Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

DiscoGary wrote:

Obama's business acumen = never tried

Hillary's business acumen = never tried

Bernie's business acumen = never tried

Is your memory getting bad? You seem to conveniently forget all the Clinton conspiracy theories where she has made millions. Once again, Trump fails.

Who in their right mind would consider electing professional government administrators like Sanders and Clinton to administer government functions? That's crazy talk!!

I love the logic of hiring a horse to run a hospital because horses aren't hospital administrators. John Mulaney's "Horse loose in a hospital" is far funnier than my reference. His last hour on Netflix ends with it.

Flagpole wrote:Trump's crimes are much worse, and he does deserve impeachment and removal...if what I believe will be discovered about him is indeed true. But, as always, I will honor the results of the investigation.

So far, that's campaign finance violations. It's not enough to impeach. I still consider Pence a far bigger threat than Trump.

Gary, since you are a lawyer, is bribing an Attorney General with money and political position to drop a case a crime?

Are you really this big of a fool? Part of me thinks you MUST be trolling. Here's how in so few words you are so wrong:

1) We actually don't know the exact reason they raided his office and home and hotel, so you sure don't.

2) The Southern District of New York isn't looking into the collusion issue, so Russian collusion shouldn't even be a subject of conversation with regard to Cohen at this point.

3) The Cohen investigation, just like the Mueller investigation, is still ongoing, so you can't declare "No Russian collusion" in any context here. That is ridiculous.

4) They released the contents of one tape of 12, and then there are a whole host of other things including tons of documentation and information on electrical devices (phones, computers), and with that you declare "No Russian collusion"? Really? One of the dumbest things ever said on Letsrun.com, and at least one person here has said they like Nickelback.

5) So much damage to the country? You mean the investigation is causing the damage of course. Again, ridiculous. The damage is caused by Trump. The investigations are the medicine that will lead to healing. The investigations will show that the Rule of Law is still valued in America, and Trump's legacy will be a message to the world and to other future Americans who wish to try to run this country as an autocrat that we don't allow that here.

6) Finally, "so little to show for it"? 32 individuals and 3 companies indicted. 5 guilty pleas. One person in jail. Proof that not only did Russia meddle in our election but it did so to help Trump. All of that, if that were the end of it, that would be worth it right there. BUT, more is coming. Trump will not skate.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

If I ever have to talk to a lawyer about some sensitive legal issue, the first question I am going to ask is "The attorney client privilege died with Cohen, so how can I trust you? How do I know you won't use whatever I say against me in the future?"

It wouldn't be a question if you understood there are limits to attorney-client privilege.

I thought you were a lawyer?

It's clear that Gary has never even visited a lawyer.

DiscoGary wrote:

qz wrote:

Good list...next will U.S.A. Gov't = Failed

Lower revenue due to tax cuts, higher gov't payments on the debt interest plus higher gov't spending - this "good economy" is borrowing from the future

Obama's business acumen = never tried

Hillary's business acumen = never tried

Bernie's business acumen = never tried

One way to make you sure you never fail is to never try.

So they never wanted to be business people. That's your slam on them? A laughing stock of a business man is better than someone who never wanted to be a business person? You do know that the business world, especially the New York real estate market, knows that Trump is a hack, right? Did someone have you look at the swinging shiny object when you were at a Trump rally?

DiscoGary wrote:

If I ever have to talk to a lawyer about some sensitive legal issue, the first question I am going to ask is "The attorney client privilege died with Cohen, so how can I trust you? How do I know you won't use whatever I say against me in the future?"

If Cohen were acting as an actual lawyer, instead of Trump's personal bagman facilitating an illicit cash payment in violation of U.S. election laws, you might have a point!

There will be more tapes. There will be more women. There will be more proof of crimes. Sharks in the water.

Flagpole wrote:

6) Finally, "so little to show for it"? 32 individuals and 3 companies indicted. 5 guilty pleas. One person in jail. Proof that not only did Russia meddle in our election but it did so to help Trump. All of that, if that were the end of it, that would be worth it right there. BUT, more is coming. Trump will not skate.

Actually, two are in jail right now:

* Paul Manafort

* Maria Butina

Plus, Alex van der Zwaan was in jail but finished serving his sentence last month.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

6) Finally, "so little to show for it"? 32 individuals and 3 companies indicted. 5 guilty pleas. One person in jail. Proof that not only did Russia meddle in our election but it did so to help Trump. All of that, if that were the end of it, that would be worth it right there. BUT, more is coming. Trump will not skate.

Actually, two are in jail right now:

* Paul Manafort

* Maria Butina

Plus, Alex van der Zwaan was in jail but finished serving his sentence last month.

All true. I thought Butina was discovered as not part of the Mueller investigation though. Perhaps I am wrong about that.

Also, van der Zwaan WAS in jail but isn't now, which is why I said "one" person in jail.

But, I will go with your general tone there to show that this is even bigger than I presented.

Fat hurts wrote:

Unpriviledged wrote:

LOL . . . another weak Trump smoke-screen. He could not waive his attorney-client privilege because the judge in the seized-documents case had determined those tapes did not qualify for that protection. So, Trump saying he waived his privilege is a yuge nothingburger.

You got the facts wrong. The court was in the process of making a determination about the tapes when both Cohen and Trump decided to waive privilege. Look it up.

Indeed.

That would mean that the special master determined that there was probable cause to believe that the communications were made in furtherance of a crime, which is far worse than withdrawing priv assertion. But I promise you Trump did not waive priv “because it’s already out there”

— Daniel S. Goldman (@danielsgoldman) July 23, 2018

Why did Trump waive attorney-client privilege over the recording(s) with Michael Cohen?

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in avenatti, cohen, News, Press Releases, privilege, The Blog, Trump, Uncategorized

CNN reported over the weekend that the two-minute recording of Trump and Cohen discussing the rights to Karen McDougal’s story was made public only because Team Trump allowed it to be. The special master in Cohen’s case in Manhattan had withheld the recording from prosecutors on grounds of attorney-client privilege. Trump, the client, told her not to bother and to hand it over to the U.S. Attorney. That’s when Rudy Giuliani started talking about it.

Why would he do that? Even Team Cohen was confused by it, per CNN: “Team Cohen remains surprised that Trump’s lawyers removed the protective claim of privilege, given their view that the tape is harmful to the President.”

One obvious reason is that it’s good PR *if* Giuliani’s right that there’s nothing incriminating on it. (Which he may well be.) It’s embarrassing that Trump was caught talking about McDougal but in the end the question is whether any laws were broken. If he has an opportunity to show the world that he has nothing to hide on that front, why not show them by waiving the privilege?

Many a smart litigator is offering another reason for waiving it, though.

/5 it’s possible that the USAO would use it here too. Especially if the tapes are not particularly bad for Trump, the better PR move may be to let them go rather than picking a privilege fight that could lead to a judicial ruling that he went to Cohen for crime or fraud.

— WouldOrWouldn'tHat (@Popehat) July 23, 2018

That would mean that the special master determined that there was probable cause to believe that the communications were made in furtherance of a crime, which is far worse than withdrawing priv assertion. But I promise you Trump did not waive priv “because it’s already out there”

— Daniel S. Goldman (@danielsgoldman) July 23, 2018

I can think of no good legal reason for the Trump team not to assert privilege over these tapes. Their strategy, such as it is, must involve the optics of being associated with Cohen or with arguing with the DOJ over the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege.

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 23, 2018

Game it out yourself. If Trump tries to keep the tape from the U.S. Attorney by asserting the privilege, imagine the headlines if the DOJ turns around and files a motion demanding that it should receive the tape anyway because it contains evidence that a crime or fraud was committed by the president and his lawyer. That’s one of the exceptions to attorney-client privilege: For obvious reasons, you can’t shield your conversations with your lawyer if the two of you were engaged in a criminal conspiracy. If the DOJ did that, the 100-point headlines blaring that “JUSTICE DEP’T SUSPECTS TRUMP OF CRIME OR FRAUD” would be a PR nightmare to end all nightmares for POTUS. And there’d be no way of completely “winning” on it no matter how the court ruled on the DOJ’s motion. If the court agreed that there’s reason to believe a crime or fraud was committed, obviously that’s an even bigger PR nightmare.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

If I ever have to talk to a lawyer about some sensitive legal issue, the first question I am going to ask is "The attorney client privilege died with Cohen, so how can I trust you? How do I know you won't use whatever I say against me in the future?"

If Cohen were acting as an actual lawyer, instead of Trump's personal bagman facilitating an illicit cash payment in violation of U.S. election laws, you might have a point!

There will be more tapes. There will be more women. There will be more proof of crimes. Sharks in the water.

Sharks are in the water and in the air...it's a Sharknado coming after Trump...and deservedly so.

DiscoGary wrote:

If I ever have to talk to a lawyer about some sensitive legal issue, the first question I am going to ask is "The attorney client privilege died with Cohen, so how can I trust you?.

Gary's potential Lawyer: Attorney-client privilege is alive and well. But, Gary, if you committed a crime Attorney-client privilege does not apply, and I cannot be your attorney.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote: There will be more proof of crimes. Sharks in the water.

Judge lets emoluments lawsuit against Trump move ahead

If this one doesn't die, it will get interesting.

In New York State, it is not a criminal offense for a party to a telephone conversation to record that conversation without the other party's consent, because the recording party is “a sender or receiver” of the telephonic communication. N.Y. Penal Law § 250.00(1). Trump should already know that. I thought he had a big brain. Any attorney knows that when you have an unethical lying snake as a client, you document everything. Given Trump’s history, I can understand why he felt the need to tape him.

Democrats lose again!!!!!

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

The Gallant Pig Man wrote: There will be more proof of crimes. Sharks in the water.

Judge lets emoluments lawsuit against Trump move ahead

If this one doesn't die, it will get interesting.

Like I have said, LOTS of people coming after Trump, and it's not because he's anti-establishment or because Republicans are victims or Democrats can do anything they want or any of that sh!t. It's because he is a criminal on so many different levels that it is unreal.

All of us Americans should not stand for this kind of cozying up to Putin and other dictators and verbally attacking our allies. Just absolutely insane that you Trumpers support this buffoon. I predict now that Ronald Reagan will rise from the dead dressed all in stars and stripes and give all of you Trumpers a nice butt-kicking before having some Jelly Bellys and leaving on a horse.

Flagpole wrote:

All true. I thought Butina was discovered as not part of the Mueller investigation though. Perhaps I am wrong about that.

I'm not totally clear on that point either. I know Mueller's team is not handling the prosecution. But either way, it's part of the FBI's Russia counterintelligence investigation.

hey, republicans like to throw kids in cages, AND they like to severely f up kids' financial futures!

Vote GOP! Kids are evil anyway.

Tax revenues plummeting as a result of GOP tax handouts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/business/trump-corporate-tax-cut-deficit.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

from the NYT article:

we are so f'd.

From January to June, corporate tax receipts were nearly $50 billion behind — or down by close to a third — where they were a year ago.

“If we hadn’t changed our tax system,” said Kimberly A. Clausing, an economics professor at Reed College in Portland, Ore., who studies business taxation, “you would be expecting rising revenues.”

Corporate collections are running 20 percent below initial forecasts from the Congressional Budget Office and 10 percent below predictions from the Penn Wharton Budget Model, a nonpartisan research initiative that forecast large deficits as a result of the tax law.

agip wrote:

from the NYT article:

we are so f'd.

From January to June, corporate tax receipts were nearly $50 billion behind — or down by close to a third — where they were a year ago.

“If we hadn’t changed our tax system,” said Kimberly A. Clausing, an economics professor at Reed College in Portland, Ore., who studies business taxation, “you would be expecting rising revenues.”

Corporate collections are running 20 percent below initial forecasts from the Congressional Budget Office and 10 percent below predictions from the Penn Wharton Budget Model, a nonpartisan research initiative that forecast large deficits as a result of the tax law.

Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!