David Roche GOES HOME DEVASTATED from Western States

rochehater · 2025-06-28T17:21:08-04:00

It's over folks. At the Forest Hill aid station he and wife Megan are coming up with the DNF plan. Haters go home elated. David Roche goes home absolutely devastated.

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11 months ago 07/02/2025 11:43am EDT

re: so true

so true wrote:
It is pretty normal to have a bad day at a race, especially 100 miles and have to reassess and most of the time you can still finish. But it is very on character for this guy, I knew he would DNF by cal street, totally called it.
People like Rojo asking why this guy is disliked. Its because he's like an awful version of Sage Canaday (this is not a slight on Sage). Sage doesn't pretend to do personalized coaching with his coaching plans he sells. He doesn't make ridiculous claims based on half truths, his approach is science oriented but doesn't cherry pick and follow trendy data and he can back up what he says. And at WS when Sage started puking on the trail trying to chase Walmsley through the canyons, he gutted it out and finished 11th.

Were you around for the Spring Energy debacle LOL? If anything is shows he's completely clueless when it comes to science. But even worse, he's actually downright dangerous since he's not aware of his limitations. He mansplained and bullied a type 1 diabetic into retracting their claim that Spring gels were fraudulent. He claimed that water vapor has calories. He also claimed Awesome Sauce couldn't have 70 calories because he felt it had more. Does this sound like guy that's "science oriented" to you?

11 months ago 07/02/2025 11:54am EDT

re: Cornell Education

Cornell Education wrote:
so true wrote:
It is pretty normal to have a bad day at a race, especially 100 miles and have to reassess and most of the time you can still finish. But it is very on character for this guy, I knew he would DNF by cal street, totally called it.
People like Rojo asking why this guy is disliked. Its because he's like an awful version of Sage Canaday (this is not a slight on Sage). Sage doesn't pretend to do personalized coaching with his coaching plans he sells. He doesn't make ridiculous claims based on half truths, his approach is science oriented but doesn't cherry pick and follow trendy data and he can back up what he says. And at WS when Sage started puking on the trail trying to chase Walmsley through the canyons, he gutted it out and finished 11th.
Were you around for the Spring Energy debacle LOL? If anything is shows he's completely clueless when it comes to science. But even worse, he's actually downright dangerous since he's not aware of his limitations. He mansplained and bullied a type 1 diabetic into retracting their claim that Spring gels were fraudulent. He claimed that water vapor has calories. He also claimed Awesome Sauce couldn't have 70 calories because he felt it had more. Does this sound like guy that's "science oriented" to you?

You got me there, the spring energy debacle was definitely bad. But when it comes to his training and his videos around all that, including his own capabilities he is not in la la land like David Roche. And David and Megan have their own "spring energy" with AG1 and touted benefits that are anything but proven.

They are snake oil salesmen with a sprinkling of running talent. Trying to hang with guys like Kilian must have been such a demoralizing punch in the gut as he realized how smooth and in control Kilian was even going under CR pace on such a hot day. Just completely out of his league.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 12:24pm EDT

re: Keep the kids out of it

Keep the kids out of it wrote:
Lmao man one person in those podcast comments (out of 60+) says "you could have walked it in" and is met with "Go f*ck yourself" from the Roches. How dare you disrupt the echo chamber?
I never want to hear about David being tough again. He is not tough. When things get hard, he DNFs. The consequence of having a very easy life but also having a victim mentality.

Yea that's his brand now - if he's not winning by 1/3rd to 1/2 through the race, he finds a reason to drop out. Perhaps its because he's like a dog playing fetch where he won't slow down until he explodes, but I think its more mental. I mean he took the field over the escarpment and the first aid station at mile 10.3/Lyon's Ridge 13 minutes ahead of Jim's course record split. Tom Evans won in 2023 with a 14:40 and came through Lyons Ridge/Mile 10.3 almost 20 minutes after David's split this year. That's an insane split and an insane amount of pressure to put on yourself to have to be in the lead of a race.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 12:34pm EDT

re: bReOt

bReOt wrote:
I mean he took the field over the escarpment and the first aid station at mile 10.3/Lyon's Ridge 13 minutes ahead of Jim's course record split. Tom Evans won in 2023 with a 14:40 and came through Lyons Ridge/Mile 10.3 almost 20 minutes after David's split this year. That's an insane split and an insane amount of pressure to put on yourself to have to be in the lead of a race.

I am curious why a dozen other runners went with him.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:08pm EDT

re: Keep the kids out of it

Keep the kids out of it wrote:
Lmao man one person in those podcast comments (out of 60+) says "you could have walked it in" and is met with "Go f*ck yourself" from the Roches. How dare you disrupt the echo chamber?
I never want to hear about David being tough again. He is not tough. When things get hard, he DNFs. The consequence of having a very easy life but also having a victim mentality.

What a low life bum. Money can't by you class.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:10pm EDT

re: buzzcolorado

buzzcolorado wrote:
bReOt wrote:
I mean he took the field over the escarpment and the first aid station at mile 10.3/Lyon's Ridge 13 minutes ahead of Jim's course record split. Tom Evans won in 2023 with a 14:40 and came through Lyons Ridge/Mile 10.3 almost 20 minutes after David's split this year. That's an insane split and an insane amount of pressure to put on yourself to have to be in the lead of a race.
I am curious why a dozen other runners went with him.

Because he wasn't wrong about the concept of starting at faster than course record pace. He just isn't that dude.

The guys in the top 4 for the last 45ish miles were all within 15 seconds Roche at the Escarpment and Lyon Ridge. The top 3 finishers became the only runners outside of Walmsley to break 14:20 so it's hard to argue that starting fast hindered them at all.

Meanwhile the elites who went out notably behind the front pack never made back to the front and weren't at all relevant in the race for the win. That's fine if they want a top 10 finish to return next year, but they aren't going to win that way anymore.

On the women's side, the winner, Abby Hall, led over the escarpment and was near the lead throughout. The 2nd place finisher, Fuzhao, was the favorite but went out slow. She was 19 minutes back at Forest Hill and managed to close to just under 10 minutes at the finish. We didn't learn whether she was capable of winning because she never put herself in position to find out.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:11pm EDT

re: buzzcolorado

buzzcolorado wrote:
I am curious why a dozen other runners went with him.

To watch the sh!t show when he blew up? Either that, or they were of the belief that at least one of the runners in that pack had a good chance of winning.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:26pm EDT

re: so true

so true wrote:
Cornell Education wrote:
Were you around for the Spring Energy debacle LOL? If anything is shows he's completely clueless when it comes to science. But even worse, he's actually downright dangerous since he's not aware of his limitations. He mansplained and bullied a type 1 diabetic into retracting their claim that Spring gels were fraudulent. He claimed that water vapor has calories. He also claimed Awesome Sauce couldn't have 70 calories because he felt it had more. Does this sound like guy that's "science oriented" to you?
You got me there, the spring energy debacle was definitely bad. But when it comes to his training and his videos around all that, including his own capabilities he is not in la la land like David Roche. And David and Megan have their own "spring energy" with AG1 and touted benefits that are anything but proven.
They are snake oil salesmen with a sprinkling of running talent. Trying to hang with guys like Kilian must have been such a demoralizing punch in the gut as he realized how smooth and in control Kilian was even going under CR pace on such a hot day. Just completely out of his league.

Sorry, but weren’t the roaches involved with awesomsauce as well?

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:31pm EDT

re: Cornell Education

At least sage eventually came around and ate some crow. I would be confused and double down Intially if I was lied to by spring

The roches just continued to lie about their involvement and revised the truth to remove them from guilt

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:36pm EDT

re: Um..,

Um.., wrote:
so true wrote:
You got me there, the spring energy debacle was definitely bad. But when it comes to his training and his videos around all that, including his own capabilities he is not in la la land like David Roche. And David and Megan have their own "spring energy" with AG1 and touted benefits that are anything but proven.
They are snake oil salesmen with a sprinkling of running talent. Trying to hang with guys like Kilian must have been such a demoralizing punch in the gut as he realized how smooth and in control Kilian was even going under CR pace on such a hot day. Just completely out of his league.
Sorry, but weren’t the roaches involved with awesomsauce as well?

Oh good point. I forgot they were sponsored by spring as well.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:47pm EDT

re: so true

so true wrote:
Um.., wrote:
Sorry, but weren’t the roaches involved with awesomsauce as well?
Oh good point. I forgot they were sponsored by spring as well.

I guess it was a lot of involvement. maybe he was using old packets last weekend…

“In January 2021, Spring Energy released a game-changing gel, Awesome Sauce. In collaboration with coaches and runners Megan and David Roche (who taste-tested and named the flavor)”.

run.outsideonline.com

Getting Lost in the Sauce: Spring Energy's Popular Gel Under Scrutiny

Mallory Arnold

Awesome Sauce, once touted for its high-carb intake and low volume, contains about a third of calories than advertised, multiple independent nutritional analyses suggest

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11 months ago 07/02/2025 1:59pm EDT

re: Mainerunningturd

Mainerunningturd wrote:
At least sage eventually came around and ate some crow. I would be confused and double down Intially if I was lied to by spring
The roches just continued to lie about their involvement and revised the truth to remove them from guilt

The Roches actually plead the 5th when the allegations came out, whereas Sage was making Twitter videos and posting on here and other social media fervently defending Spring. There's a reason the Roches escaped mostly unharmed from the ordeal while Sage got heavily buttspanked.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 2:11pm EDT

re: Keep the kids out of it

Keep the kids out of it wrote:
Lmao man one person in those podcast comments (out of 60+) says "you could have walked it in" and is met with "Go f*ck yourself" from the Roches. How dare you disrupt the echo chamber?
I never want to hear about David being tough again. He is not tough. When things get hard, he DNFs. The consequence of having a very easy life but also having a victim mentality.

Wow. That person's comment wasn't even that bad - they were just asking why he didn't walk it in. Never seen the Roche's tell someone to "go f*ck yourself" before. Of course it also has a heart emoji, and starts with "with all due respect." Maybe they are going to fight back now??

11 months ago 07/02/2025 2:25pm EDT

re: 2smart2stillrace

2smart2stillrace wrote:
Keep the kids out of it wrote:
Lmao man one person in those podcast comments (out of 60+) says "you could have walked it in" and is met with "Go f*ck yourself" from the Roches. How dare you disrupt the echo chamber?
I never want to hear about David being tough again. He is not tough. When things get hard, he DNFs. The consequence of having a very easy life but also having a victim mentality.
Wow. That person's comment wasn't even that bad - they were just asking why he didn't walk it in. Never seen the Roche's tell someone to "go f*ck yourself" before. Of course it also has a heart emoji, and starts with "with all due respect." Maybe they are going to fight back now??

Screenshot?

11 months ago 07/02/2025 2:37pm EDT

re: 2smart2stillrace

2smart2stillrace wrote:
Keep the kids out of it wrote:
Lmao man one person in those podcast comments (out of 60+) says "you could have walked it in" and is met with "Go f*ck yourself" from the Roches. How dare you disrupt the echo chamber?
I never want to hear about David being tough again. He is not tough. When things get hard, he DNFs. The consequence of having a very easy life but also having a victim mentality.
Wow. That person's comment wasn't even that bad - they were just asking why he didn't walk it in. Never seen the Roche's tell someone to "go f*ck yourself" before. Of course it also has a heart emoji, and starts with "with all due respect." Maybe they are going to fight back now??

I've seen Roche reply like this to other posters in the past, mainly when it was regarding comments that did not align with his political beliefs.

11 months ago 07/02/2025 3:06pm EDT

re: Clark Lewis

Here ya go

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11 months ago 07/02/2025 3:16pm EDT

re: CharlatanRoche

CharlatanRoche wrote:
Here ya go
Image:preview.redd.it/healthy-living-and-run...

That’s just tacky and unprofessional behavior, sheesh

11 months ago 07/02/2025 3:28pm EDT

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I mean, this isn't on Strava it's not really a threat, and it's buried in the Spotify comments section. I don't think Roche should be speaking to people this way, especially not in response to fairly innocuous comments, but I think you're blowing this a little out of proportion.

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