Oddly enough, I believe the origin of running coaches in the late 1800s and early 1900s were originally the masseuses of the professional "pedestrians" to keep them running.
These days - I have no idea why any coach would massage an athlete bar perhaps helping stretch out a calf cramp on the track in public with lots of people around.
Doubtful, masseuses are female.
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HavaSyn wrote:
Bettingfool wrote:
It's already been said by many but here it goes, there is zero reason for him massage the athletes.
Athletes get massages often.
Yes, they do, but by someone that is trained to give massages, numbnuts!
You’re very dense.
salazar is selfresponsible for what happened because he was training females. idiots get what they deserve
Peach Pit wrote:
Bio Domerr wrote:
allegedly
I don't know if it's fair to call it an allegation when he's been convicted of it.
This.
Someone asked me yesterday why I trust the NYT? Are you serious? I lean very far to the left politically & can't stand how they cover certain topics from the middle. They are one of the few news sources left that have high standards on work like this. Just because my opinions don't align with them doesn't mean they're not doing things right. Some of ya'll posit yourselves as "free thinkers." It's actually really sad. A news organization with high standard exposed your boy after he was already found guilty by SafeSport & lost his appeal. Move on & stop trying to create doubt where there is none.
Kudos to the reporting & the woman for coming forward. You would never guess it based on reading this thread but that act, alone, might have prevented him from harming another young woman.
I'm not sure why the matter of police and arrest has not come up for Alberto, as what he is accused of doing is Rape correct? Is is a Statue of limitations issue or the victim does not what to press criminal charges and deal with possibly revealing her (or I guess his) identity?
svoinwe wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
I'm sure this will offend a lot of people, but when were these allegations proven?
Alberto denied but the evidence was enough for safe sport to hand down a ban. I know Safesport is a bit rinky-dink but they wouldn't just hand out a ban on a they said they said situation.
So the answer: we don't know if or when they were proven.
This place gets goofier by the day and largely because of a bunch of Q nutters, middle aged fan boys, and self-styled RIGHTS! contrarians. Salazar could have shot someone dead in front of a high def CCTV camera and feasted on their eyeballs while waving at said camera and a significant number of LRC regulars would deny it happened (Dude! Video can be deep faked soooo easily!!!), claim that it was a false flag (A Salazar look-a-like committed the murder/cannibalism to make him and Nike look bad!!!), or would go down some conspiracy rabbit hole (Goucher is a fourth cousin by marriage thrice removed of the Rothchilds and it is well known that they have hated Salazar since he was an infant. They used their secret ownership of the NYT and Safe Sport to bring him down! Study it out!!!). Even worse, some of you would excuse any crime because "he's a great coach that gets results!".
Les wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
How do you know they wouldn't do that? That's probably exactly what the situation is.
Do you need to see the test results for you to believe an athlete banned by WADA for using PEDs used PEDs? Those are not made public either. The matters handled by SS are private, very personal matters. What don't you understand about that? You think victims of sexual abuse by coaches want their affairs made public?
But there is an IST for the lab results and one for the Document Package and the panel contains someone to evaluate it all and the defence can challenge such. So one might have a quite a lot of confidence in the evidence.
There would be no reason the defence could not publish the lab results.
Al Sal is a creep and he will get what he deserves wrote:
HavaSyn wrote:
Athletes get massages often.
Yes, they do, but by someone that is trained to give massages, numbnuts!
You’re very dense.
So you admit that there is a reason for Salazar to give massages to athletes, but you are just concluding that Salazar, in particular, isn't smart enough to figure out how to give a massage, because it's such a highly skilled operation that requires significant training. Indeed, anyone who isn't "trained to give massages" would NEVER attempt such a sophisticated maneuver - that just has never happened in the history of mankind giving massages to others.
The LRC lynch mob is full of self-styled numbnuts, its seems.
going to reiterate a point I made earlier in the boards.
We have to learn something from all of this.
Alberto Salazar was once the most admired figure in US distance running. His "cutting edge" techniques were revered. He was looked at with great reverence because he was a legend who was returning to his roots to save US distance running from itself. We let him into a high school. We let him get his teeth into a teenager. He immersed himself into the kid's family, life, religious values and every being--some would call a lot of what he did grooming--and then controlled his every move going forward.
He was physically, psychologically, and sexually abusive, and he was that way for years. We ignored all the signs. When other kids went to be coached by him we marveled and oooohed and ahhhhed.
We defended him when SEVERAL people who worked around him and ran for him brought up credible allegations of abusing prescription drugs. We defended him when Mary Cain, once a teenage darling brimming with potential, now a washed up 23 year old, accused him of psychological abuse. We turned our backs on several other athletes AYB, Kara who said they were psychologically abused too and all the witnesses, Cam Jenkins, Steve Magness and others who say they saw it happen.
Let's learn something. Let's actually learn something. let's stop idealizing coaches just because they get results, ESPECIALLY when those coaches coach high school kids. That's not to say that every coach is an abuser. But asking some questions might be fair to do, and not licking out of the palm of their hand might also be a safe choice. And don't ignore things that are out of the ordinary. There's this idea extraordinary results only happen with out of the ordinary actions. But that isn't true. Look at Jenny Simpson's high school coach. A regular dude. Katelyn Tuohy's coach, a regular dude. Emma Coburn, Evan Jager, Kara Goucher--in fact do you realize that an overwhelming majority of successful pro runners came from high school teams that DIDN'T qualify for NXN or weren't nationally ranked? Central Catholic when Galen ran, was.
Rules to live by for high school coaches
Your coach shouldn't allow you to live in their home when you are a teenager.
Your coach shouldn't be calling your parents and lecturing them on what their child should be eating at home
Your coach should really have limited interactions with an athlete's family. Not no interaction but they shouldn't really be so close they are having telephone conversations every night.
I'm not religious but I don't think that your coach should be your religious sponsor. let that be a longtime family friend or relative?
Your coach shouldn't send you to doctors, even ones sponsored by Nike. Parents/Guardians should be in charge of all medical decisions.
Your coach should not be giving massages. Let a licensed professional do that.
Coaches shouldn't play favorites even with the fastest on the team. The coaches own children should not be referring to any athlete as the coaches favorite child.
Dave37 wrote:
doping apologist wrote:
I'd rather not know who the victim(s) are but the perverts on LRC already have their pants off waiting to hear the names.
We already know the name of the victim: Alberto Salazar.
Who else would you possibly consider to be the victim of this smear campaign?
YOU SHOULD CONSIDER STOP BEING A TROLL.
Yes, as a coach there could be a legitimate, situational reason to help an athlete stretch or massage out a specific cramp (as people have said). However, Salazar and his athletes worked for the largest athletic brand in the world with almost constant access to top tier sports therapists. There is still no reason for him to touch athletes in anyway that could even bring the idea of inappropriate contact,. You say lynch mob like its an old tweet that was uncovered. This ruling was the result of lengthy, investigation, legal debate, and arbitration and found he likely sexually assaulted athletes.
People here are seriously underestimating how much evidence is required to meet the preponderance of the evidence standard (think about how much Shelby brought and was unable to clear the bar). This was not a ruling based on he-said/she-said or just evidence that theyw ere at the same place at the same time. You're nitpicking small points and ignoring the greater accusation history and years of toxic culture associated with NOP.
Brojos: I doubt you'll read this, but anytime the holocaust is brought up in any context in a thread, you need seriously take a look at who you're user base is and how to enforce better moderation. The forums have become a safe haven for incels and alt-right contrarians. I don't mean this as a criticism towards you, but out of sadness of how what was once a great resource for running information and content during my formative running years is now a message board dominated by covid conspiracies and thinly veiled misogyny.
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These Pretzels wrote:
Brojos: I doubt you'll read this, but anytime the holocaust is brought up in any context in a thread, you need seriously take a look at who you're user base is and how to enforce better moderation. The forums have become a safe haven for incels and alt-right contrarians. I don't mean this as a criticism towards you, but out of sadness of how what was once a great resource for running information and content during my formative running years is now a message board dominated by covid conspiracies and thinly veiled misogyny.
Appealing to their sense of moral righteousness has been tried. They love to hit back with the idea of they don't want to limit freedom of speech, while limiting the views they don't like. Their right I suppose, but the idea of "freedom of speech" is a false one if speech is indeed being limited.
This really boils down to clicks and money. They allow what they allow because it gets them the clicks needed to keep this website afloat.
It common for men to like men and boys.
These Pretzels wrote:
This was not a ruling based on he-said/she-said or just evidence that theyw ere at the same place at the same time.
As far as we know, he said/she said is exactly what this ruling hinged on.
Only those directly involved in the case have any idea what evidence was presented. That, and the fact that the case was decided by a single arbitrator, is obviously not justice.
Very true. A few people have suggested the site isn't doing well financially considering the type of ads they have ("hot singles near you!") and their creation of a membership program. Not to mention their mutilated understanding of freedom of speech on a private message board.
What LR says the NY Times story said:
"After today’s NY Times story, we now know that Salazar was accused of multiple instances of penetrating a runner . . ."
What the NY Times story actually said:
"SafeSport ruled Salazar permanently ineligible in July 2021, finding that he had committed four violations, which included two instances of penetrating a runner with a finger . . ."
Why deliberately use the longer word "multiple" when "two" is more specific and therefore more accurate?
"Multiple instances" could mean 10,000 ; "two instances" means two.