging around as a role player. We are talking about someone who has been a top-tier superstar across multiple generations of basketball. And honestly, the “recovery aids” argument weakens your point more than it helps it. If modern recovery makes longevity easier, then why has literally nobody else replicated LeBron’s combination of durability, production, and consistency? Not KD. Not Curry. Not Kobe. Not Duncan. Not Kareem. Every era has advantages. Jordan benefited from illegal defense rules, less offensive complexity, and fewer elite international athletes entering the league. We can play the era-adjustment game forever. Also, your “active All-Star teammates” point ignores the reality that LeBron’s teams were often top-heavy because he had to carry such massive offensive responsibility. Jordan had elite continuity, stability, coaching, and organizational structure for basically his entire championship run. LeBron changed teams because Cleveland’s front office failed repeatedly to build sustainable contenders around him. And the “ring-chasing” criticism falls apart when you look at context. LeBron went to 8 straight Finals in two different conferences while constantly adapting to different teammates, systems, and coaching staffs. Jordan never had to prove he could win outside the Phil Jackson Bulls ecosystem. You mention scoring environments, but raw league scoring does not automatically mean individual scoring is easier. Modern spacing creates efficiency, yes, but modern defenses are also dramatically more advanced. Players today face switching, zone concepts, analytics-driven shot suppression, rotating weak-side help, and far more athletic defenders across every position. Jordan was an incredible scorer, but LeBron impacts every area of the game at an all-time level simultaneously: scoring, playmaking, rebounding, transition offense, rim pressure, basketball IQ, versatility, and floor-raising. That is why so many advanced impact metrics across entire careers love LeBron. And about “6-0.” I actually think that argument hurts Jordan more than it helps him when used as a conversation ender. Basketball greatness is not determined by never losing before the Finals. LeBron made 10 Finals. Jordan made 6. Somehow losing earlier is treated as better than making it further. If LeBron had lost in earlier rounds instead of dragging undermanned teams to the Finals, people would literally hold fewer Finals losses against him. That logic makes no sense.You say Jordan had more success in less time. That is fair regarding peak accolades. But LeBron’s career is not just longer. It is broader. He succeeded under more circumstances than any superstar ever: different coaches, different systems, different teammates, different eras, different playstyles. Jordan had the cleaner résumé. LeBron has the more complete basketball résumé.
And honestly, the “Jordan only had one All-Star teammate” argument completely falls apart when that teammate was Scottie Pippen. Pippen was not just “an All-Star.” He was a top-5 player in the league at his peak, finished 3rd in MVP voting, was arguably the greatest perimeter defender ever, could run the offense, guard 1 through 4, and led the Bulls to 55 wins and a near Conference Finals appearance without Jordan. People talk about Wade, Kyrie, AD, and Bosh like they were all simultaneously at their absolute peaks with LeBron. They were not. Wade’s knees were already declining during the Heat title years. Bosh sacrificed his numbers heavily to fit the system. Love went from a 26 and 13 guy to a spot-up third option. AD has struggled to stay healthy consistently. Kyrie was elite offensively but nowhere near Pippen defensively or as an all-around player. Peak-for-peak, Pippen absolutely has an argument over every teammate LeBron had because of his two-way impact, versatility, leadership, and fit next to a superstar. Jordan fans love acting like MJ carried random role players, when in reality he had one of the greatest sidekicks ever, the greatest coach ever, elite continuity, and a perfectly built dynasty around him for nearly a decade. LeBron had far more roster turnover, more organizational instability, and still reached more Finals and produced more overall basketball value than anyone in league history.
You keep saying “per game stats” because MJ fans know longevity destroys the argument. Staying elite for 20+ years absolutely matters in GOAT debates. LeBron is the all-time leading scorer while also being top-tier in assists. Jordan was never close to that level of all-around impact. And that “50% in the clutch vs 35%” stat gets thrown around with zero context every time. Define clutch. What sample size? What years? Meanwhile LeBron literally has more playoff game-winners than Jordan and has hit clutch shots in more playoff series across more eras.
Also, calling the modern NBA “no defense” is just exposing nostalgia bias. Modern defenses are infinitely more complex. Jordan played in an era with illegal defense rules that made isolation easier and prevented teams from fully loading up. LeBron deals with zones, switches, double teams, weak-side rotations, and elite athletes at every position. And the “physical era” point is overstated too. Hand-checking existed, sure, but spacing was worse, skill depth was lower, and plenty of players in the 90s had second jobs-level athleticism compared to today. The average NBA athlete now is bigger, faster, more skilled, and more versatile.
Also funny how “dragging teams to the Finals” suddenly becomes a negative when it’s LeBron. Jordan lost in the first round repeatedly before Pippen became elite and the Bulls built a dynasty around him. LeBron carried weak rosters to the Finals in both conferences. And saying 4-6 is bad ignores the fact that MAKING 10 Finals is insane in itself. You’re basically punishing LeBron for surviving longer in the playoffs than everyone else. Jordan fans act like losing before the Finals is somehow better than losing in the Finals. Jordan absolutely has arguments: Higher peak scoring Better midrange game More aesthetically dominant Perfect Finals record But LeBron’s argument is about total basketball value: Longevity Versatility Playmaking Adaptability Consistency across eras Overall production
One guy mastered one system with one franchise core. The other succeeded with multiple franchises, coaches, teammates, playstyles, and eras while remaining elite for over two decades.
Your entire argument boils down to “6-0” and nostalgia for the 90s. Mine is based on overall basketball impact, versatility, longevity, and actual production. That’s why your side keeps relying on mythology while LeBron’s résumé keeps getting stronger every season.
That’s where your mindset is the complete opposite of reality. Every season LBJ plays and doesn’t win a championship, an MVP, a scoring title, a 1st team All Defense, etc., is another year that pushes his legacy toward “hey he played a long time.”
Playing a long time (in a no defense era) without winning championships, MVPs, scoring titles, etc. isn’t GOAT debate worthy. It’s making his stats look even less effective each season.
PS- When 40%+ of an average team’s shots are 3s… YES, the game has been ruined. Skill is out the window. No need- just jack up more 3s. NBA Jam was a crappy video game version of the NBA back then… and the NBA is a crappy version of the NBA now.
That logic makes no sense though. By your standard, once a player exits their absolute peak, every additional elite season somehow hurts their legacy. Nobody applies that logic to any other all-time great. Did Kareem hurt his legacy by playing longer? Did Duncan? Did Kobe? Did Brady in the NFL? Of course not. Sustained greatness adds to greatness. And LeBron is not just “hanging around.” Even in his late 30s and year 20+, he was still making All-NBA teams, averaging elite numbers, carrying offenses, and leading playoff teams. Most superstars are washed or retired by then. Also, calling this a “no defense era” is just nostalgia talking. Modern offenses are better because players are more skilled, spacing is smarter, and analytics exposed inefficient basketball. That does not mean defenders are worse. In fact, defenders today have to cover way more ground, switch onto multiple positions, defend in space, and rotate constantly against offenses built to punish every mistake. The 90s had physicality, but it also had terrible spacing, less offensive complexity, and far less overall talent depth. There were centers who could barely dribble and role players who would struggle to stay on modern rosters. And the “too many 3s” complaint is basically arguing against evolution. The game changed because teams realized 3 points are worth more than 2. That is not “less skill.” Players today are expected to shoot, dribble, pass, switch defensively, and create offense at a level most older role players never had to. If anything, LeBron dominating across multiple versions of basketball strengthens his GOAT case: slow-paced midrange era, pace-and-space era, small-ball era, 3-point heavy era. Most legends were dominant in one environment. LeBron adapted and remained elite through all of them. And the funniest part is this: people say longevity should not matter, but if LeBron retired in 2016 after beating a 73-9 team while leading both teams in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks, many people already would have called him the GOAT. Everything after that just widened the gap statistically and proved his greatness was sustainable longer than anyone ever.
How many years did it take for Michael “Norman” Jordan to get to 1924 games? Or was he not durable enough. lol.
Again, who doesn’t count playoff games?
I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately.
Basketball Reference also counts them combined. It doesn’t matter though. You and I can count them to demonstrate that over 23 seasons, in an era where load management is a strategy, playing 700 more games than Jordan, not taking any seasons off to rest (let alone doing that twice) and playing 25,000 more minutes than Jordan, LeBron still averages more games per season than Jordan.
If Jordan is durable then LeBron is an Iron Man. lol.
What am I deflecting? Please elaborate on what point you're trying to make and exactly how it counters my stance that Jordan had more durability within a season based on the fact that Jordan played nine full 82 game seasons and LeBron only played one.
I told you: The NBA and Basketball Reference count postseason games separately.
Basketball Reference also counts them combined. It doesn’t matter though. You and I can count them to demonstrate that over 23 seasons, in an era where load management is a strategy, playing 700 more games than Jordan, not taking any seasons off to rest (let alone doing that twice) and playing 25,000 more minutes than Jordan, LeBron still averages more games per season than Jordan.
If Jordan is durable then LeBron is an Iron Man. lol.
Trying to make it to Major League Baseball wasn't resting. Coming back and getting into NBA shape at 38 after 3 years off is harder than staying in NBA shape.
As I told you, my comment about season durability was based on the regular season. You're still including postseason games.
You're still failing to make an adjustment for Jordan's partial 1994-1995 season. The games during that year when his status was retired shouldn't count against him. He played in 100 percent of the games during the portion of that season when he was an active player on the roster.
What am I deflecting? Please elaborate on what point you're trying to make and exactly how it counters my stance that Jordan had more durability within a season based on the fact that Jordan played nine full 82 game seasons and LeBron only played one.
Dude. You’re bringing up Robert Parish. lol.
Only as an example to teach you that NBA records are based on the regular season.
As I told you, my comment about season durability was based on the regular season. You're still including postseason games.
Heaven forbid we actually look at all the games they actually played.
In the context of comparing season durability, the postseason doesn't count. Of course every player is going to play every postseason game unless they're injured.
Jordan played every game in the season 9 times. That's 9 seasons when he played both nights of every back to back and played every game on every road trip. Didn't matter if he was tired or sore from all the pounding he took in that very physical era. He still suited up and performed for the fans who paid to see him. LeBron only did that for a full season once.
LeBron took a bunch of regular season games off just to rest and preserve himself for the postseason. A strategy that backfired because even with all that extra rest for the postseason, he couldn't match Jordan's 6 championships and 6 Finals MVPs.
Basketball Reference also counts them combined. It doesn’t matter though. You and I can count them to demonstrate that over 23 seasons, in an era where load management is a strategy, playing 700 more games than Jordan, not taking any seasons off to rest (let alone doing that twice) and playing 25,000 more minutes than Jordan, LeBron still averages more games per season than Jordan.
If Jordan is durable then LeBron is an Iron Man. lol
Trying to make it to Major League Baseball wasn't resting.
Basketball Reference also counts them combined. It doesn’t matter though. You and I can count them to demonstrate that over 23 seasons, in an era where load management is a strategy, playing 700 more games than Jordan, not taking any seasons off to rest (let alone doing that twice) and playing 25,000 more minutes than Jordan, LeBron still averages more games per season than Jordan.
If Jordan is durable then LeBron is an Iron Man. lol.
Coming back and getting into NBA shape at 38 after 3 years off is harder than staying in NBA shape.
lol. 3 years off? That’s the very definition of resting.