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**anyone who posts multiple links to you tube should be banned**
In case anyone has forgotten...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
I put this at the top this time because it is the subject of the rest of the post.
When this comes to pass, some of you Trumpers will disappear from here with the handle you use never to admit to it again and never to admit you were wrong about Trump. This will be the wrong thing to do.
When this comes to pass, some of you Trumpers will declare Deep State and continue to blame other politicians and liberals. This will be the wrong thing to do.
When this comes to pass, some of you Trumpers will decry victim-hood and how unfair the MSM is to conservatives and that they were out to get Trump from the moment he decided to run. This will be the wrong thing to do.
When this comes to pass, the biggest I Told You So in the history of Letsrun is coming from me to you. I will not relish in it. I will do it just one time unless challenged because I am righteous yet kind. This will be the right thing to do.
amusing how Giuliani has begun preparing the ground for when Cohen shows trump is a criminal. As he will.
lordy these 'conservatives' who will forgive trump all his crimes.
and they will forgive him.
all the MAGAs want is to own the libs. Everything else is weak sauce.
and virtually everyone in the Republican Party is a trumper now. No ideas, no principles, no ruling guide...except owning the libs.
nice work, GOP
agip wrote:
amusing how Giuliani has begun preparing the ground for when Cohen shows trump is a criminal. As he will.
lordy these 'conservatives' who will forgive trump all his crimes.
and they will forgive him.
all the MAGAs want is to own the libs. Everything else is weak sauce.
and virtually everyone in the Republican Party is a trumper now. No ideas, no principles, no ruling guide...except owning the libs.
nice work, GOP
Cohen's singing will be very bad for Trump. He's showing him he's coming at him just by hiring Lanny Davis. Cohen is saying nice things about the FBI and Mueller. Ha! Won't help him much, but it's a signal he's willing to work with them...and he will if he hasn't started already.
Davis has already questioned the "truth" as Trump and Giuliani see it.
Insanity that Trumpers believe this will all blow over and that there's nothing here.
I'll admit I haven't been on this thread.
I'm curious as to how Trump supporters would respond to the following:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1016548011155918848?s=20
I know! I know! Call on me!
They say no crimes took place after such and such date and none of them had anything to do with President Trump anyway.
rojo wrote:
I'll admit I haven't been on this thread.
I'm curious as to how Trump supporters would respond to the following:
https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1016548011155918848?s=20
OK. My response is this:
1. None of those pleas have anything to do with Trump or Russian collusion.
2. If Trump is "so obviously guilty", then what is he guilty of and why hasn't he been charged with a crime? Why would they wait while he continues making America great again and building his resume for re-election? Hmmmm? That's not smart.
3. If all of Obama's or Hillary's administration officials had been investigated with perjury traps and lawyer office raids, then how many of those would have been found guilty of something? How many of those would have lied about something?
What's happening here is that a corrupt FBI is trying to overthrow the results of the election by manufacturing an atmosphere of scandal and implied guilt around Trump. We are witnessing a soft coup. No sane person in this country should hope that it succeeds.
2b. Or if Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis, then waiting to charge him risks a genocide. Isn't Mueller's inaction helping the inevitable crimes against humanity come to pass? The decent thing to do would be to charge him immediately to avoid the next holocaust, but it aint happenin is it?
Gary, will you pledge here and now to abandon support for Trump and support impeachment and eventual prosecution if he is shown to be a serial tax evader and/or money launderer?
DiscoGary wrote:
1. None of those pleas have anything to do with Trump or Russian collusion.
So, Trump's campaign manager had nothing to do with Trump's campaign? How did that work? A pattern of free money flowing to very important campaign officials from Russian sources means nothing?
DiscoGary wrote:
2. If Trump is "so obviously guilty", then what is he guilty of and why hasn't he been charged with a crime?
By your logic, Clinton's impeachment and Whitewater controversies meant Clinton was not guilty.
You of all people should be quite happy with an investigation. He's going to be innocent according to you.
Again, no crimes prosecuted is a likely scenario as the office of President has sweeping powers.
A major part of concluding the investigation is having Trump's testimony.
Trump publicly announced that he wanted to interview in January.
It's July and no interview.
A conspiracy charge is very difficult and shouldn't made willy nilly at this level.
A money laundering charge may be likely.
Can't get him on perjury if he won't interview.
There are a lot of moving parts and they have to be put together carefully.
And really it's up to Congress to charge him with a crime.
It depends on their level of ethics.
DiscoGary wrote:
2b. Or if Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis, then waiting to charge him risks a genocide. Isn't Mueller's inaction helping the inevitable crimes against humanity come to pass? The decent thing to do would be to charge him immediately to avoid the next holocaust, but it aint happenin is it?
We are a nation of laws. In order to adhere to those laws, lengthy, elaborate procedures must be followed. Those take time.
Again, any investigation should be no problem for you. Trump is completely innocent, right?
agip wrote:
Gary, will you pledge here and now to abandon support for Trump and support impeachment and eventual prosecution if he is shown to be a serial tax evader and/or money launderer?
No. Because I will not be able to know if he is guilty.
We now know the FBI is corrupt to the core and will lie to take down Trump. We know the IRS is more corrupt than the FBI after the Tea Party scandal, so we can't trust them. We know that the FISA process has been tainted, and that many others in government have been working to overthrow Trump. He has been repeatedly accused of crimes without evidence and found guilty in the court of Liberal public opinion. The problem is ... who has the credibility left to charge Trump with a crime? How can I believe anyone in government who makes the accusations? You will believe them, but why should I?
This is the problem with burning the credibility of government institutions to further your political agenda. Once the credibility is burned, that government institution no longer has the respect or trust of the people and can no longer function as it was originally intended. This witch hunt will have long lasting consequences after Trump is gone.
L L wrote:
A major part of concluding the investigation is having Trump's testimony.
...
Nonsense. If they think they have evidence that you committed a murder, they won't wait for an interview before charging you.
DiscoGary wrote:
agip wrote:
Gary, will you pledge here and now to abandon support for Trump and support impeachment and eventual prosecution if he is shown to be a serial tax evader and/or money launderer?
No. Because I will not be able to know if he is guilty.
We now know the FBI is corrupt to the core and will lie to take down Trump. We know the IRS is more corrupt than the FBI after the Tea Party scandal, so we can't trust them. We know that the FISA process has been tainted, and that many others in government have been working to overthrow Trump. He has been repeatedly accused of crimes without evidence and found guilty in the court of Liberal public opinion. The problem is ... who has the credibility left to charge Trump with a crime? How can I believe anyone in government who makes the accusations? You will believe them, but why should I?
This is the problem with burning the credibility of government institutions to further your political agenda. Once the credibility is burned, that government institution no longer has the respect or trust of the people and can no longer function as it was originally intended. This witch hunt will have long lasting consequences after Trump is gone.
I guess if you're a fantastico Fox News watcher this would be so.
For the rest of us, you remain a complete boob.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
2b. Or if Trump is Hitler and his followers are Nazis, then waiting to charge him risks a genocide. Isn't Mueller's inaction helping the inevitable crimes against humanity come to pass? The decent thing to do would be to charge him immediately to avoid the next holocaust, but it aint happenin is it?
We are a nation of laws. In order to adhere to those laws, lengthy, elaborate procedures must be followed. Those take time.
Again, any investigation should be no problem for you. Trump is completely innocent, right?
HAH! They have violated damn near every law and procedure in their effort to get Trump, and they are on record trying to hurry it up before election day. They planted spies in Trump's campaign and they STILL didn't find any crimes. The FBI has been shown to be rotten to the core. Mueller's investigation is a scam. They are dragging this out to keep the scandal hot through the midterm elections in an effort to weaken Republicans. This is NOT a legal proceeding. It is a political persecution, a soft coup, a serious corruption of the government working directly against the will of the people. Very dangerous stuff. Obama's team gambled that they could bring down Trump before the election, or at least get enough "insurance" to take him out immediately if he got elected ... and they failed on both. This is easily a top 5 scandal in the history of the US.
The Fokus wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
No. Because I will not be able to know if he is guilty.
We now know the FBI is corrupt to the core and will lie to take down Trump. We know the IRS is more corrupt than the FBI after the Tea Party scandal, so we can't trust them. We know that the FISA process has been tainted, and that many others in government have been working to overthrow Trump. He has been repeatedly accused of crimes without evidence and found guilty in the court of Liberal public opinion. The problem is ... who has the credibility left to charge Trump with a crime? How can I believe anyone in government who makes the accusations? You will believe them, but why should I?
This is the problem with burning the credibility of government institutions to further your political agenda. Once the credibility is burned, that government institution no longer has the respect or trust of the people and can no longer function as it was originally intended. This witch hunt will have long lasting consequences after Trump is gone.
I guess if you're a fantastico Fox News watcher this would be so.
For the rest of us, you remain a complete boob.
Who should I trust?
DiscoGary wrote:
HAH! They have violated damn near every law and procedure in their effort to get Trump, and they are on record trying to hurry it up before election day. They planted spies in Trump's campaign and they STILL didn't find any crimes. The FBI has been shown to be rotten to the core. Mueller's investigation is a scam. They are dragging this out to keep the scandal hot through the midterm elections in an effort to weaken Republicans. This is NOT a legal proceeding. It is a political persecution, a soft coup, a serious corruption of the government working directly against the will of the people. Very dangerous stuff. Obama's team gambled that they could bring down Trump before the election, or at least get enough "insurance" to take him out immediately if he got elected ... and they failed on both. This is easily a top 5 scandal in the history of the US.
What the hell are you going on about, Gary? You sound completely off your rocker. Why don't you leave a nice source after every claim you make?
It's funny to see you in other threads trying to be a subject matter expert and being called out (rightfully, so!) as a troll. It tickles me. And here you are still being a Trump cheerleader. A mis-director. An agent provocateur.
for the record, this is one of those times we know gary is trolling.
he knows that virtually nothing of what he said is true.
Maybe I'll save that post of his and repost it now and then to make sure we know he is trolling half the time.
