Unless he get tripped or injured, based on his last 2 starts, I can't see any in the field beating Myers out of a 1500/5k double. Interest for me; in the 1500 Hoare (last start 3:35), Spencer with his fine track smarts and McSweyn (can he come back to anything like previous form). 5k, What can Myers run, is Hoare looking to move up, can McDonald keep improving and will O'Donnell go out hard again.
Coach Mottram need to start poaching more athletes!
He's learnt a lot with his time with Nic and follows the same model. Wait for another coach to develop the athlete, use one of your current athletes to message the athlete and ask if they'd be interested in an OAC contract (behind the current coaches back), then pay overs to bolster the teams status and hide the declining results of the athletes already on the books.
Given Hollingsworth contract is up in the coming months, it would be prudent of her management group to go out to the market and see what value she can attract. If not, they are failing her and her career. Surely they can see that she is keeping the ship afloat at the moment.
Reminds me of what my old mate Frans was doing back in the day when he was employed at Melbourne University.
Unless he get tripped or injured, based on his last 2 starts, I can't see any in the field beating Myers out of a 1500/5k double. Interest for me; in the 1500 Hoare (last start 3:35), Spencer with his fine track smarts and McSweyn (can he come back to anything like previous form). 5k, What can Myers run, is Hoare looking to move up, can McDonald keep improving and will O'Donnell go out hard again.
You might be right on Myers in the 5k - now that I think about it, he outkicked Seth O'Donnell at the 10k XC trials a 3ish months ago, his first race after Tokyo Worlds (I think). If Seth leads for most of the way, Myers can hang on and outkick him. If Seth tries to sit and kick, unlikely he can outkick a 3.29 1500 guy. Sadly I don't see Hoare coming anywhere near the win in the 1500 either.
Hoare maybe 3rd in the 15 on a good day and hopefully i'm wrong, but can't disagree that his salad days have passed I think. In the 5k he's well behind McDonald. Having said that I'd like to think that McDonald can break 13:30 but more likely high 13:30's, depending on how the race pans out tactically. Myers in the 5k is pretty interesting. If O'Donnell goes from the gun and the weather co operates it could be an opportunity to go fast - Myers did run 3:30 in what was a more or less a time trial.
Haha. I do wonder if Claudia realises that she carries the entire OAC team and Craig Mottram's coaching career on her shoulders. Craig's lucky that two of his male runners are steeplers because I think in a way it shields them from criticism for pretty poor performances. Ed Trippas with 8:05/8:13 3ks to start the season, Jesse Hunt with 3:47/7:58 after a 3:46 season's best last year. Are these really up to standard for professional athletes?
Whilst it’s a funny clip that IRP trot out every now and again, I do think the clip of Mottram crashing out on Crokes for asking about his coaching philosophy has aged pretty badly given how poorly his team is doing.
Gives off an old school football coach mentality “4-4-2, put the ball in their goal and stop it going in ours” type vibe. Feels like his training philosophy is old school “run hard and have big b@lls”
If that is true, then he doesn't sound too different to Ritz, coach of the OAC US based team.
Hoare maybe 3rd in the 15 on a good day and hopefully i'm wrong, but can't disagree that his salad days have passed I think. In the 5k he's well behind McDonald. Having said that I'd like to think that McDonald can break 13:30 but more likely high 13:30's, depending on how the race pans out tactically. Myers in the 5k is pretty interesting. If O'Donnell goes from the gun and the weather co operates it could be an opportunity to go fast - Myers did run 3:30 in what was a more or less a time trial.
Myers should win an Australian 5K pretty easily without Ky Robinson in the race. Only thing stopping him is probably fatigue from 1500m rounds / inexperience doubling. A sign of his intentions for future global champs, as he isn't a Nader/Hocker/Kerr/Wightman type of 1500m racer, which seems to be the winning formula recently. Therefore, having the 5K up his sleeve makes sense.
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I think Myers has said he has been working on his kick and being more of a Nader/Hocker/Wightman type of runner, while still sticking to some of the more Jakob style of training which has obviously worked pretty well.
Only big thing he's yet to prove is an ability to run 1500m rounds and double, since he only did the 1500m heats at Tokyo and didn't do World Indoors. Wonder if that's part of his motivation for doing the 1500m/5k double in Sydney?
Haha. I do wonder if Claudia realises that she carries the entire OAC team and Craig Mottram's coaching career on her shoulders. Craig's lucky that two of his male runners are steeplers because I think in a way it shields them from criticism for pretty poor performances. Ed Trippas with 8:05/8:13 3ks to start the season, Jesse Hunt with 3:47/7:58 after a 3:46 season's best last year. Are these really up to standard for professional athletes?
Whilst it’s a funny clip that IRP trot out every now and again, I do think the clip of Mottram crashing out on Crokes for asking about his coaching philosophy has aged pretty badly given how poorly his team is doing.
Gives off an old school football coach mentality “4-4-2, put the ball in their goal and stop it going in ours” type vibe. Feels like his training philosophy is old school “run hard and have big b@lls”
Which definitely worked back in the day, but something I that I don't think Mottram gets is most of the athletes in OAC Oceania (particularly the men) came from NCAA teams where they were close to a professional running environment with coaches who were probably more experienced than him and more methodical in their coaching philosophy.
I remember listening to one of the podcasts Craig did on Runnez during covid and he talking about a junior camp he did and he said that the first thing he got the kids to do was take off their GPS watches and put them in a bucket. When the parents asked what was going on, he said that he only wanted them to run the session based on feeling, not the data. Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it's something a lot of runners should do more in their training, but I think it's represenative of Craig's mindset when it comes to coaching. I do agree he gives of the old school footy coach vibe. He's trying to be Mick Malthouse in an era where everyone's demanding Chris Scott.
How many athletes have been part of Melbourne track club?
And how many have ever won a medal at any level above nationals?
Jess Hull has more medals than every MTC athlete combined.
All he needs is Claudia to win a medal and he's a successful coach.
Not sure what Jess has to do with it, in fact I'm not sure what you're saying at all to be honest. This isn't a MTC vs OAC thing lmao. Craig himself won a global medal when he was under NB.
Listening to Brett’s recap of his 10k at the Sound Running meet and I was honestly shocked at how unprofessional his whole trip was. Fair play to Joel (for once) for calling Brett out and highlighting a bunch of things that could’ve negatively impacted his performance. Especially when Brett “had no idea” why it went bad.
Listening to Brett’s recap of his 10k at the Sound Running meet and I was honestly shocked at how unprofessional his whole trip was. Fair play to Joel (for once) for calling Brett out and highlighting a bunch of things that could’ve negatively impacted his performance. Especially when Brett “had no idea” why it went bad.
Can you give us a summary? I can't handle listening to ftk...
E.g was it Brett the team around him who caused problems?
Listening to Brett’s recap of his 10k at the Sound Running meet and I was honestly shocked at how unprofessional his whole trip was. Fair play to Joel (for once) for calling Brett out and highlighting a bunch of things that could’ve negatively impacted his performance. Especially when Brett “had no idea” why it went bad.
Can you give us a summary? I can't handle listening to ftk...
E.g was it Brett the team around him who caused problems?
- Booked the wrong hotel.
- didn’t try to get on the time zone so was sleeping and running at weird times (waking up at 11am and running at 1pm etc).
- did a hard workout Saturday, 90min run Sunday, 8x1k Monday and then flew to America on Tuesday and raced on the Saturday.
- I personally feel like flying out to California on the Tuesday before a Saturday race was too close to the race but I’ll also admit that I’ve never flown Aus to California so I might be completely wrong.
Look I might be nitpicking massively but I feel like if you’re trying to run a 10k as fast as you can then these little details really matter. I ran at a decent level in the NCAA and now coach at a small uni in America. We were more organized than Brett and my athletes now are more organized even tho they’re 19-20 year old amateur athletes.
Can you give us a summary? I can't handle listening to ftk...
E.g was it Brett the team around him who caused problems?
- Booked the wrong hotel.
- didn’t try to get on the time zone so was sleeping and running at weird times (waking up at 11am and running at 1pm etc).
- did a hard workout Saturday, 90min run Sunday, 8x1k Monday and then flew to America on Tuesday and raced on the Saturday.
- I personally feel like flying out to California on the Tuesday before a Saturday race was too close to the race but I’ll also admit that I’ve never flown Aus to California so I might be completely wrong.
Look I might be nitpicking massively but I feel like if you’re trying to run a 10k as fast as you can then these little details really matter. I ran at a decent level in the NCAA and now coach at a small uni in America. We were more organized than Brett and my athletes now are more organized even tho they’re 19-20 year old amateur athletes.
This is on brand for MTC - it's not Brett specific. Izzi has done the same thing
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