This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
uhhhh.. wrote:
The Lily Hammer wrote:
Why are the "documents" in the links only excerpted, unaccredited, with portions blurred out? What is the context?
If there was any legitimacy, release the full documents and subject them to scrutiny.
It looks like some amateurish effort to spread misinformation.
It's called a search engine. Use it.
Should I Google "WTF is nebraska2020 talking about?"
nebraska2020 wrote:
TLDR: Covid developed by Fauci in Wuhan when rejected by DARPA due to safety concerns, DARPA documents reporting the curative of Ivermectin and poor performance of mRNA covered up
Here is the accompanying text from the Project Veritas link (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zgoENmeddA) :
[WASHINGTON, D.C. – Jan. 10, 2022] Project Veritas has obtained startling never-before-seen documents regarding the origins of COVID-19, gain of function research, vaccines, potential treatments which have been suppressed, and the government’s effort to conceal all of this.
The documents in question stem from a report at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, better known as DARPA, which were hidden in a top secret shared drive.
DARPA is an agency under the U.S. Department of Defense in charge of facilitating research in technology with potential military applications.
Project Veritas has obtained a separate report to the Inspector General of the Department of Defense written by U.S. Marine Corp Major, Joseph Murphy, a former DARPA Fellow.
The report states that EcoHealth Alliance approached DARPA in March 2018, seeking funding to conduct gain of function research of bat borne coronaviruses. The proposal, named Project Defuse, was rejected by DARPA over safety concerns and the notion that it violates the basis gain of function research moratorium.
According to the documents, NIAID, under the direction of Dr. Fauci, went ahead with the research in Wuhan, China and at several sites across the U.S.
Dr. Fauci has repeatedly maintained, under oath, that the NIH and NAIAD have not been involved in gain of function research with the EcoHealth Alliance program. But according to the documents obtained by Project Veritas which outline why EcoHealth Alliance’s proposal was rejected, DARPA certainly classified the research as gain of function.
“The proposal does not mention or assess potential risks of Gain of Function (GoF) research,” a direct quote from the DARPA rejection letter.
Major Murphy’s report goes on to detail great concern over the COVID-19 gain of function program, the concealment of documents, the suppression of potential curatives, like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, and the mRNA vaccines.
Project Veritas reached out to DARPA for comment regarding the hidden documents and spoke with the Chief of Communications, Jared Adams, who said, “It doesn’t sound normal to me,” when asked about the way the documents were shrouded in secrecy. “If something resides in a classified setting, then it should be appropriately marked,” Adams said. “I’m not at all familiar with unmarked documents that reside in a classified space, no.”
In a video breaking this story published on Monday night, Project Veritas CEO, James O’Keefe, asked a foundational question to DARPA:
“Who at DARPA made the decision to bury the original report? They could have raised red flags to the Pentagon, the White House, or Congress, which may have prevented this entire pandemic that has led to the deaths of 5.4 million people worldwide and caused much pain and suffering to many millions more.”
Dr. Anthony Fauci has not yet responded to a request for comment on this story.
OK, now you've convinced me. If Project Veritas is behind this, it must be good!
The Lily Hammer wrote:
joed|rtty wrote:
Cases in LA didn’t start taking off until about Christmas, so your stat is of little value, as ICU admissions lag cases by about three weeks. You basically just picked a period where there wouldn’t be a reasonable expectation that individuals would be in the ICU. Your stat is fairly meaningless.
I didn't pick anything, I gave you a news release from LA County health officials. Who presumably know a lot more about what is going there than you or me.
Anyway, my post was in response to carmine's post about cases in the LA school system. You guys can post case numbers all you want, but what remains very consistent is that it is largely the unvaccinated that are filling up hospitals and ICUs and it is largely the unvaccinated who are dying of Covid. Which is pretty strong proof that the vaccines are working pretty well.
Thanks for another one of your predictions. Get back to us in two weeks and let's see what happens.
Actually it’s vaccinated AND unvaccinated filling up hospitals. If you actually bothered to look at when omicron started hitting hospitals, you would understand that the 12/15-12/28 timeframe does not include omicron.
https://file.lacounty.gov/SDSInter/dhs/1070348_DHSCOVID-19Dashboard.pdfThe Lily Hammer wrote:
nebraska2020 wrote:
And the DARPA documents suppressed by Fauci show that Ivermectin is curative at all stages of disease and that mRna vaccines are poor in comparison. Why would you NOT want answers to this ?
Why are the "documents" in the links only excerpted, unaccredited, with portions blurred out? What is the context?
If there was any legitimacy, release the full documents and subject them to scrutiny.
It looks like some amateurish effort to spread misinformation.
You can find the DARPA documents on the links contained in the Project Veritas page:
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/The Lily Hammer wrote:
OK, now you've convinced me. If Project Veritas is behind this, it must be good!
Typical vaxxtard. Rejects everything outside a narrow purview even when the primary source material is real.
Keep getting those injections buttercup, you're in for a rude awakening.
nebraska2020 wrote:
The Lily Hammer wrote:
Why are the "documents" in the links only excerpted, unaccredited, with portions blurred out? What is the context?
If there was any legitimacy, release the full documents and subject them to scrutiny.
It looks like some amateurish effort to spread misinformation.
You can find the DARPA documents on the links contained in the Project Veritas page:
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/
Have they been altered, or fabricated? Because, you know, PJ has a history of that kind of stuff.
uhhhh.. wrote:
The Lily Hammer wrote:
OK, now you've convinced me. If Project Veritas is behind this, it must be good!
Typical vaxxtard. Rejects everything outside a narrow purview even when the primary source material is real.
Keep getting those injections buttercup, you're in for a rude awakening.
You think that the primary source material is real?
Do you know anything about PJ's history?
The Lily Hammer wrote:
You think that the primary source material is real?
Do you know anything about PJ's history?
It's real buttercup. You're just scared, which is understandable. I'd be scared too if I'm just now realizing that the people who claimed to be helping me all along wanted me dead. Do yourself a favor. Don't get any more of those jabs.
Vaccines work well at preventing severe disease against Omicron. More data…
Hospitalization:
85% reduction when vaccinated
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1
The Lily Hammer wrote:
nebraska2020 wrote:
You can find the DARPA documents on the links contained in the Project Veritas page:
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/Have they been altered, or fabricated? Because, you know, PJ has a history of that kind of stuff.
I think this is the stuff that Senator Paul was grilling Fauci about earlier in year, but he didn't have the proof of the fact.
The stuff re Ivermectin corresponds to all of the testimonies of the doctors/ medical staff that were saying that it was curative and either left jobs, or formed that group America's Frontline Doctors to stand up for the truth, and also the testimonies of many people, including some famous sportsmen.
The reality is that first and foremost there is a real problem in that covid is out there and it would not take a great effort to simply put Ivermectin to the test - the resistance and fury towards that is inexplicable other than there is a sinister agenda behind.
If the interest were to save people and deal with the actual problem, then it would be received with hope. People are dying, everyone's lives are screwed up, and it is in (almost) everyone's interest for the truth to be uncovered if there is a genuine intervention being suppressed for a covert agenda.
2600 bro wrote:
Vaccines work well at preventing severe disease against Omicron. More data…
Hospitalization:
85% reduction when vaccinated
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1
Would be awesome if antivaxers would read and absorb this.
DanM wrote:
Fauci refused to answer Rand Paul at today's hearing. Fauci should be fired, but that will not happen.
Of course not, he's got full support of the Democrats and even some from the Republicans.
The reason why?
Simple: Big Pharma is the now biggest lobbyist in Congress outspending Big Oil & Gas by a 2-1 margin!
$$$ talks...$$$ protects. 😬
2600 bro wrote:
Vaccines work well at preventing severe disease against Omicron. More data…
Hospitalization:
85% reduction when vaccinated
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1
"VaCcInEs ArE sAfE aNd EfFeCtIvE"
another parrot
you don't even know what 'vaccinated' means.
https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/271587499_1657392284606960_3330150136284709353_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&cb=c578a115-7e291d1f&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=iX389f0zcmgAX_Z4lzT&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AT8QldC60-2eJ58i5wfgjm9u5hn10XM8MErazpyIVQFoCg&oe=61E314C5Vaccines are just another tool in the toolkit for me to stay healthy.
When I train, I do tempo runs, long runs, easy runs, intervals, speed repetitions, hills and weight lighting. I like to cover by bases.
For general health I exercise, eat decent, get sleep and keep up my healthcare including vaccines (like shingles). I also get other shots when needed like tetanus/ yearly flu.
1 day of slight fever for all kinds of benefit. I could roll the dice but why? I go with the math, I go with reason. Too many emotional people let that overwhelm logic and they think resisting is some sort of stand.
Let's really tell it like it is wrote:
DanM wrote:
Fauci refused to answer Rand Paul at today's hearing. Fauci should be fired, but that will not happen.
Of course not, he's got full support of the Democrats and even some from the Republicans.
The reason why?
Simple: Big Pharma is the now biggest lobbyist in Congress outspending Big Oil & Gas by a 2-1 margin!
$$$ talks...$$$ protects. 😬
Rand Paul: "Fire Dr. Fauci. Contribute here ->"
Paul is a hack politician who's only interest is in getting re-elected.
agip wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Vaccines work well at preventing severe disease against Omicron. More data…
Hospitalization:
85% reduction when vaccinated
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1Would be awesome if antivaxers would read and absorb this.
Here is the article.
It's a comparison of Delta and Omicron hospital stays. And concludes: During a period with mixed Delta and Omicron variant circulation, SARS-CoV-2 infections with presumed Omicron variant infection were associated with substantially reduced risk of severe clinical endpoints and shorter durations of hospital stay.
Says nothing about the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed.
Background: The Omicron (B.1.1.529) variant of SARS-CoV-2 has rapidly achieved global dissemination, accounting for most infections in the United States by December 2021. Risk of severe outcomes associated with Omicron infections, as compared to earlier SARS-CoV-2 variants, remains unclear. Methods: We analyzed clinical and epidemiologic data from cases testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection within the Kaiser Permanente Southern California healthcare system from November 30, 2021 to January 1, 2022, using S gene target failure (SGTF) as assessed by the ThermoFisher TaqPath ComboKit assay as a proxy for Omicron infection. We fit Cox proportional hazards models to compare time to any hospital admission and hospital admissions associated with new-onset respiratory symptoms, intensive care unit (ICU) admission, mechanical ventilation, and mortality among cases with Omicron and Delta (non-SGTF) variant infections. We fit parametric competing risk models to compare lengths of hospital stay among admitted cases with Omicron and Delta variant infections. Results: Our analyses included 52,297 cases with SGTF (Omicron) and 16,982 cases with non-SGTF (Delta [B.1.617.2]) infections, respectively. Hospital admissions occurred among 235 (0.5%) and 222 (1.3%) of cases with Omicron and Delta variant infections, respectively. Among cases first tested in outpatient settings, the adjusted hazard ratios for any subsequent hospital admission and symptomatic hospital admission associated with Omicron variant infection were 0.48 (0.36-0.64) and 0.47 (0.35-0.62), respectively. Rates of ICU admission and mortality after an outpatient positive test were 0.26 (0.10-0.73) and 0.09 (0.01-0.75) fold as high among cases with Omicron variant infection as compared to cases with Delta variant infection. Zero cases with Omicron variant infection received mechanical ventilation, as compared to 11 cases with Delta variant infections throughout the period of follow-up (two-sided p<0.001). Median duration of hospital stay was 3.4 (2.8-4.1) days shorter for hospitalized cases with Omicron variant infections as compared to hospitalized patients with Delta variant infections, reflecting a 69.6% (64.0-74.5%) reduction in hospital length of stay. Conclusions: During a period with mixed Delta and Omicron variant circulation, SARS-CoV-2 infections with presumed Omicron variant infection were associated with substantially reduced risk of severe clinical endpoints and shorter durations of hospital stay.
Competing Interest Statement
JAL discloses receipt of grants from Pfizer and Merck, Sharp & Dohme, and consulting fees from Pfizer, Merck, Sharp & Dohme, and VaxCyte, Inc., unrelated to this work. SYT discloses receipt of grants from Pfizer unrelated to this work. ML reports grants from CDC, grants from NIH, grants from UK NIHR, grants from Pfizer, personal fees from Merck, personal fees from Janssen, personal fees from Sanofi Pasteur, personal fees from Bristol Myers Squibb, personal fees from Peter Diamandis/Abundance Platinum, outside the submitted work; and Unpaid advice to One Day Sooner, Pfizer, Janssen, Astra-Zeneca, Covaxx (United Biomedical). VXH, MMP, and RK have no competing interests to disclose.
You vaxxers are a sad lot
I would destroy you in a
1.)a check of finances (over $1 million in the bank)
2.)comparing significant others (married to a hot doctor)
3.)a road race - sub 1:15 half, sub 2:30 marathon
4.) a track race-(sub 4:15 mile, sub 9:15 steeple, sub 15:30 sk)
5.) a fist fight
6.) a debate. - M.A, degree
The only thing sad about me is I continue to engage with your fools.
Of course the will be a soft landing, built on bias , for everyone involved in the vaccine failure, and meanwhile continued sales pitches for same. It's tribal for the establishment , the real and only seriously entitled group. The people are not even on the hierarchal scale.
New from @united CEO: “While we have about 3,000 employees who are currently positive for COVID, zero of our vaccinated employees are currently hospitalized”
-would be great if the anti-vaxxers would read and absorb this.
NachoLibre wrote:
Of course the will be a soft landing, built on bias , for everyone involved in the vaccine failure, and meanwhile continued sales pitches for same. It's tribal for the establishment , the real and only seriously entitled group. The people are not even on the hierarchal scale.
Vaccine failure? Keep deluding yourself, kid.
“Every day, there are patients dying in our hospitals who really don’t need to die,” said Gerald Maloney, chief medical officer for hospital services at Geisinger Health. “But by the time they come to the hospital, it’s too late for a vaccine, and that’s the tragedy.”
About 90% of COVID-19 patients in some of Pa.’s hardest-hit hospitals are unvaccinated
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid-hospitalizations-pa-vaccines-omicron-20220107.html