Cheat-shoes have ruined the sport. PEDs were already rampant. But no, we needed something equivalent but legal. Queue cheat-shoes. Now everyone is special. Basically the equivalent of pro baseball allowing composite bats and then everyone wondering how all the records got demolished. This is the current state of running.
Cheat-shoes have ruined the sport. PEDs were already rampant. But no, we needed something equivalent but legal. Queue cheat-shoes. Now everyone is special. Basically the equivalent of pro baseball allowing composite bats and then everyone wondering how all the records got demolished. This is the current state of running.
What we saw is equivalent of breaking 2 for women. Carbon spring shoes, tall male rabbit pacers breaking the wind. The women's only WR was just set in berliyat 2:16. Would be interesting to see these 2 go head to head. Have to question why they didn't run Olympics this year
Cheat-shoes have ruined the sport. PEDs were already rampant. But no, we needed something equivalent but legal. Queue cheat-shoes. Now everyone is special. Basically the equivalent of pro baseball allowing composite bats and then everyone wondering how all the records got demolished. This is the current state of running.
The companies are very happy
Indeed. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I'll share it anyway: In some ways, I think fans and the media are complicit. We obsess over records and attempts to break them. Whether it's a Diamond League meet or a World Marathon Major, much of the conversation beforehand is about what times will be run and if a record will be broken. If the records are what fans and the media mostly talk about, then the natural response from shoe companies and athletes is to do *whatever it takes* to run faster. That's one of the reasons I'm grateful for Michael Johnson's Grand Slam Track league. Although I don't like the forced doubling, I'm glad there will be a league where the focus is on competition, not on time. That's what the sport needs, along with more and better drug testing.
Let’s get real. If she’s on something, which is very possible, it’s the same stuff everyone’s on. She doesn’t have a staff of medicinal chemists producing compounds unknown to the pharmaceutical industry.
She could just be a super responder to said compounds or she's willing to take more risks in taking it just prior to, or in competitions. It could be methods that pose serious health risks and certain athletes are willing to take those risks. They could be wildly expensive too.
How is it that in an era where cyclists are producing outrageous numbers, one guy is making the rest of the peloton look like juniors. Either we're looking at multiple generational talents never seen before, or some athletes have found a way to gain an advantage over others who also are probably doping.
It's all just speculation, but a handful of athletes across multiple sports are in a completely different league than the rest of the sport.
The one guy started with barely any testing, the best known blood doping doctor in the world, and a low hematocrit, making him a "super responder". Also, not just some epo sprinkles, but several other substances.
Nobody knows (?), how many whereabouts she missed or how many tests she has had.
What we saw is equivalent of breaking 2 for women. Carbon spring shoes, tall male rabbit pacers breaking the wind. The women's only WR was just set in berliyat 2:16. Would be interesting to see these 2 go head to head. Have to question why they didn't run Olympics this year
Yes, and? You think it took me longer than watching the race / reading page 1 to agree with that?
You’re very much mistaken. Clean athletes still managed to win the 1980s when the situation with drugs was especially bleak and it’s a far better state today.
You don't know they were clean. Was Kratochvilova clean? Or Flojo? Ben Johnson? Nor do you know that doping is in a "better state" today. I'm sure it is - but not the way you meant. It will be immeasurably more sophisticated - and ahead of antidoping.
I know who’s trustworthy and who is not.
It is incredibly more difficult to use drugs than it was decades ago. That’s why Valerie Adams, the best women’s shot putter the world has ever known, is equal 183rd on the all time list.
When Paula set the world record in 2003, she was 9:13 slower than the men's record at the time.
When Ruth set the world record this weekend, she was 9:21 slower than the men's world record.
This race was no more suspect than Paula's run.
Not 100% sure what your point is
My point is that she is "breaking the marathon" no more than it has been in the past. I'm not surprised women are closer to men based on % at longer distances than shorter distances.
You don't know they were clean. Was Kratochvilova clean? Or Flojo? Ben Johnson? Nor do you know that doping is in a "better state" today. I'm sure it is - but not the way you meant. It will be immeasurably more sophisticated - and ahead of antidoping.
I know who’s trustworthy and who is not.
It is incredibly more difficult to use drugs than it was decades ago. That’s why Valerie Adams, the best women’s shot putter the world has ever known, is equal 183rd on the all time list.
Look at pro cycling: the dopers of yesterday are running the sport now. Convicted dopers are welcomed back under the guise of reformed anti-doping evangelists and dirty trade teams are often rebranded by the corporations when the dirt gets too thick.
Paid cover-ups at the top level of Athletics viz. President of World Athletics, Lamine Diack was indicted for covering up positives - Coe was already knee-deep in Nike money (while supposedly investigating NOP) and was also serving as Diack's deputy. Coe stated he was absolutely oblivious to Diack's drug-coverrups yet Coe is considered to be his worthy replacement, and a future President of the IOC despite sitting right next to doping fraudsters and not even realising it.
Ergo, it has never been easier to get away with doping because of one:
- The presiding authorities are too stupid to find wrongdoing
- The presiding authorities are complicit in the wrongdoing
I’ve always held the view that the athletes should be considered clean until they are found unequivocally to have doped and to try and sort out the cheaters from the honest ones is impossible and plays into our biases. That being said, I’ve struggled since yesterday with this result. Rather than being thrilled, I’m sort of depressed. To witness one of the greatest performances ever, maybe the greatest, and to come away depressed. What a bummer.
She is now as fast as Bill Rodgers and faster than Frank Shorter.
Come on. Not possible clean.
It's like a woman running the 100m as fast as Carl Lewis.
This is bad for the sport
Bill Rodger’s and Frank Shorter born 1947, yep I’m sure they trained 100’s miles per week in cushioned plated supershoes and had two pacers to get him round, had heart rate, lactate and Pace notifications through their training, just saying
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