Coming from the man with over a 1000 different user names - to avoid being banned - that's rich.
Avoiding the clear substance of a post … yet again.
There are hundreds of examles for this - if he can't answer (because he just don't understand the point at all or because an answer would question his point of view) he changes the subject.
Think what you want to think - I don't really care.
The bottom line is that distance runners continue to use & get caught for EPO. Nothing has changed in over 30 yrs when the blood-boosting drug made it's way to athletics in the early 1990's.
And not only distance runners but some sprinters have been known to use it as well. And not only athletics, but cycling, triathlon, cross-country skiing, swimming & even rowing. No endurance sport is immune to it - where there's professional endurance athletes competing you'll find EPO (imagine that).
Despite much improve testing for EPO & the implementation of the ABP - athletes continue to use it. And despite the penalty for a conviction going from 2 yrs in the 2000's to 4 yrs for a first offense - athletes continue to use it.
You'd think if EPO wasn't efficacious & didn't provide any benefit to elite endurance athletes - they would have realized that over the last 30 yrs & EPO would have become obsolete & buried into the "non-effective" drug grave.
But instead athletes continue to use it & as long as professional endurance athletes exist, they'll continue to use it indefinitely.
So what are these available drugs that Wada has yet to identify?
An Al Jazeera report on doping said that at any one time there are at least a hundred substances athletes will be able to use that drug testers cannot identify because they are masked. But being the complete moron you are, you ask to identify drugs that experts say cannot be identified.
You clearly have not the faintest idea of the principles of mass spectrometry.Why on earth do you post on stuff you just don’t grasp in the most tiny of detail?
You fail to grasp that there is a difference between drugs that are unknown and drugs that can’t yet be identified.So the athletes must know what they are otherwise they would not be using them… so name them?
What are these masking agents; name one that is not on the banned and list and also not detectable?
What is the process of masking?
Some time ago: after 20 requests: you had to admit that you were incapable of providing any reference to “ an Al Jazerra report “.
Why perpetuate your made up fiction when you had been exposed before?
Name a masking agent not on the banned list.
What is the process of masking?
Can the intellectual fraud stop avoiding questions.
They athletes and those involved in doping will know what is available to them while the antidoping officials don't. That is why the drugs are undetected by antidoping - the point iterated in the Al Jazeera documentary. It is also why the drugs are used - it isn't only because they enhance performance but that those using them won't be caught. According to experts who spoke to Al Jazeera, the 'black market' in doping is estimated to be in the region of over a billion dollars world-wide.
I understand that one as brain-dead as you are knows none of this.
No ref to the TV program so that it can be checked.
Do you really think that that Wada will not be trawling the internet with even greater intensity than athletes to find out what drugs are on the market? And remember Wada liaises with Interpol.
Any reference to a billion dollar industry was in relation to all PED drugs ie gym use and not just Wada restricted athletes ; you have been told this but still perpetuate the lie.
The billion dollar figure was in relation to the "black market" for drugs - in other words banned or illegal sports drugs. You have no idea about any of this.
You fail to grasp that there is a difference between drugs that are unknown and drugs that can’t yet be identified.So the athletes must know what they are otherwise they would not be using them… so name them?
What are these masking agents; name one that is not on the banned and list and also not detectable?
What is the process of masking?
Some time ago: after 20 requests: you had to admit that you were incapable of providing any reference to “ an Al Jazerra report “.
Why perpetuate your made up fiction when you had been exposed before?
Name a masking agent not on the banned list.
What is the process of masking?
Can the intellectual fraud stop avoiding questions.
WADA has known of masking since the Marion Jones, Barry Bonds era over twenty years ago. Someone needs to wake you up.
It is more telling that you don't understand why doping is found in every sport but you say has no apparent benefits for Kenyan distance runners.
I understand it is found in every sport because of widespread belief.
If anything, I said EPO apparently caused very little progress in non-Africans over nearly three decades, and that Kenyans benefit naturally from EPO stimulation by living at altitude.
It is found in every sport because of results, not "belief", you moron.
You cherry-pick quotes from athletes to present a false picture of their arguments, but most of all you say the countless athletes, coaches, trainers and physicians involved in doping are all kidding themselves that doping enhances performance - oh, sorry - Kenyan distance runners' performances.
You are like a religious nut-job who still thinks the world was created only a few thousand years ago.
Quite frankly, whatever Canseco and Armstrong have to say is irrelevant to the sport of elite distance running.
You talk again about countless athletes, coaches, trainers and physicians, but what are they saying exactly about their knowledge and experience? I don't hear them talking -- just you. I'm not saying that they are kidding themselves, but saying that you are not kidding me with your hearsay. The only thing their "involvement in doping" tells me is that they lack confidence in their ability to coach and train in a clean way. They should train at altitude.
If your goal is to show the link between doping and elite distance running performance, you need to step up your game. Stop looking to baseball and cycling.
You think those involved in doping should be coming forward to discuss what they do? You know there are penalties for doping? Christ, you're thick. Yet we do have anecdotal accounts from some convicted dopers about what doping did for them - and it was no mere "belief". The hardest thing for a denialist like you to understand is the widespread use of drugs in every kind of competitive activity for decades speaks for itself. Doping would have vanished if it didn't do what those who use it seek from it. That would absolutely be the case in distance running, yet we see that the sport has been infected with doping for over a half a century - altitude-trained athletes included amongst the worst offenders.
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No ref to the TV program so that it can be checked.
Do you really think that that Wada will not be trawling the internet with even greater intensity than athletes to find out what drugs are on the market? And remember Wada liaises with Interpol.
Any reference to a billion dollar industry was in relation to all PED drugs ie gym use and not just Wada restricted athletes ; you have been told this but still perpetuate the lie.
The billion dollar figure was in relation to the "black market" for drugs - in other words banned or illegal sports drugs. You have no idea about any of this.
Wrong again and you had previously admitted this ; why to you lie…. yet again.
No ref to the TV program so that it can be checked.
Do you really think that that Wada will not be trawling the internet with even greater intensity than athletes to find out what drugs are on the market? And remember Wada liaises with Interpol.
Any reference to a billion dollar industry was in relation to all PED drugs ie gym use and not just Wada restricted athletes ; you have been told this but still perpetuate the lie.
He doesn't remember.
"The Endless Chase".
The "at least a hundred substances" (sic) was a quote from a sports-editor.
The "billion dollars" (sic) "black market" came from an unnamed narrator with no attribution or explanation.
It's not clear if these figures actually come from "experts".
No ref to the TV program so that it can be checked.
Do you really think that that Wada will not be trawling the internet with even greater intensity than athletes to find out what drugs are on the market? And remember Wada liaises with Interpol.
Any reference to a billion dollar industry was in relation to all PED drugs ie gym use and not just Wada restricted athletes ; you have been told this but still perpetuate the lie.
He doesn't remember.
"The Endless Chase".
The "at least a hundred substances" (sic) was a quote from a sports-editor.
The "billion dollars" (sic) "black market" came from an unnamed narrator with no attribution or explanation.
It's not clear if these figures actually come from "experts".
Armstrong’s expert …. an oxymoron if ever there was one.
No ref to the TV program so that it can be checked.
Do you really think that that Wada will not be trawling the internet with even greater intensity than athletes to find out what drugs are on the market? And remember Wada liaises with Interpol.
Any reference to a billion dollar industry was in relation to all PED drugs ie gym use and not just Wada restricted athletes ; you have been told this but still perpetuate the lie.
He doesn't remember.
"The Endless Chase".
The "at least a hundred substances" (sic) was a quote from a sports-editor.
The "billion dollars" (sic) "black market" came from an unnamed narrator with no attribution or explanation.
It's not clear if these figures actually come from "experts".
Armstrong knows all this but it does not suit his prejudices so he is content to just lie repeatedly.
You think those involved in doping should be coming forward to discuss what they do? You know there are penalties for doping? Christ, you're thick. Yet we do have anecdotal accounts from some convicted dopers about what doping did for them - and it was no mere "belief". The hardest thing for a denialist like you to understand is the widespread use of drugs in every kind of competitive activity for decades speaks for itself. Doping would have vanished if it didn't do what those who use it seek from it. That would absolutely be the case in distance running, yet we see that the sport has been infected with doping for over a half a century - altitude-trained athletes included amongst the worst offenders.
Apparently that's what you think, because you keep asking me to listen to them. One of them came forward to discuss what he did with ESPN and said "steroids are overrated".
Apparently that is hard for you to understand and accept, because you are a denier, and a gullible pathological believer.
Doping will not vanish because sometimes it works, e.g. steroids for women in events requiring muscular strength.
And doping will not vanish as long as the science is inconclusive, and as long as the "experts" do not come forward and discuss what they do, and belief and hope remain alive.
What I do know is that -- regardless of the collective beliefs of ignorant fans, athletes, coaches, agents, managers, husbands, chemists, doctors, etc. -- assumptions of high prevalence, and high effect for elite athletes, are incompatible with the reality of the low quantity and low quality of elite non-African EPO-era performances for nearly three decades.
This ^^^^ was your bold statement. Word for word. Several posters have asked you what assumptions you are actually using to come to that strange and unique conclusion. Yet you always distract and distort. And yes, it is off topic, but your favorite statement which however you then don't want to defend.
Doping will not vanish because sometimes it works, e.g. steroids for women in events requiring muscular strength.
C'mon...rekrunner - you're being intellectually dishonest (again).
Sergei IIjoukov, Univ of Helsinki, an anti-doping expert, completed that study on the Russian women mid-d & distance runners reference their performances pre & post ABP bans & sanctions.
His conclusions were "blood doping could improve running times by 1 to 4 percent, depending on the distance but on average 2 to 3 percent."
The purpose of this research was to evaluate the performances of female middle- and long-distance runners before and after the implementation of a new antidoping strategy (the Athlete Biological Passport [ABP]) in a country a...
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