10/27/2025 - This thread started well before anything was confirmed by Iowa State.
A volunteer moderator deleted several threads on this topic. That's not the way this should work. We believe in free expression and have reinstated them and merged them into this one thread.
As we wrote at the time, "If there is no truth to these rumors, please contact us at letsrun@letsrun.com or give us a call at 844-538-7786 and we will be happy to delete them and issue a statement."
It ends up appearing that the rumors had some teeth to them. Earlier today LetsRun.com co-founder Robert Johnson emailed head coach Jeremy Sudbury to let him know about this thread and asked if there was any truth to it.
At 3:31 pm ET, coach Sudbury emailed me the following:
Hello Robert, Thank you for reaching out directly. There were team rule violations. I have worked with our administration, and the involved athletes have been suspended and will not compete the remainder of this season. Have a nice rest of your weekend. Jeremy
Subsequently the Stride Report has written an article on the matter:
And coach Sudbury has confirmed to us that no one who ran in the A race at Missouri was impacted by the suspensions. We have asked him about the status of his #3 runner from Missouri as it appears he was arrested last week after leaving the scene of a traffic accident as shown here.
Previous thread titles included, "ALLEGED Doping Bust at NCAA Program. What Now?" and "Iowa State EPO"
My prediction is that these are your typical college athletes. If they are busted for drugs they are going to roll on their friends/suppliers and fellow users very very quickly. These aren't the type of people that used this type of situation.
I feel like anyone who got name dropped recently in this thread should be investigated. If they’re safe then they have nothing to worry about. Because it seems that we’re about to see an empire fall or at least uncover parts of the whole thing that no one realizes
And guess what- they aren't the only ones. The NCAA cannot afford for times to go 'backwards'. If championships are won in consistently slower times than, say, the 70s and 80s, the sport loses its luster.
My guess is nothing will come from this. Suspensions will be served, the athletes may be sent away, scholarships could be taken etc but there will be zero official mention of EPO from the NCAA, the AIU, USADA or WADA
And guess what- they aren't the only ones. The NCAA cannot afford for times to go 'backwards'. If championships are won in consistently slower times than, say, the 70s and 80s, the sport loses its luster.
My guess is nothing will come from this. Suspensions will be served, the athletes may be sent away, scholarships could be taken etc but there will be zero official mention of EPO from the NCAA, the AIU, USADA or WADA
Who cares about times in the NCAA? Have you watched the 1500m?
And guess what- they aren't the only ones. The NCAA cannot afford for times to go 'backwards'. If championships are won in consistently slower times than, say, the 70s and 80s, the sport loses its luster.
My guess is nothing will come from this. Suspensions will be served, the athletes may be sent away, scholarships could be taken etc but there will be zero official mention of EPO from the NCAA, the AIU, USADA or WADA
Who cares about times in the NCAA? Have you watched the 1500m?
Are you joking? Time chasing is the whole focus of indoor track. Why are there a billion races at BU? Why are collegians running with pros at the Ten or NB? Championship races are one thing, but how many world leads in the mile/3k/5k do we see early in the year by collegians?
Bill-I think while you are focused on the larger issue many are focused on the smaller more immediate issues. Both correct but different sides of the same coin. Student athletes 100% need to be held accountable (of course)
But the larger issue is the NCAA and the level needed to compete (D1).
The system is flawed, maybe we need a new senior division for 25+…and doping all together in one.
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Just some basic facts about how Iowa State, ranked #1, was running this year. They had five guys sub-23 at Gans Creek last month, all Kenyan. They then had four more guys sub 23:37, two Kenyan, one half-Kenyan, and another guy. Clevenger was not among that top nine. They won the race. Then at Nuttycombe they finished way back and had none of those top guys. Clevenger was their fastest at that race in 23:37.
