bluemt95 wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/KFj0DHere you all guy. I'm sure you can figure out which one is me.
RYinvestigator wrote:Just use
http://www.imgur.comVery easy.
Why is Ian Thorpe in the picture?
bluemt95 wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/KFj0DHere you all guy. I'm sure you can figure out which one is me.
RYinvestigator wrote:Just use
http://www.imgur.comVery easy.
Why is Ian Thorpe in the picture?
rojo wrote:
DMulvee wrote:The data has been uploaded from his watch to his TomTom sports account. No one needs to touch the watches.
Get someone there with a video (from a phone) to log into his TomTom account (he has already uploaded the data) click on the suspect sections one by one. This will then bring up a map showing where he ran, his splits (if he has auto-miles turned on) and his cadence.
This is all that needs doing. You don't need to fly a Strava employee out there or touch his watch.
Thanks for explaining it. I still thing having a Strava employee fly out would help.
So he's got proof he ran but won't share it? He's either an amazing PR man (hold it until the end) or an utter fraud.
One last tech question, do you think the TomTom data would make it clear ot everyone one way or the other as to whether he cheated or not?
If he has automiles on then yes this will prove it. Remember every quote and race talks of him going out at a crazy pace and slowing up. When we see 30+ mile sections (with ascents) at sub 7:00 min/miling if he started at 6'30 pace, and finished at 7'00 then it is possible that he was the worst pacer in the world (in normal races) and he is a lot better than his pbs.
His cadence is automatically logged (you cannot turn it off) if we see a cadence of 160 on the slower sections, and then 0 on the ridiculously long and quick ones then we know he was in an RV.
He needs to show the mile splits and the cadence to help convince the doubters (and we can then see the route he took). The cadence is definitely there and this might prove he cheated.
As of 8:59AM PT (12:00PM ET) on 6/14/16:
107 miles from Indy, 832 from Times Square.
56.15 mpd required to achieve record.
On pace for 62.2 miles today but some more, steeper hills today. The 50-100-150 foot variety but still take their toll. He will most likely slow down this afternoon. Still would like to see more Letsrun boots in the ground.
354 hours remaining.
I wouldn't pay any money for his watch data. Reward the guy if he cheated? The truth about this event is going to come fully to light anyway.
Also, someone mentioned that Rob himself claims he made some mistakes in the last leg, probably hot dogging a couple of 6 minute miles and running further than he is capable of sustaining, but less than he has documented previously.
Still the dude is pretty amazing. Even if he isn't ultra-Laz certified or very fast, I wouldn't knock what he is actually capable of on the endurance side. Wouldn't pay him a dime for it either though, and there's the catch.
Seems like he is not a quitter. We'll see.
You need to put the crayons down and let an adult proof read your next post.
Ha ha! Thanks for the laugh! You made my day!
runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:
Vanessa and robert (shacky) her husband are in on it. Lots of links between these people. Get a pencil and follow along and get ready to have your mind blown by the level of grifter and mentally ill you're about to read, which is a small portion of the story.
Vanessa and Shacky are in on this scam. As are the 2 american charities which are fake charities. The "Race Across The Usa" RY "won" last year is put on by one of the fake anerican charities he is now "running for".
The American charities are run by RY's pals. He claims he is running for charity. People donate to the "charities" which are actually RY's pals. The money "for the children" goes to RY's pals, the y split the money "for the children".
Anerican charity 1: 100 mile club. Run by kara lubin. Who put on the "Race Across The USA" last year that RY conveniently won. It is possible that is when this current scam was hatched. .......
Do you have any validation of this?
runbikeswimrunsomemore wrote:
Vanessa and robert (shacky) her husband are in on it. Lots of links between these people. Get a pencil and follow along and get ready to have your mind blown by the level of grifter and mentally ill you're about to read, which is a small portion of the story.
Vanessa and Shacky are in on this scam. As are the 2 american charities which are fake charities. The "Race Across The Usa" RY "won" last year is put on by one of the fake anerican charities he is now "running for".
The American charities are run by RY's pals. He claims he is running for charity. People donate to the "charities" which are actually RY's pals. The money "for the children" goes to RY's pals, the y split the money "for the children".
Anerican charity 1: 100 mile club. Run by kara lubin. Who put on the "Race Across The USA" last year that RY conveniently won. It is possible that is when this current scam was hatched. Fake charity. It is "to bring awareness of childhood obesity and get kids to move at least 100 miles per year." (For the children)! Their founder is 50 lbs overweight making people "aware" of childhood obesity as she uses donations not needed to encourage kids to move that doesn't require money to fly around the country and selfie. The excuse for her using funds for her living expenses and luxury travel to try to ingratiate herself to people she perceives as the run community is she needs to set up new chapters of the "club". A few others involved in this fake are Vanessa and Shacky who gave up their non jobs for years to "crew" the "Race Across The Usa" runners last year. Vanessa is a successful author. So much so that she sets up go fund me accounts for gas money during the fake "Race across the Usa" (for the children)! Others part of this fake, the aforementioned by others Alex Ramsey, Jup Brown, (he needs your money for a go fund me for a flight home after taking time off his not having a job and doing the fake "Race Across the Usa" last year for the fake 100 mile club charity for the children! last year), and Patrick Sweeny among others.
Fake American charity 2 on this one scam. Tyler Robinson Foundation. The same charity Lisa Smith Batchen (mentally ill and has paid her bills her whole life by scams such as the fake badwater quad she never ran among others), was going to do her transcon for this year "for the children"! Until she got caught on her transcon a less than a week in. Oops, I mean had a "medical emergency." So brave. Here's some more reality for you: Lisa originally claimed she was doing her (fake), transcon this year for a legitimate charity, except they didn't know she was using their name. She gave interviews they were partners. They had no idea. That is the level of crazy here. She was setting up a website using their logo but directing to external donation site (her, even though that legitimate charity has huge legal and legitimate full time dedicated fundraising departments). The legitimate charity got tipped off. Ready for more crazy? Lisa went into panic mode and flew unannounced to their headquarters across the country sure she could manipulate them into letting her use their name. She'd already given interviews they were partners. They gave her a tour and got her out of there. They told her no. She continued to try to use their name even after that, (people in the usa are well aware of her mental illness, faked runs, she needed a charity to try to legitimize her fake transcon). Legitimate charity stopped her, after she kept trying to attach her name to theirs well after they her no. At that point she started her posts about "God testing her" on her facebook page (run the nation with lisa smith batchen), soon after, (because they wouldn't let her use a fake run with no gps and no tracking of donation dollars going to her under her name and once they figured out her mental illness that is "God testing her"). Enter Lisa's high school pal jimmy place of chicago who fancies himself quite a media mogul with his production company no one legitimate has ever heard of who volunteers for "tyler robinson foundation" to get them to let Lisa use their name (the new cause she is "passionate about" in days), to try to make her transcon look legitimate. She got caught in less than a week on the road. Now RY's biggest supporter until yesterday when she tried to put some distance, (no we aren't affiliated so we can set up our next scam).
Lots of other grifters and other fake charities as a smokescreen tied to the same core group of people. This is how these people make a living (and destroy the sport). Also, quite possible vanessa couldn't keep up with a hobby jogger even on a bike, she is a larger lady.
If you really want to derail the scamming, this will have more teeth than suspect times in the desert. of course, this should be rewritten into something coherent.
Get What You Pay For wrote:
rojo wrote:He said they mainly track him by driving ahead and waiting for him but also at times hide guys on the side so it's not predictable.
Anyway, on to the key issue. I pressed him about the watch/GPS data as in my mind proving he runs/walks from here on out proves nothing. Why don't we get the GPS/watch data which would show cadence? SYnc the tom tom to Strava if you aren't hiding anything. To me the only reason you wouldn't be doing taht as it happens is if you are hiding something..
Laz said he most definitely wants no part of the GPS data as he doesn't want to be accused of messing it up. He said if he was Rob he probably wouldn't hand it over either. I was like, "That makes no sense. If I had nothing to hide, i'd be publishing the data live."
This is seriously the best person we could come up with?
They don't even ride with or behind him? You've got to be kidding.
They are advising RY not to give over the GPS data.
SMH
"We" - You're just another depressed basement recluse hunkered down for mom's next meal.
Tell us more of how you would do things if you got back on your meds and could get out of the house.
113 wrote:
doubler wrote:Here is a stretch from his data that shows 30.58 miles in 1 hour.
Mapping it out, it is actually 69 miles on the road. (The tracker calculates a straight line point to point).
Estimated driving time is 59 minutes. It took Rob 1 hour to run this stretch.
http://imgur.com/a/K9z5dYes, this is the Mojave desert breakdown day. At this point, I don't blame anyone for not being able to keep track of every single thing in the thread.
The great part about this, doubler, is that even though they claim the tracker was on the RV and not on Rob, the blog claims that RY beat them to Laughlin!
So that leaves three clear possibilities:
1. The blogger is knowingly lying and RY rode with them to Laughlin.
2. The blogger is telling the truth about RY beating them to Laughlin, because RY hitchhiked without their knowledge.
3. The blogger is knowingly lying about RY beating them to Laughlin just to exaggerate how awesome he is. However, even if it's just an exaggeration, there's no way RY could have been sitting by the pool in Laughlin when there photo shows him there (the photo's time info can be found on exif.)
It actually doesn't.
From the blog:
"Alvin turned up within a half an hour in his shiny new pick-up. He soon got us out of there and we were very lucky, by all accounts. If we’d been in a Chevy, by all accounts, we’d never have gotten out. Ford RV’s are ‘strong as shit’ apparently. Rob had called on the mobile since and told us to meet him in Laughlin. Once we’d gotten out we headed out to the 95 and to Laughlin. A shortish drive through the early morning heat took us to Nevada and the town of Laughlin. Goodbye California. One state down, 13 more to go. We’re making progress.
In Laughlin when Rob turned up and we met at the Riverside RV park, his lips were parched and he was tired but in good spirits. Apparently he had scrambled off road again, through the desert, over a big hill. I wish we’d been there to see it but we were just glad he had made it, as he always does. The tracker, in response to a couple of queries on social media, had remained in the RV during our separation, which it does much of the time. It’s purpose is for folk to see where we are at, at any given time, not to measure speed, mileage or performance – that’s what the GPS watch is for."
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/2016/05/21/day-3-5-a-pick-up-for-a-hiccup/- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
So if you read this, what he actually says is to meet him in Laughlin, and then he eventually "turns up" - which at least implies that they got to Laughlin before him.
Bottom line: without him wearing a GPS watch, there is no way to prove or disprove what he ran that day.
it just gets better wrote:
rojo wrote:He said they mainly track him by driving ahead and waiting for him but also at times hide guys on the side so it's not predictable.
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This made me spit out my coffee. I love how ridiculous this whole thing is. They get a team of guys to go down there and watch him, but they don't even watch him, instead they would rather drive ahead and wait? Priceless. When driving slowly is too much work over just sitting, you can't make this stuff up.
I'm guessing you have neither participated-in, nor organised the logistics for a multi-day event on open roads.
You cannot have a caravan of vehicles putzing along the highway impeding traffic, it is both less safe and elevates tensions with the {impatient} motorists and local authorities.
It is much safer to simply drive to a vantage point ahead of the runner - wait for them to pass and move to the end of your line of sight, then rinse and repeat.
The van was definitely putzing along impeding traffic an hour ago. There's a hatch in the back where he walks behind the moving van to get in to change shirts and I presume for nutrition and drinks. While I stopped and talked to him and Laz for 5 minutes or so, the van was stopped right in the lane of traffic on Rt. 40. Now, granted, we are pretty much in the middle of nowhere, but the speed limit is 55 mph and vehicles had to safely pull around into oncoming traffic to get by. No one seemed bothered by this arrangement.
Natty Dread wrote:
it just gets better wrote:This made me spit out my coffee. I love how ridiculous this whole thing is. They get a team of guys to go down there and watch him, but they don't even watch him, instead they would rather drive ahead and wait? Priceless. When driving slowly is too much work over just sitting, you can't make this stuff up.
I'm guessing you have neither participated-in, nor organised the logistics for a multi-day event on open roads.
You cannot have a caravan of vehicles putzing along the highway impeding traffic, it is both less safe and elevates tensions with the {impatient} motorists and local authorities.
It is much safer to simply drive to a vantage point ahead of the runner - wait for them to pass and move to the end of your line of sight, then rinse and repeat.
LRC to the Rescue. wrote:
Seems like he is not a quitter. We'll see.
Because, basically, he has already "won" no matter what. If he blows up, "I gave it my best but those accusations hurt and having people stalk me was too much". If he finishes after the record "I overcame great adversity and finished". If he gets the record "Look at me for being amazing".
When it comes to running, Guinness is nondeterministic in its application of rules. Don't count on it being over just because he doesn't want to give letsrun chowderheads his data. He doesn't have to do that. Actually, for his likely desires, he'd probably be silly to do that. So he will ignore it. He apparently has what Guinness wants. Plus the money. Thing to know about Guinness is that they like to be paid. You pay them and things happen.
And as has been noted, aside from fame, there's the fortune aspect. Without an eyeball on him riding in the van, there is no eyewitness of cheating. It'll look hinky forever, but if letsrun is seriously going to play the fraud card against the charity, that is harder than just being pissed off on an old timey message board.
What this stuff can do is seriously curtail the influx of new devotees to Robert Mandela Christ, Inc.
Also MAYBE put a little extra fear or thoughtfulness for the next huckster who wants to make fast money off something like this.
Had to google Ian Thorpe. :/ They do look similar.
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi wrote:
bluemt95 wrote:http://imgur.com/a/KFj0DHere you all guy. I'm sure you can figure out which one is me.
Why is Ian Thorpe in the picture?
First day posting here?
turrible wrote:
This is, by far, the worst structured forum I've ever read.
Ok guys...I was up all night watching the Big East Junior Varsity Summer Classic, so bear with me...I have a couple questions.
1. What exactly is a "GPS" watch? What is it made of? What does it do?
2. What is the name of the man trying to beat the record? This seems like important information.
3. What continent is he attempting to cross?
4. If we had video of him driving the van thru the entire state of New Mexico, would that be incriminating?
5. I really feel like we should fly someone in.
Ok thanks guys.
PS, I just got off the phone with Robert. He said the whole thing is a sham for publicity & beer money. What do you think this means? More research is needed....
rojo wrote:
DMulvee wrote:The data has been uploaded from his watch to his TomTom sports account. No one needs to touch the watches.
Get someone there with a video (from a phone) to log into his TomTom account (he has already uploaded the data) click on the suspect sections one by one. This will then bring up a map showing where he ran, his splits (if he has auto-miles turned on) and his cadence.
This is all that needs doing. You don't need to fly a Strava employee out there or touch his watch.
Thanks for explaining it. I still thing having a Strava employee fly out would help.
So he's got proof he ran but won't share it? He's either an amazing PR man (hold it until the end) or an utter fraud.
One last tech question, do you think the TomTom data would make it clear ot everyone one way or the other as to whether he cheated or not?
Strava is going to laugh at your request. They are a software company. They aren't going to fly an employee out to a moving RV to upload data for you, whether it's your dime or theirs.
Your best bet is to raise this to TomTom UK and to Guiness and tell them that the proof of cheating or legitimacy in this WR attempt resides on their servers but is not being made public for unknown reasons. And that you have lots of data that is indicative that cheating is the more likely scenario. TomTom UK may enable a look at the data that RY has uploaded but since hidden or deleted (there is no such thing as deleted as surely you know)
i chose D2 wrote:
[quote]rojo wrote:
Watch experts, I need your help. I just got an email from someone here it is.
Fly DC Rainmaker in from Paris. He is a neutral third party who can be trusted to make sure the data is transferred properly without being tampered with. And the best part is that when he sees the data he can expose Rob in his blog, which is likely read by many of Rob's disciples.
+1
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/contact"The pedestrian is not caring a flashlight. The pedestrian is carrying a cellphone."
"He was trying to get a signal so he could upload data."
Good one! I love the comedy around here!
