Shelby Houlihan runs 4:03 1500

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original liar soorer wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I'm not seeing what surprised you nor what you think USADA got away with.

Are these rules or non-mandatory guidelines?

DCOs can ring the athlete, and this is not a fundamental or material breach of the Code.

I have just re read the IST Testing and can’t see how such are guidelines.

Can you explain why you think they do not have to be followed.

I didn't say the ISTI was a guideline or didn't need to be followed. I said I didn't see what surprised you. This is a request for you to explain yourself. I cannot do that for you.

You said "Still very surprised that USADA got away with such fundamental and material breaches of the WADA Code."

Let's pretend for a moment that you had some specific incident in mind with specific evidence that USADA committed some act, and that that act was a fundamental and material breach of some rule, and that you are able to say which rule that is.

Given that the ISTI permits the DCO to phone the athlete, the only thing that is missing from this scenario that allegedly constitutes a fundamental and material breach is: 1) the act, 2) who committed the act, and 3) which rule is breached.

original liar soorer wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I'm not seeing what surprised you nor what you think USADA got away with.

Are these rules or non-mandatory guidelines?

DCOs can ring the athlete, and this is not a fundamental or material breach of the Code.

I have just re read the IST Testing and can’t see how such are guidelines.

Can you explain why you think they do not have to be followed.

I would like to know.

5.2.d

See Coleman case when he was rung.

Perhaps you could search the IST and explain where it permits to phone the athlete except in exceptional circumstances when dealing with a minor.

original liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Aspirin? You are ridiculous. I have it prescribed daily. For my health. You know nothing about medicines. You just make garbage up.

It is a blood thinner and increases circulation and is a painkiller and aspirin can damage the stomach etc.

And what about the other drugs I have mentioned?

To busy with reading eugenics to think about these I assume.

Going to apologise re aspirin etc?

Comment to 4.8.8.5 (d)

Phone calls are mentioned only twice in the 2021 isti, both under 4.8.8.

One phone call is allowed (but not required) after 55 minutes of waiting, with 5 minutes to go. If the athlete then arrives 6 minutes later --> missed test.

So, calling Coleman seven hours before the test is not allowed.

Calling Simpson during the 60 minutes and then driving 50 - 60 miles to her in the neighboring city is also not allowed, for no one can drive that far in the remaining 5 minutes.

Rekrunner already conceded these points when they came up last time, but trolls gotta troll.

What did AIU say again after the Coleman CAS verdict?

Evidently, USADA should have recorded a lot more missed tests than they did. 

That section is about whereabouts!

Why no response to IST Testing 5.2.d which is defined in the “ Scope “ as mandatory.

What doc are you looking at? With respect.

I am looking at IST Testing.

I do concur with your understanding about phone calls.( and USADA etc)

International Standard for Testing and InvestigationsThe World Anti-Doping Code International Standard for Testing and Investigations is a mandatory International Standard developed as part of the World Anti-Doping Program. It was developed in consultation with Signatories, public authorities, and other relevant stakeholders.The International Standard for Testing was first adopted in 2003 and came into effect in January 2004. It was subsequently amended six times, the first time effective January 2009; the second time effective January 2011; the third time it was renamed International Standard for Testing and Investigations (ISTI), effective January 2015; the fourth time effective January 2017; the fifth time effective March 2019; and the sixth time effective March 2020. A revised version was approved by the WADA Executive Committee at the World Conference on Doping in Sport in Katowice on 7 November 2019 and is effective as of 1 January 2021.

Shelby is a computer science major. Graduated in 2015. Maybe now would be a good time for her to get her grad degree and join the work force. Surely Nike will employ her.

2 THE GILLS!!!

I know the doc , but thanks, it was the 2021 version I looked at;come what may we are agreed that you can’t ring.

I await

Aspirin helps to reduce cholesterol build-up in the arteries. That does not make it a ped or harmful to health. The opposite in fact, you moron. Nor are painkillers peds, per se. But if you think everything that aids performance should be on the banned list you should add shoes, shorts and even training. Overtraining is clearly harmful to health, as well. In your case, you might include reading because it magnifies your madness.

One time EPO use is usually not considered doping . Plus Shelby did some charity work that summer . 

Or a Mrs….

You obviously have not read the docs that come with your drug.Do so before your stomach bleeds.

Nor have you read anything about the other drugs I mentioned.

You have lost the plot of this sub part of the thread in that you asked me what drugs there are that fail the Wada criteria and are not banned.This I have done.

To cover your bad memory you then add insults.

I never said the drugs that I mentioned should be banned. Why do you always invent stuff when exposed.

And your big schoolboy error of the week is that we do ban a large range of shoes.

And once upon a time training and being coached was not acceptable but things change because they are social constructions.

I await your apologies and not insults or will you runaway yet again and again.

This was to Armstronglivs.

Let's end this thread.

Shelby Houlihan - so doped that she literally grew an adam's apple and testicles - ran a time 70-80m behind the real world class women. American runners are worthless on the world stage, and this will continue to be the case.