Not the best advertisement for LMNT and coach Ari. Biggest takeaway which she failed to mention is that you don’t sign up for PPA on one weeks notice and if you’ve never run over 10k feet you don’t know what your body will feel like.
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For anybody who cares, Allie put up her race recap. It seems like she legit put no thought into the race before showing up. Like she seems baffled by the idea that running up a 14er might hurt.
Not the best advertisement for LMNT and coach Ari. Biggest takeaway which she failed to mention is that you don’t sign up for PPA on one weeks notice and if you’ve never run over 10k feet you don’t know what your body will feel like.
Not the best advertisement for LMNT and coach Ari. Biggest takeaway which she failed to mention is that you don’t sign up for PPA on one weeks notice and if you’ve never run over 10k feet you don’t know what your body will feel like.
For anybody who cares, Allie put up her race recap. It seems like she legit put no thought into the race before showing up. Like she seems baffled by the idea that running up a 14er might hurt.
She actually didn't do that bad for a first time. I have seen WAY bigger blow ups from road runners who show up thinking they are going to crush it.
Not the best advertisement for LMNT and coach Ari. Biggest takeaway which she failed to mention is that you don’t sign up for PPA on one weeks notice and if you’ve never run over 10k feet you don’t know what your body will feel like.
Plenty of places to cut the course, especially the old days when fewer people were around, also, down hill would be easier than you think 🤔. Personally I believe he cut the course, then all the pieces add up and the story (record) makes sense 😉
For decades, I would have been the last person I'd have expected to be defending him. I thought he got way too much attention in various media and had a cult-like following that seemed silly. But on this message board, the opposite seems true. His accomplishments in the tiny world of mountain running and high-altitude racing, which to me seemed entirely reasonable for someone with his level of talent and focus, started getting challenged as illegitimate by people who apparently just aren't particularly talented or accomplished, even within that little world. That annoyed me, to the point of speaking out about it. But it's really not about defending the legitimacy of Matt's accomplishments, about which there is no serious doubt among knowledgeable observers. It's probably more about the toxic ways that some people deal with their own failures or limitations. I tend to see less of that toxicity among people who are more comfortable about what they've done in their own lives.
Okay (assuming you are not actually Matt!).
The way I see it is that Matt's biggest career accomplishment (by far and biggest outlier) is that 3:16 Pikes Peak Marathon Record.
Yes, he still has the Leadville 100 record (Rob Krar pretty much equaled that already though) and he also won Pikes (both the marathon and ascent) a ton.....much like a Scott Jurek streak at Western States.
But other than that?
A 1:05 half marathon PR (pretty much inline with his marathon PR and similar to SJD!)
A 2:19:xx + marathon PR (still very good)
A 2:40 showing at Sierre-Zinal (not bad)
A 59:xx time at the iconic MT. WA hill climb.
A lot of wins at some fairly "small" and niche mountain races (especially back then) like the Vail Hill Climb, Imogene Pass, Barr Trail Race etc. Not to take anything away from those races and wins, but it's not like what it would be like to win UTMB or the World Mountain Running Champs, or Sierre-Zinal or Zegama nowadays or something.
I think he demonstrated more versatility than you give him credit for by winning the Northface Challenge at age 44, beating Uli Steidl (2:13 marathon), Skaggs, Roes, and a bunch of guys a lot younger than him.
I am complete outsider, I don't know a lot about this race or the people being discussed but I just have to say that I think its pretty pathetic how people are attacking Sage. It honestly seems to me that Sage has brought up some very relevant data points and idk maybe that just makes some old timers uncomfortable because they idolize this guy. Its actually pretty sad and pathetic.
Sage never attacked the guy or made any unreasonable or offensive remarks. You guys are acting like babies about this. So what if he thinks theres something off about that CR?
You are just pretending to be a total outsider.
If something was off about Matt Carpenter's CR than talk about it and not dancing around that topic. Basically Sage Canaday is accusing Matt Carpenter of cheating in 2005 without providing any evidence. Not sure how he will come up with that evidence 18 years later.
Sage lied already about his Marathon PR, I no longer believe anything he says.
Your fixation that Sage “lied” about his 2:16 is pathetic. Yes, it was run at Boston, but it’s a legit race that most would consider a PB if they ran one there. In fact, I remember Ryan Hall stating that he will always be a 2:04 marathoner after his 2011 run at Boston
Not the best advertisement for LMNT and coach Ari. Biggest takeaway which she failed to mention is that you don’t sign up for PPA on one weeks notice and if you’ve never run over 10k feet you don’t know what your body will feel like.
In her Q&A video from February she announced she had lined up the US Mountain Running Champs(April 30th), Broken Arrow, Dolomyths, Sierre Zinal(August 12th) and maybe the Pikes Peak Ascent+Mamooth double-header in her calendar. She obviously couldn't run the first 4 because of the 4-month ban covered them, so after that happening she was always going for the last 2.
She also was injured for some weeks iirc, so not an easy buildup at all.
If something was off about Matt Carpenter's CR than talk about it and not dancing around that topic. Basically Sage Canaday is accusing Matt Carpenter of cheating in 2005 without providing any evidence. Not sure how he will come up with that evidence 18 years later.
Sage lied already about his Marathon PR, I no longer believe anything he says.
Your fixation that Sage “lied” about his 2:16 is pathetic. Yes, it was run at Boston, but it’s a legit race that most would consider a PB if they ran one there. In fact, I remember Ryan Hall stating that he will always be a 2:04 marathoner after his 2011 run at Boston
Yes, Sage is a 2:16 marathoner, and Ryan Hall is a 2:04 marathoner, the same way Mike Boit is a 3:28 miler.
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If something was off about Matt Carpenter's CR than talk about it and not dancing around that topic. Basically Sage Canaday is accusing Matt Carpenter of cheating in 2005 without providing any evidence. Not sure how he will come up with that evidence 18 years later.
Sage lied already about his Marathon PR, I no longer believe anything he says.
Your fixation that Sage “lied” about his 2:16 is pathetic. Yes, it was run at Boston, but it’s a legit race that most would consider a PB if they ran one there. In fact, I remember Ryan Hall stating that he will always be a 2:04 marathoner after his 2011 run at Boston
I appreciate your support...but I'm going to Fact Check you guys here because I'm a stickler for facts.
1. "absolute cream of human fitness" we were talking about Matt's 1993 run at Pikes (not some 2005 record).
2. "BOPA" thanks! I actually ran my 2:16:52 at the 2011 Rock n' Roll San Diego Marathon (not Boston).
It is point to point (hence why not World Athletics cert for official World Records etc).
HOWEVER, it was an Olympic Trials Qualifying performance for the 2012 US Olympic Marathon Trials.
Much like guys that run an OTQ on a course like CIM or Grandmas or Boston.
So if you can't count a USATF certified marathon run on a course that gets you an Olympic Trials Marathon Qualifier as your marathon time/PR then you're technically dismissing a heck of a lot of people (or anyone that ran a marathon time on a course like CIM, Grandmas, Boston or Rock n' Roll San Diego etc).
This will be my last post on this thread. I think the most interesting thing I learned on this thread is discovering that "Avocado's Number" might actually be Matt Carpenter. Thanks for the entertainment and for indulging me!
I appreciate your support...but I'm going to Fact Check you guys here because I'm a stickler for facts.
1. "absolute cream of human fitness" we were talking about Matt's 1993 run at Pikes (not some 2005 record).
2. "BOPA" thanks! I actually ran my 2:16:52 at the 2011 Rock n' Roll San Diego Marathon (not Boston).
It is point to point (hence why not World Athletics cert for official World Records etc).
HOWEVER, it was an Olympic Trials Qualifying performance for the 2012 US Olympic Marathon Trials.
Much like guys that run an OTQ on a course like CIM or Grandmas or Boston.
So if you can't count a USATF certified marathon run on a course that gets you an Olympic Trials Marathon Qualifier as your marathon time/PR then you're technically dismissing a heck of a lot of people (or anyone that ran a marathon time on a course like CIM, Grandmas, Boston or Rock n' Roll San Diego etc).
This will be my last post on this thread. I think the most interesting thing I learned on this thread is discovering that "Avocado's Number" might actually be Matt Carpenter. Thanks for the entertainment and for indulging me!
And I learned that Hoka sponsored athletes can make baseless accusations 30 years later.
Avocados Number is 100% not Matt Carpenter. He is a guy that ran in the 80's and 90's and still is out training everyday in Colorado Springs.
I have not seen Matt Carpenter much these days even though it was stated in this thread he still runs every day.
This turned into quite a mud slinging thread and as adults its disappointing to see two grown men living in the same damn state throw insults at each other.
I don't think Sage posts much BS about running subjects but when it comes to diet, the BS runs strong with him. His quasi-religious zealotry about being vegan is obnoxious and dangerous for lots of runners. He apparently thinks that by preaching the same nonsense over and over he's going to win some converts to his veganism cult. Not likely.
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