Lets just end the heel strike debate right now.

Fell Runner wrote:

OK, how much force is lightly ? Have we got numbers on this for a range of the elites quoted in this thread? Really until we have this you are just pulling assertions from thin air.

You are wrong. They are pulling assertions from out of their asses.

Really??? wrote:

Defination of Heel Strike for all wondering:

The stage in gait at which the heel of the foot or shoe first makes contact with the walking surface.

That's not my definition. It's that PLUS the foot strike occurring significantly in front of the runner's center of gravity....typically evidenced by a stride rate under 180.

try running barefoot...your heal doesnt touch the ground...maybe all these high tech shoes are teaching us bad form from a young age. as far as im concerned God made us to run a certain way and we excercise that way when we run barefoot (forefoot-no heel strike)...the worse thing American runners do is over analyze everything all the time...listen to your body and run!

The notion that sneakers are 'high tech' is one of the silliest things I've ever heard of.

malmo wrote:

The notion that sneakers are 'high tech' is one of the silliest things I've ever heard of.

Also, if barefoot running is so great, you have to wonder why all those shoeless Africans get a pair of sneakers as soon as they get some money.

"the flat part of the foot = mid-foot strike."

In 28 years of podiatry, this is the first I ever heard that the midfoot is the "flat part of the foot". I'll try to remember that while treating people from now on. All my books are wrong. I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

...And yet the less people know, the more they argue.

A Skeptic wrote:

malmo wrote:

The notion that sneakers are 'high tech' is one of the silliest things I've ever heard of.

Also, if barefoot running is so great, you have to wonder why all those shoeless Africans get a pair of sneakers as soon as they get some money.

come one now malmo...140 dollars for shoes...thats hightech...stability shoes, over and under pronation...shoes are studied and tested therefore they ARE hightech...dont deny it

and why must we follow every little thing Africans do...maybe they are just better genetically (which they are)....maybe its from all the generations of barefoot running? ...just maybe, huh?

So why do they ruin this barefoot perfection with shoes ? Seems like shooting themselves in the errr . . . foot.

granddaddypurp wrote:

A Skeptic wrote:

Also, if barefoot running is so great, you have to wonder why all those shoeless Africans get a pair of sneakers as soon as they get some money.

come one now malmo...140 dollars for shoes...thats hightech...stability shoes, over and under pronation...shoes are studied and tested therefore they ARE hightech...dont deny it

and why must we follow every little thing Africans do...maybe they are just better genetically (which they are)....maybe its from all the generations of barefoot running? ...just maybe, huh?

1) I don't wear shoes because the Africans do. I actually like running barefoot and do it from time to time, but I don't want to do all my runs on the infield of the local high school track, and one needs a pair of shoes to pound around asphalt America.

2) My parents are probably the first generation of the A Skeptic family to have shoes consistently during their life.

3) Do you think that glasses make your eyes weak?

skwilli wrote:

"the flat part of the foot = mid-foot strike."

In 28 years of podiatry, this is the first I ever heard that the midfoot is the "flat part of the foot". I'll try to remember that while treating people from now on. All my books are wrong. I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

...And yet the less people know, the more they argue.

Let me clarify for you. It is impossible to land with the mid part of your foot (the arch). You can land with your heel, you can land on your toes, or you can land with the entire bottom of your foot...flat (what they "call" mid-foot).

Malmo, what part of the sole of your shoe showed the most wear?

try running barefoot...your heal doesnt touch the ground...maybe all these high tech shoes are teaching us bad form from a young age. as far as im concerned God made us to run a certain way and we excercise that way when we run barefoot (forefoot-no heel strike)...the worse thing American runners do is over analyze everything all the time...listen to your body and run!

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Yes it does..I always run barefoot all the time on the Treadmill and it does hit the ground. I have pretty much the exact same form I have on with my shoes as I have on without my shoes..

Really??? wrote:

I'm wondering...

Is it possible for you guys to be wrong? I could be wrong, but I guess it's impossible for you to be wrong so I am certainly wrong. Heel striking clearly has the EXACT same results as Forefoot striking except with Forefoot striking you can quicken your turnover. I wonder just why Forefoot striking is better with that thought in mind?

Do you have proof that Forefoot striking can quicken your turnover and that it is better?

gallagher wrote:Please don't respond to my posts if you have nothing to offer other than the above tripe. Hostile, badly concocted insults are just an admission that you have nothing of value to say. You have in effect conceded the point. Is it lost on you that your response is, to use your word, moronic and sophomoric? Are you a high school sophomore of thereabouts? If not, more's the pity.

Please do a little experiment for me and then report back.

The next time you are in a pub or attending a cookout, when an adult male engages you in a discussion and disagrees politely with you, promptly call him a moron.

Folks like you usually behave that way only behind the safety of your keyboard.

Aww, did I hurt your feelings? Does that mean we won't be going for a Sunday run together in February to look at footprints in the snow?

silly old fossil wrote:

skwilli wrote:

"the flat part of the foot = mid-foot strike."

In 28 years of podiatry, this is the first I ever heard that the midfoot is the "flat part of the foot". I'll try to remember that while treating people from now on. All my books are wrong. I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

...And yet the less people know, the more they argue.

Let me clarify for you. It is impossible to land with the mid part of your foot (the arch). You can land with your heel, you can land on your toes, or you can land with the entire bottom of your foot...flat (what they "call" mid-foot).

So, landing flat footed is now called landing mid foot? Wow, stretching a bit here guys!

biggus dickus wrote:

Really??? wrote:

Defination of Heel Strike for all wondering:

The stage in gait at which the heel of the foot or shoe first makes contact with the walking surface.

That's not my definition. It's that PLUS the foot strike occurring significantly in front of the runner's center of gravity....typically evidenced by a stride rate under 180.

What are you talking about?

granddaddypurp wrote:

try running barefoot...your heal doesnt touch the ground...maybe all these high tech shoes are teaching us bad form from a young age. as far as im concerned God made us to run a certain way and we excercise that way when we run barefoot (forefoot-no heel strike)...the worse thing American runners do is over analyze everything all the time...listen to your body and run!

This is exactly what your minimalist cult is doing, over analyzing things. Don't worry about how your foot lands, just run and your body will figure it out.

granddaddypurp wrote:and why must we follow every little thing Africans do...maybe they are just better genetically (which they are)....maybe its from all the generations of barefoot running? ...just maybe, huh?

I love the irony here. When Africans run without shoes it's used as support by the mimimalist cult. When they run with shoes, it can't be used against them. Unbelievable!

HHH wrote:

silly old fossil wrote:

Let me clarify for you. It is impossible to land with the mid part of your foot (the arch). You can land with your heel, you can land on your toes, or you can land with the entire bottom of your foot...flat (what they "call" mid-foot).

So, landing flat footed is now called landing mid foot? Wow, stretching a bit here guys!

So why don't you describe landing mid-foot for us, HHH.