Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

I said less than 5% of new cars sold will be ICE cars. Old ones will be around for awhile among the wealthy and the hobbyists who want to keep them around.

All this certainly has gotten started. Norway will stop allowing new ICE sales in 2025. Most other nations will follow suit by 2030. This stuff happens fast.

I never said non-EV's wouldn't be allowed on the freeway. I said you won't be allowed to drive yourself on the highway except perhaps in the slow lane. Humans suck at driving so we will insist that computers do it more and more.

It will cost more to own your old ICE vehicle than to hail robotaxis. So it makes sense to get rid of it. Most people will.

There will be fewer cars still operating, but they will run 24/7 except when charging. In some places they won't even need to stop to charge. Chargers can be built into the road and you can charge while moving. This is current technology that will only get better.

Your car sits idle 90% of the time. That's a waste that will not be wasted much longer.

Your article is dead wrong and it was written way back in July. No credible AI expert is saying that now. I could go point by point with your article but I don't have time right now. Maybe tomorrow.

In the mean time, go watch some videos of Tesla's FSD beta testers. It's not full level 5 autonomy. But they are getting very close. And the videos already disprove the main points of the article.

Your article says:

The current state of the art shows quite clearly that none of those things matter except that we do need new regulations before we allow level 5 autonomy to exist. But we don't need new traffic laws. Robotaxis are already better at following the law than humans.

JFC. Can you people *please*

a) learn to delete earlier, nested posts--when you're responding to only the latest one or two; and

b) remember that this thread is about discussing President Biden, and not some interminable no-I'M-right discussion of extraneous topics?

Cripes, y'all are as bad as Flagpole.

Fat hurts wrote:

"Btw, 300 was your number not mine.

Safe 150mph travel is easily doable for robotaxis by 2030.

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That's not what I said at all. I said you would be picked up in the morning at your Atlanta home and dropped off at Dodger stadium in time for the game. Assuming a usual 6:40pm start time, if you are picked up at 6am, you have 15 hours and 40 minutes to get there.

Nope. You said:

"At 250MPH, the trip from ATL to LA takes under 9 hours. So it will pick you up at your Atlanta home in the morning and drop you at Dodger stadium in time for the game."

If you are going to try to engage in a reasonable discussion, at least be honest.

formerly present wrote:

JFC. Can you people *please*

a) learn to delete earlier, nested posts--when you're responding to only the latest one or two; and

b) remember that this thread is about discussing President Biden, and not some interminable no-I'M-right discussion of extraneous topics?

Cripes, y'all are as bad as Flagpole.

I'm beginning to think he is Flagpole.

Marietta Tar Hell wrote:

You did say that non-AVs would not be allowed on freeways by 2030. That's ridiculous.

Fat hurts wrote:

I never said non-EV's wouldn't be allowed on the freeway. I said you won't be allowed to drive yourself on the highway except perhaps in the slow lane.

Nope you said:

"Infrastructure changes would not be needed. Human drivers will not be allowed on the freeway."

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

formerly present wrote:

JFC. Can you people *please*

a) learn to delete earlier, nested posts--when you're responding to only the latest one or two; and

b) remember that this thread is about discussing President Biden, and not some interminable no-I'M-right discussion of extraneous topics?

Cripes, y'all are as bad as Flagpole.

I'm beginning to think he is Flagpole.

Truth is, he IS Flagpole 2.0 Much smarter than the original but with the exact same personality quirk that simply does not allow him to let go.

I hope you did not have to suffer through the Flagpole 1 v Flagpole 2 debate on religion a thousand pages back or so.

Real Obvi wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

I'm beginning to think he is Flagpole.

Truth is, he IS Flagpole 2.0 Much smarter than the original but with the exact same personality quirk that simply does not allow him to let go.

I hope you did not have to suffer through the Flagpole 1 v Flagpole 2 debate on religion a thousand pages back or so.

Um...sorry, but no one here has demonstrated that they are smarter than I am let alone "much" smarter.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Marietta Tar Hell wrote:

You did say that non-AVs would not be allowed on freeways by 2030. That's ridiculous.

Fat hurts wrote:

I never said non-EV's wouldn't be allowed on the freeway. I said you won't be allowed to drive yourself on the highway except perhaps in the slow lane.

Nope you said:

"Infrastructure changes would not be needed. Human drivers will not be allowed on the freeway."

I believe I made it clear that major infrastructure changes would not be needed. As in, you don't need to build new roads or make major changes to existing roads. You might want simple things like extra cameras to accommodate high-speed robotaxis.

And I also made it clear that human drivers might be allowed in the slow lane, at least until all cars are equipped with full autonomy capability.

At some point we would not want human drivers at all on public roads. But that might never happen. After all, we still allow horses on public roads, except on the freeway.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

"Btw, 300 was your number not mine.

Safe 150mph travel is easily doable for robotaxis by 2030.

....

That's not what I said at all. I said you would be picked up in the morning at your Atlanta home and dropped off at Dodger stadium in time for the game. Assuming a usual 6:40pm start time, if you are picked up at 6am, you have 15 hours and 40 minutes to get there.

Nope. You said:

"At 250MPH, the trip from ATL to LA takes under 9 hours. So it will pick you up at your Atlanta home in the morning and drop you at Dodger stadium in time for the game."

If you look back at the thread, you were the one who came up with 250mph. I was merely pointing out that at 250mph it was easily doable.

It's also doable at 150mph or 200mph. Like I said, "it will pick you up at your Atlanta home in the morning and drop you at Dodger stadium in time for the game."

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

If you are going to try to engage in a reasonable discussion, at least be honest.

I was perfectly honest. And I was correct.

I believe you are the one who is being dishonest. You cut off the part of my quote which makes it clear what I was saying about infrastructure changes. Here is the whole quote:

So what I was clearly saying is that there might be some minimal changes to the roads but we can do high-speed robotaxis with existing infrastructure.

Human drivers on the freeway would be required to engage the car's autopilot. Later, I clarified that they might be allowed in the slow lane without autopilot engaged. Obviously, there would be a transition period until most cars have that capability.

biden will be pushing up daisies before ices disappear from common useage

Real Obvi wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

I'm beginning to think he is Flagpole.

Truth is, he IS Flagpole 2.0 Much smarter than the original but with the exact same personality quirk that simply does not allow him to let go.

I hope you did not have to suffer through the Flagpole 1 v Flagpole 2 debate on religion a thousand pages back or so.

Yeah. I'm done with both Flagpole 1.0 and 2.0.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Robotaxis will have a place, but they will not totally displace private ownership. And this complete shift you are dreaming of definietely won't happen in the next 9 years.

You are nuts.

I dream of the day I can just get into one them fancy Robotaxis' and not navigate the miami morning rush. The nonsense I could post on these here forums would be amazing. I don't see how we get there though in as little as 9 years. Like Marietta said the logistics of transitioning away from private car ownership would be an incredible undertaking. Where would all the cars currently on the road go?

#JoeBidenLied trending on Twitter because he’s not getting free stuff to the people fast enough lol

welp wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Robotaxis will have a place, but they will not totally displace private ownership. And this complete shift you are dreaming of definietely won't happen in the next 9 years.

You are nuts.

I dream of the day I can just get into one them fancy Robotaxis' and not navigate the miami morning rush. The nonsense I could post on these here forums would be amazing. I don't see how we get there though in as little as 9 years. Like Marietta said the logistics of transitioning away from private car ownership would be an incredible undertaking. Where would all the cars currently on the road go?

If these things are going be that cheap to rent why wouldn’t I just own one? That way I could use it whenever I wanted and still keep all my sh!te in it? How often are these things going to be cleaned. I hate to be the guy who gets in it after it dropped my sweaty as$ off after a hard ten miler in July. People are going to have sex in these things too.

welp wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Robotaxis will have a place, but they will not totally displace private ownership. And this complete shift you are dreaming of definietely won't happen in the next 9 years.

You are nuts.

I dream of the day I can just get into one them fancy Robotaxis' and not navigate the miami morning rush. The nonsense I could post on these here forums would be amazing. I don't see how we get there though in as little as 9 years.

The day of your dreams may be here within a year or so.

If you live in Phoenix today, you can hail a driverless robotaxi from Waymo. As long as your home and office are both within the service area, you are all set. So if Waymo comes to Miami soon, your dream may become reality.

Tesla's approach does not have a limited service area. Today, you can add "Full self driving (FSD)" to any car as a $10,000 software option. The system will drive you from on ramp to off ramp on the highway. You just have to keep a hand on the wheel to prove you are ready to take over in an emergency. Navigation on city streets is currently limited to a handful of beta testers, but FSD owners will be getting that capability soon.

Last week, Elon Musk made the astounding statement that they would achieve full level 5 autonomy this year. That means by the end of this year a Tesla will not need a steering wheel and it can drive itself anywhere in any conditions.

I'm a little skeptical that they will get to level 5 this year, but I'll be very surprised if they are not there in 2022.