So Matt Carpenter has been here all these pretending to be a verbose, Ivy-trained lawyer. You have to admit it was a pretty good diguise because it was so out of character.
So Matt Carpenter has been here all these pretending to be a verbose, Ivy-trained lawyer. You have to admit it was a pretty good diguise because it was so out of character.
I don't know Matt but I would think he has his hands full with running his business. There is not time for that. Probably only well paid Hoka athletes have time for this nonsense.
So Matt Carpenter has been here all these pretending to be a verbose, Ivy-trained lawyer. You have to admit it was a pretty good diguise because it was so out of character.
I don't know Matt but I would think he has his hands full with running his business. There is not time for that. Probably only well paid Hoka athletes have time for this nonsense.
You guys do realize Matt scored free shoes and race-entry fees from his sponsor Fila, right? So he probably had time for that too (in the 90's).
So Matt Carpenter has been here all these pretending to be a verbose, Ivy-trained lawyer. You have to admit it was a pretty good diguise because it was so out of character.
Yes it was very entertaining. It looks like Seth Demoor was the big winner this weekend, with the double win here. Sage Canaday was the biggest loser and he was not even running there.
And for the record Seth also has a long history of EPO usage:
Eggs
Plyometrics
Overtraining
Dude I seriously spit out my water when I read this.... epic level sh1tposting.
So Matt Carpenter has been here all these pretending to be a verbose, Ivy-trained lawyer. You have to admit it was a pretty good diguise because it was so out of character.
I thought "Avacado's Number" went to MIT then Harvard law? Or some combination of similar schools, though I'm pretty sure he mentioned he went there for undergrad and then went to law school also in Cambridge
Your fixation that Sage “lied” about his 2:16 is pathetic. Yes, it was run at Boston, but it’s a legit race that most would consider a PB if they ran one there. In fact, I remember Ryan Hall stating that he will always be a 2:04 marathoner after his 2011 run at Boston
I appreciate your support...but I'm going to Fact Check you guys here because I'm a stickler for facts.
1. "absolute cream of human fitness" we were talking about Matt's 1993 run at Pikes (not some 2005 record).
2. "BOPA" thanks! I actually ran my 2:16:52 at the 2011 Rock n' Roll San Diego Marathon (not Boston).
It is point to point (hence why not World Athletics cert for official World Records etc).
HOWEVER, it was an Olympic Trials Qualifying performance for the 2012 US Olympic Marathon Trials.
Much like guys that run an OTQ on a course like CIM or Grandmas or Boston.
So if you can't count a USATF certified marathon run on a course that gets you an Olympic Trials Marathon Qualifier as your marathon time/PR then you're technically dismissing a heck of a lot of people (or anyone that ran a marathon time on a course like CIM, Grandmas, Boston or Rock n' Roll San Diego etc).
This will be my last post on this thread. I think the most interesting thing I learned on this thread is discovering that "Avocado's Number" might actually be Matt Carpenter. Thanks for the entertainment and for indulging me!
I appreciate your support...but I'm going to Fact Check you guys here because I'm a stickler for facts.
1. "absolute cream of human fitness" we were talking about Matt's 1993 run at Pikes (not some 2005 record).
2. "BOPA" thanks! I actually ran my 2:16:52 at the 2011 Rock n' Roll San Diego Marathon (not Boston).
It is point to point (hence why not World Athletics cert for official World Records etc).
HOWEVER, it was an Olympic Trials Qualifying performance for the 2012 US Olympic Marathon Trials.
Much like guys that run an OTQ on a course like CIM or Grandmas or Boston.
So if you can't count a USATF certified marathon run on a course that gets you an Olympic Trials Marathon Qualifier as your marathon time/PR then you're technically dismissing a heck of a lot of people (or anyone that ran a marathon time on a course like CIM, Grandmas, Boston or Rock n' Roll San Diego etc).
This will be my last post on this thread. I think the most interesting thing I learned on this thread is discovering that "Avocado's Number" might actually be Matt Carpenter. Thanks for the entertainment and for indulging me!
Sage. You. Are. An. Idiot.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We are looking into this as we speak.
Yes it was very entertaining. It looks like Seth Demoor was the big winner this weekend, with the double win here. Sage Canaday was the biggest loser and he was not even running there.
And for the record Seth also has a long history of EPO usage:
Eggs
Plyometrics
Overtraining
And Seth will soon be back on youtube I hear. It's interesting he didn't release his training for over summer, I'm guessing it's because overtrained like never before.
Remi has run up a minute faster. Dakota has run down a minute and a half faster. Mejia ran less than 5 minutes slower total in 95, but somehow to Sage his time just isn’t physically possible. Total clown show.
Has Matt ever "explained" why is 1993 run is so much quicker than his other times?
No, instead he opened a Custard shop. Very suspicious.
Even more sus: 'Custard Man' is an anagram of 'Cuts Darn MA'. MA clearly stands for Marathon Ascent, meaning that he found a shortcut on the ascent. He's been hiding in plain sight for years and his choice of profession is his confession.
No, instead he opened a Custard shop. Very suspicious.
Even more sus: 'Custard Man' is an anagram of 'Cuts Darn MA'. MA clearly stands for Marathon Ascent, meaning that he found a shortcut on the ascent. He's been hiding in plain sight for years and his choice of profession is his confession.
Sage spends so much time in here implying that Matt Carpenter is a cheat or doper based on Matt having a great race. But Sage recently twisted himself in knots to say that what Allie Ostrander did is different from all the other known dopers he consistently attacks and he's fine with her violation because it was only a masking agent.
When I wrote my first post on this thread (post #33), I was really hoping that you wouldn't show up with your annual irresponsible insinuations about Matt and your cherry-picked times, sometimes going so far as to suggest that some of your own running accomplishments are comparable to or even better than Matt's. I simply don't think it's worth my time to debate you, and I've even let some of your claims about your own accomplishments and comparisons to Matt's accomplishments go unchallenged. I also know that you have a big following among average runners, and I don't want to deal with any of them. But since you purport to be unsure about what a couple of us are "getting at," I'll provide some more information.
First, regarding your claim that your marathon "PR" (personal "record") is 2:16:52, you know very well what counts as a marathon "record." Among other things, it requires that you run on a record-quality course. Here is what World Athletics (WA) says about your performances:
First, note that WA lists your best performance at any recognized event to be your 2:18:24 at the 2012 Olympic trials (on a fast course under excellent conditions). Your 2:16:52 is not listed among any of your best performances. Even your 2:21:43 on the non-record-quality course at Grandma's (Duluth) is listed as one of your best performances.
Second, note that, in listing your PRs at various distances, WA lists your 2:18:24 as your marathon record. As WA often does, it also acknowledges your faster 2:16:52, but states that your performance in that race was "not legal," which is even worse than "non-record-quality" or "not record-eligible." And yes, I realize that my standards, as well as the standards of WA and ARRS, excludes times from CIM, Boston, and Grandma's as personal "records." I know many people who list times from those races as PRs, and they are, in my view, either ignorant about record standards or lying. I don't believe you're ignorant about record standards. I can at least understand why some people, with times on non-record-quality but not horrendously aided courses, might believe that those times better reflect their true abilities than their much slower times on record-quality courses and are therefore more appropriate or informative to list as PRs, but that's not true in your case, since your 2:18:24 is, to use your term, something of an outliner, with only two mid- to high-2:19s and a ton of marathons in the 2:20s or DNFs. It's simply dishonest for you to continue to claim that you are a 2:16 marathoner, even in response to someone's entirely correct statement that you are only a "2:18 marathoner," because you actually know better.
Third, I acknowledge your half-marathon PR of 1:04:32, but WA doesn't consider it to be better than your best marathon performances, and I'm confident that Matt would have been faster than that if he had been running any sea-level half-marathons in his peak years. He mentioned to me once that when he's asked for his half-marathon PR, he's not sure what to say, because he hasn't run any half-marathon races, and his fastest half-marathon was 1:05:26 for the first half of the 1990 national marathon championship (when he happened to be leading, among others, the world half-marathon record holder on a loop and record-quality course). In WA's list of your top ten race performances, I haven't seen anything that Matt couldn't beat during his peak years if he had chosen to pursue PRs in sea-level events.
Fourth, although it's true that Matt has only run one sub-2:20 marathon, he did that in the January 1992 Houston Marathon, when he just wanted to get in an Olympic trials qualifier before the fast-approaching trials qualifying cut-off and race. (He said that he ran it very easily to get the qualifier, though he cut it a lot closer than I did or would have under similar circumstances.) Matt's goal in the late '80s through at least the fall of 1990 was to make the U.S. Olympic team in the marathon and compete against the best (non-U.S.) marathoners, and many knowledgeable people thought that he could do that. I think his meltdown in the 1990 national marathon championship after leading for the first seventeen miles was a big blow to him. He shuffled to the finish in over 2:30. I'm pretty sure that you or I would have dropped out to avoid a 2:30+ on our running resume, but -- unlike you and me -- Matt never dropped out of a marathon or any other race, except in a little local race that he was leading when his ankle was injured and a bone in his foot broke.
Finally, you seem to go out of your way to avoid discussing Matt's greatest wins and records around the world, and you often focus on times that he ran many years after his peak. Consider, for example, this: In 1990, when he was 26 years old and still fairly young in the sport of mountain running, Matt ran 2:07:36 to win the Pikes Peak Ascent. In 2006, when he was 42 years old and long past his peak years, Matt won the Pikes Peak Marathon (which also served as the World Mountain Running Association Long Course Championships) in 3:33:07 with a 2:08:27 Ascent. What do you think that you (or anyone else) will be able to do when you're 42?
For a complete list of Matt's racing over a period of close to forty years (almost all of which was at high altitudes), go to this link:
Um, okay you don't want to give me credit for a 2:16:52 marathon PR. Whatever. My 1:04:32 half is a better performance anyway. For the record I also have been top 20 at Boston and Chicago.
But my whole point of bringing up relative marathon PRs, as well as times at Sierre-Zinal and MT. WA etc is to compare them as a relative reference to a mountain race like Pikes (and because guys like Matt, Joe Gray, Max King, Kilian, Remi and myself have raced there extensively over the years).
It's not like Matt was some sub 2:09 marathoner who ran 55-min at Mt. WA and won the World Mountain Running Champs (or Sierre-Zinal 6 + times like Mejia and Kilian have). Heck even Remi has run 2:36 or so at SZ.
Anyway, back to Seth: I also think he has the talent to run sub 2:18 but just hasn't put it together yet. His 2:23 PR (or is it 2:22) is kinda close though. And he has won Pikes twice in 3:37-3:38 kind of times. His speciality is certainly uphills at high altitude (much like Matt). But Seth, myself, Adam Peterman, Max King, Jonathon Aziz, Joe Gray, Kilian and Remi etc. aren't getting ever close to 3:16 at Pikes....nobody is anymore!
You still have to be an idot to think that that 3:16 doesn't stick out like crazy.....and that is relative to EVERYTHING that Matt has ever done.
And I thought I was OCD...sheesh!!
Do you seriously believe you're in the same league as Kilian or Joe Gray?
Avocados Number is 100% not Matt Carpenter. He is a guy that ran in the 80's and 90's and still is out training everyday in Colorado Springs.
I have not seen Matt Carpenter much these days even though it was stated in this thread he still runs every day.
This turned into quite a mud slinging thread and as adults its disappointing to see two grown men living in the same damn state throw insults at each other.
It literally took me less than 30 seconds to identify Avocado's Number by name, after I got curious enough to look. Impressive person, and not Matt Carpenter.
Sage spends so much time in here implying that Matt Carpenter is a cheat or doper based on Matt having a great race. But Sage recently twisted himself in knots to say that what Allie Ostrander did is different from all the other known dopers he consistently attacks and he's fine with her violation because it was only a masking agent.
What a weird dude.
Let's not forget that The Athlete Special takes ashwagandha a known adaptogen and performance enhancer. Those two are sus gray area athletes.
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