Holy cow. I think she can break the 1500m American record right now. She looked smooth from start to finish.
Amazing as 1:56.5 and 2:31.8 are, they don't begin to suggest 3:55 shape. They don't really indicate that she is in the sub 4:00 shape she was in last year.
Are you saying that all of the 3:55 and faster women this year can break the world record in the 800? why don't they run it? 1:56 got silver. Are they stupid?
Holy cow. I think she can break the 1500m American record right now. She looked smooth from start to finish.
Amazing as 1:56.5 and 2:31.8 are, they don't begin to suggest 3:55 shape. They don't really indicate that she is in the sub 4:00 shape she was in last year.
For an 800m/1500m type, 1:56.5 is plenty quick enough to break 4:00 for 1500m.
To give just one example, Laura Muir is 1:56.73 and 3:53.37,
Calling out cheating is not being a hater. And here is the thing. The athletes themselves have no voice. They cannot call out doping. So someone has to do it for them. IMHO this started all the back in high school, which is crazy. This is a sport where you can fake to to make it, where chemicals will allow you to become world class. You just have to have will and not care about your reputation. It then becomes a matter of simply not being caught. The issue with this particular case is that it is brazen, so that it becomes obnoxious and impossible to ignore.
I would be interested to see how much the AIU tested her leading up to the Olympics.
Are you saying that all of the 3:55 and faster women this year can break the world record in the 800? why don't they run it? 1:56 got silver. Are they stupid?
That's not how it works. Not all 1:56.5 runners can run 3:55. Not all 2:31 1K runners can even run 3:55 (see Regina Jacobs).
Amazing as 1:56.5 and 2:31.8 are, they don't begin to suggest 3:55 shape. They don't really indicate that she is in the sub 4:00 shape she was in last year.
For an 800m/1500m type, 1:56.5 is plenty quick enough to break 4:00 for 1500m.
To give just one example, Laura Muir is 1:56.73 and 3:53.37,
Agree. To clarify, I said that the times don't *indicate* that she can run faster at 1500 than she did last year. She may be able to. Certainly people who are relatively better at 1500 than 800 or 1000 can do it. But it's not a given. And nothing Wiley has done to this point suggests that she is better at 1500 than 800.
Ah the old "only the less talented athletes dope" mixed with the baseless notion that not testing positive=clean, which we all know is nonsense. The testing is not effective enough and certain nations go beyond mere neglect in looking the other way. The idea that you think Hassn is more like clean than dirty is silly.
Anyway, look at the all-time 800 times and tell us what you see. It is probably the dirtest record in the sport and the top ten is a freak show.
Btw, Tiger Woods did not win more than anyone else.
A runner who is tested 50x a year is far more likely to be clean than a runner who is tested 5x a year. Tiger Woods didn't win the most majors, but he has won as many tour events as anyone in history. And he did it in far shorter time span than any other golfer.
And this website reports positive doping results for many runners who many of us have never heard of. It is rare when a big name gets busted. And yes, I think Hassan is clean. And you have no proof she isn't.
Sure. How many times were Armstrong and Jones and Houlihan, etc tested again? Rasmussen was tested endlessly for a decade and did everything short of horse tranquilizer and never tested positive, and that goes for scores of cyclists. Only in that sport the lid came off. Increased testing should indicate increased suspicion. But at best it is a mitigation tool unless someone is utterly reckless like Chemusto.
Yes it is relatively rare when a big name gets busted. Why? Bc the testing is innately inadequate, and simply cannot detect microsdosing and tactful epo use. Coupled with corruption, with certain countries that give a green light to doping and with certain athletes deemed too big to fail. Btw, go back to the old "who is Lauren Johnson" threads and let us know if you think she was clean?
If you think Hassan can triple naturally, you are nuts.
How many times has she even been tested, esp now post-Olympic trials? And how many OOC tests? My guess is she is now outside the AIU crosshairs.
And recall that Houlihan, who was absolutely targeted by the AIU, passed something like 80 tests before her luck ran out. Microdosing and epo and you will never catch it. What happens instead is what the AIU did to the Chinese, target them aggressively pre-Olympics so that the problem is at least mitigated. But now the window is open again.
She is most likely on the unpublished and unofficial watch list and is tested quite frequently. She has also had a few retests. Retests are when you are tested and then tested again within a short period. Besides her associations which date back to when she was a junior, the track and field community (actual competitors) don't consider her dirty or even suspect. (Her name does not come up in those circles.) Elite athletes don't waste time focusing on athletes who are not winning global championship medals, making national teams or even a substantial amount of money, because those are the reason's why you dope. Athletes dope to win medals and to earn money (period). From what I know, Wiley's doping associations stem from her associations at age 19 and 20. It is highly-highly unusual for highly touted American high school middle distance runner to start doping 2 years later as college athlete. As someone who has been around the sport for many decades, I find it hard to suspect someone of doping who is tested frequently, competes frequently and is not running eye popping times.
Well in that case. Sorry if I do not take your word for it. Not that the testing will catch anyone with any doping experience, but how frequently has she been tested and retested? And not what is most likely. Also seniors and hobby joggers dope. High school athletes dope. People dope to win, to break records and dope for financial incentives such as contracts. Saying if you have not won an elite medal, you are beyond suspicion is just sily. Not reality. And there is plenty of incentive in this case.
Her assiciaton to NJ and LJ goes back to her freshman year of high school. And it was her 1600 out of nowhere as a high school senior that put her on the map. So you are poorly informed. And her progression has been more than eyepopping enough. Not sure if this is naivity or sheer denial.
Seems like you normally accuse the faster runners. I agree with you that slow runners dope too. And high school runners dope because they are not tested. The most suspicious would be an elite high school runner who continues through college but then tanks after going pro. Wiley has made big jumps after routine testing started.
I like the sport and hate cheaters, especially the clumsy ones. Don't dope in high school and college, have a little respect for the sport, and I will barely comment. This athlete could have chosen a lower profile. Instead we have brazenness and a laughable pr campaign. OK. As long a they do not catch you, I guess it pays off.
You jest. Most likely cheater would be muscle bound female high school runner dominating followed by great high school career, then sucking as a pro after testing started. But you won't accuse anyone like that.
I like the sport and hate cheaters, especially the clumsy ones. Don't dope in high school and college, have a little respect for the sport, and I will barely comment. This athlete could have chosen a lower profile. Instead we have brazenness and a laughable pr campaign. OK. As long a they do not catch you, I guess it pays off.
I wholeheartedly agree. If you want to dope as a pro, then go for it. We’ll still call ‘em out when they go overboard. But if you are in HS or college and brazenly doing it (usually with help from adults) and stealing records and scholarships, that’s sacred territory and you deserve maximum roasting.
She is most likely on the unpublished and unofficial watch list and is tested quite frequently.
LOL. Who is testing her? The college? Not good enough for the AIU, and USADA? Hahaha. USADA tested her, in- and out-of-competition combined, once in 2022, twice in 2023, and five times in 2024. That is the same USADA who couldn't catch Houlihan with 15 - 20 tests per year (or who did and covered it up).
Are you saying that all of the 3:55 and faster women this year can break the world record in the 800? why don't they run it? 1:56 got silver. Are they stupid?